2012-09-19, 05:31 | Link #21 |
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Maybe Madara programmed the rinnegan to automatically rez him once Nagato had become powerful enough. If Itachi can put Shisui's eye into a crow, then stuff the crow into Naruto and program it to cast kotoamatsukami when Naruto's eyes make contact with Itachi's MS, then Madara can probably do a bit more.
Still, the plot is just unnecessarily convoluted. Madara already had Hashirama's dna in him. He should have been able to live an unnaturally long life without sucking chakra off the mazou. Even a normal person can live up to 100. Instead of giving his rinnegan away, he could've used rinne tensei to bring back Izuna. Even better, he could've used edo tensei to rez him. An immortal indestructible Izuna would've been perfect to carry out his plan; the only other character who was on par with Madara, other than Hashirama. Madara and Izuna together would've been unstoppable. |
2012-09-19, 07:00 | Link #23 |
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hmmm... not a bad chapter except for the fact that obito really was/is pathetic.
this chapter pretty much confirms the earlier theories about madara dying much much later and that he was somehow kept alive by the zetsu cells he got from hashirama. not much was revealed in this chapter so i'm holding out until kishi gives us the full story.
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2012-09-19, 08:28 | Link #26 |
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While Madara looks kinda cool chapter didnt impress me much. I feel the attempt at humor was as displaced in this chapter here as it was carried out badly with Obito resembling Naruto's "eh WTF" face - apart from that how this all is supposed to fit together still confuses me though I'll be willing to give that another 2 chaps or so. I do hope though this doesn't take too long.
Oh and Obito just so happens to fall into Madara's secret tunnels when the rocks fell ?!?! - oh b**** please, u kiddin? I'd have much prefered Madara was scouting Obito from early on as he suspected the kid had a special sharingan. Not so sure I like this "sudden coincidence karma of two uchiha fucked over by fate meeting in some underground rathole to plot revenge on the world" angle.... (though maybe that is just Madara giving things a spin to win over Obito, we shall see...)
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2012-09-19, 09:06 | Link #29 |
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Madara is turning to be a better hero than Naruto... Madara says --- look at reality, the world won't go the way you want it to, in this world there is light, there are shadows... as long as the concept of "winner" exist there will continue to be a "loser"... the selfish desire of wanting to preserve peace causes wars... hatred is born out of desire to protect loved ones... because you were hurt, other were saved --- i wonder what counter reason will Naruto throw at that lol he cant be a politician type of Hokage and say i will give everybody sufficient resources (food/shelter/etc) to eradicate criminal thinking
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2012-09-19, 09:20 | Link #30 | |
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Obito's problem isn't that Madara's more persuasive or that his arguments are better. No, Obito's problem is that he lost hope (undoubtedly spurred by the death of Rin). |
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the counter to the moons eye plan has always been free will. is the absence of hate good if it also means the absence of love and choice? not really. thats more like 1984 with big brother in control of every aspect of our lives in order to "keep peace" |
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free-will old concept but ye thats more of a possible counter to the moon eye plan that oppress free will |
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2012-09-19, 09:38 | Link #33 | |
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There's no need to bring religion into the discussion. Naruto isn't a messiah (even if he is a "chosen one"), he isn't even a "man with a plan". Naruto's ability seems to only inspire people to better themselves, consequently he is offering no false hope, or even faith, just a consummate belief that a better self can be strong enough to create a better tomorrow. That could undoubtedly fail, but if he can inspire enough then future generations will continue along these ideals and help to keep the progress going forward even if wars still exist and people still hurt one another (and honestly, that's all any leader can hope for). |
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2012-09-19, 10:11 | Link #37 |
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I can't help but sympathize with Obito.. The new few chapters will probably be a giant mindf*ck for him and we'll watch his relentless spirit get utterly crushed and jaded..
And it's shocking how much more powerful than Kakkashi he becomes.. Damn you Uchiha clan and your h4x |
2012-09-19, 10:20 | Link #38 |
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I don't really like how Obito got to where he is. Madara's secret lair just happened to be under that battle ground? There's gotta be more to it, Madara must have saved him, but how? He's old and can't detach from that thing. His powers must be low.
I also want to know where they are. Madara didn't really explain that. This chapter 90% revealed that Madara gave Nagato the rinnegan not Tobi, but why would Tobi say he gave Nagato the rinnegan? There was no reason for him to lie to Konan since he was about to kill her anyway. There must be part of Madara inside Obito. Now i want to know where he got his left sharingan and why not the right one too. Why would he only take 1 eye and not both. |
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Did anyone else notice on Page 15 the Zetsu figure hanging from the Mazo? no left arm but had a right arm with the spiral face which also looks to be adult sized, pretty good foreshadowing there. Awesome chapter yet again.
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