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2009-04-13, 00:08 | Link #462 | |
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About Urahara not been straighforward about his connections, I was under the impression that before finding out what really happened in the Turn Back the Pendulum chapters, the official line about Urahara's exile was because he made an untraceable gigai. Am I getting my facts mixed up? If I'm right then it shows how much Soul Society tries to cover up the fact that Urahara was "performing Hollowfication experiments". Scandal galore with a captain experimenting on other captains. I'm pretty sure that the untraceable gigai was the official line for Urahara, because if it wasn't why would Isshin freely talk about the Vizard to the guy that supposedly did experiments on his fellow shinigami? It doesn't really add up. Actually now I'm confused as to how Soul Society views the Vizard. Hollowfication experiments or criminal shinigami? Urahara has never been one to freely give information either. Since Isshin doesn't know about Urahara's role there, Urahara isn't going to tell him, at least not yet, especially since it's such a traumatic and secretive experience for so many. |
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2009-04-14, 15:18 | Link #466 | |
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Iceringer was just barely strong enough to inconvenience Ishida. Rukia also effortlessly beat DRoy who was also seen talking down to Grand Fisher. But yeah, since Chad did beat down a 3rd seat pretty easily in SS and he was almost taken out by DRoy, I'll admit that GF was maybe seated-officer level...as an arrancar. ..But tying back in, Isshin beating GF with minimal effort should've been something any captain-level could do (though the limit could up the challenge). I'd say most VC's too. There has been a slow power creep in the story and opponents originally stated to be at VC and seated-officer level don't exactly live up to that anymore. Isshin will have to do something much more impressive than beating Grand Fisher before we can say he has strength that surpasses a captain's.
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Kon which again places him above the vc mark on the power scale.
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2009-04-14, 15:53 | Link #468 |
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For the (hopefully) last time, power levels in bleach are 100% messed up, if spirit force was measured, you'd see that Ichigo's current power is niggabytes higher than the first time he saw Byakuya in the human world! When menos first appeared they were like, the ultimate threat and their ceros would pulverize everything down to the molecular level. A few arcs later Kenpachi and Ukitake can deflect them like freakin balloons, and let's not forget the hundreds of menos that Renji 1HKO'd in shikai around menos forest, when supposedly he should be having a rough time against just one of them.
GF is a pseudo-arrancar, used to tell us that there's a power gap between normal menos and arrancars, and also served as the introductory villain for Isshin. D-roy was a failed experiment if I remember well, and...well,Chad's just a human, Rukia is a VC-level shinigami, she's bound to be stronger. |
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While I would admit that this may be the case, you have to remember that the captains and VCs and everyone else have been gaining in power just as Ichigo has. The world doesn't just revolve around Ichigo getting more skilled. If this was the case, then Ichigo probaly could've kicked the crap out of Byakuya when they fought in SS. You have to remember that things arent't as boring in SS anymore as it was before Ichigo came about. At the beginning, sure a menos could've whipped them, but since then the power gap was ever closing and the captains just overpassed them. The menos would still make one heck of a fight for VCs and everyone else. When Isshin apeared though, you also have to remember this was way before Hueco Mundo was invaded. When Grimmjow and those Arrancar invaded Karakura town, I believe if I remember well that they were royally kicking everyones butt, including Hitsuguya's and Ichigo's. That was around the time Isshin beat GF. Now if Hitsuguya was having diffuculties with the real deal Arrancar(I forget if he got his seal releashed) and Isshin had no trouble with GF, then either the power gap between GF and the other Arrancar is huge(by the way, GF never really got the chance to attack and get into a real fight remember), or Isshin was above Captain level at the time.
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Really the whole root of Bleach's inconsistency is that they want to show Ichigo's personal growth, but they also don't want the captains to become irrelevant. So they introduced a group of new enemies who are much stronger than Ichigo's current level (established to be captain-level SS arc), so he has to unlock new power in order fight them, but at the same time, the captains are expected to be able to fight these enemies too, but instead of getting power-ups like Ichigo they just kind of get retconned in to being strong enough to fight the current threat. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see the captains able to fight evenly with the Vastro Lordes and the Vizards. And there's the whole question of what is meant by above 'captain-level' in the first place. To say that Isshin is stronger than Hitsugaya, Byakuya or Yamamoto are very different things. If you conclude his strength surpasses that of any captain because he beat Grand Fisher easily, that's a huge stretch. Judging Isshin's performance by how he deals with enemies you think Hitsu would have a hard time against isn't really a measuring stick for other captains.
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2009-04-19, 04:36 | Link #477 |
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I haven't heard this one before, it could be possible...but Isshin had his powers sealed in the amulet which he ended up holding and eventually giving to Ichigo, so whoever sealed his powers did it on his command.
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2009-04-20, 11:33 | Link #479 |
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where does it say that ishin's powers were sealed in the amulet/charm thing?
all i understood was that ishin got the charm thing to protect kon when he was in ichigo's body, it never said that it had all of ishin's powers in it
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2009-04-20, 15:54 | Link #480 |
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The charm activated the second Ichigo's body was in immediate danger of dying, and Isshin said it's been 20 years since he turned Shinigami. There were other occasions where he could have transformed, like when Yuzu and karin were at the graveyard, but he didn't-thus we assume his powers were released through Masaki's amulet.
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