2012-05-10, 13:21 | Link #42 |
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pretty good chapter, thank god we finally got back to the fight. i dont know if itachi is out of this fight for good now( i doubt it) but i saw this coming a mile away as far as sasuke being the one to fight and take down kabuto. think about it, most of the fight has been itachi imparting life lessons to sasuke, most likely to get him where kish wants him. i have no doubt sasuke will get the big fight with kabuto. although the sasuke haters dont want to hear this... guess what itachi is not the first or second main character of this manga. naruto and sasuke are, and if there is to be forgiveness for sasuke. well taking out kabuto and ending edo tensei is how its gonna most likely happen. dont misunderstand me i like itachi but i know at the end of the day sasuke is going to have to surpass him. i know the haters dont like that but its gonna happen.
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2012-05-10, 13:52 | Link #43 | |
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If Kabuto's snake eye makes him immune to genjutsu then he is immune to it. I don't see what's there to argue about this, it has been clearly shown by the manga. At least now that we know how insanely strong Kabuto has become it is not a plot hole any more that Tobi didn't try to kill him and more importantly that he was hiding EMS-Sasuke from Kabuto while back at the kage summit he didn't really care about the risk of Sasuke fighting 5 kage at the same time. Sure there is the risk because Kabuto has all those Edo Tensei, but if himself were weak then someone who can teleport himself and even Sasuke could easily bypass the zombies defending Kabuto and attack him directly. On the other hand Kabuto escaping from the Turtle-island seems more like a plot hole, because he could have summoned there a dozen edo-tensei and then himself go into sage mode and easily capture the 8 and 9 tails. Kabuto escaping from that island was one reason why i couldn't believe that he became so strong. |
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2012-05-10, 19:09 | Link #47 | |
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To be immune to something is an absolute, to be able to dodge or avoid something is not. Kabuto, or the Raikage in your previous example, weren't immune to their attacks, they can avoid their effects only in a particular set of circumstances. If those parameters change then all bets are off and they become just as susceptible as anyone else precisely because they aren't immune to the attacks in question. The Raikage's speed allowed him to bypass Sasuke's gaze which allowed him to dodge Amaterasu, but since he was however not immune to those flames, Sasuke's Kagutsuchi made in turn this vaunted speed meaningless. Similarly Kabuto's eyes cap + Sage-sensing ability allow him to bypass eye contact which allow him to avoid sight-Genjutsu but since he's not immune to Genjutsu he's still susceptible to fall prey to mind control if the Uchiha brothers pull the rug out from under him. Quote:
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My point is not about some hypothetical scenario it's about the definition of the word. If you allow me this analogy, you very well may have a condom which will offer you some protection but it will not make you immune to AIDS in any case. Quote:
For all of Kabuto's impressive display of power, it is completely inconsequential compared to his Edo-Tensei army. What made Tobi change his mind wasn't Kabuto's "personal" strength -whether he knew its depth or not-, it was the his Edo-Tensei collection. Quote:
To capture the 2 Jinchuuriki before the war started meant no gain for him and the immediate wrath of both Tobi and the Alliance who would have sent their entire forces against him. Right now the Zetsus, Alliance and Edos are about done with the notable exception of Madara. Without Itachi's unforeseeable brainwash Kabuto would have taken the 2 Jinchuuriki unbeknownst to Tobi (or so Kabuto thought since he doesn't know about the Zetsu spores hidden inside him (or does he?)) before he lost his strongest cards. Even then he still has Edo-Madara who can -litteraly- level the playing field on his own whereas his opponents have exhausted nearly all their resources. |
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"now we know that Kabuto is so strong that he can easly stand against all known MS jutsu including any already known genjutsu" ""working his way around them" is practically the same as being immune to those." So first thing is: based on this fight (and we can have no other facts than this fight) the ones who had difficulty are the Uchiha brothers and not Kabuto. In a 1on1 fight both of them would have already lost. They keep saving each other. The other thing: i didn't say immune, i compared this to imunity, using the word "practically" which here means this battle and not any other situation which one my think of. Quote:
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So did Kabuto, most of his impressive zombie army is gone. Considering their performance in this war and that a zombie army can be hidden perfectly (by unsummoning them) and doesn't require any repairing or maintenance, compared to the Zetsu-army that Madara lost, i think Kabuto's loss is greater than Madara's. |
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Your original claim was that Kabuto had become so powerful that he could stand against all MS jutsu and that he was practically immune to them and you then came with the particulary ill chosen example of the 4th Raikage being immune to Amaterasu. That is blatantly false, Kabuto doesn't have the strength to survive a hit from the sword of Totsuka nor can his body shrug off a Kagutsuchi sword to name two. Itachi and Sasuke are completely on the defensive waiting for Izanami to be ready not because their attacks wouldn't work on Kabuto but because landing a killing blow on him goes against their purpose for being here. What make Kabuto safe from most of their offensive power isn't his own strength, it's the fact they don't want to kill him. Quote:
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Looking at this fight so far we see that Kabuto just needs to hit with his moves before Sasuke and Itachi can hit with their MS, the best defense is offense. Quote:
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He couldn't just teleport, he didn't know the exact location, Kabuto found the location using his snakes and who knows what else to sense where it is. So there was enough time for Oonoki to arrive, and if the plot went that way then of course the kages would have also teleported there to protect Naruto. Quote:
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2012-05-12, 13:24 | Link #55 | |
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But anyway, looking at the chapter again showed Kabuto's snakes had replaced Tayuya's chains. So it was clearly Kabuto's work and spin on the jutsu. But there was still a huge outcry from Itachi fans on other forums on how he could get caught in such a genjustu. |
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2012-05-12, 17:35 | Link #56 | |
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So he is immune as long as he doesn't die from it? Good thing his head didn't catch on fire.
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2012-05-12, 19:01 | Link #57 | |||
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Afterall Kurenai also caught Itachi in a Genjutsu, it's just that he simply threw it back within seconds. Quote:
But again I'm surprised you thought the feat could be laid at Tayuya's feet. It's not like Kabuto summoned an Edo-Tensei or something equivalent. The Sound-5 and Oro weren't "alive" or even undead in any meaningfull sense in this chapter. What Kabuto did is use Sakon's former Kekkei Genkai to select particular strand of his overcrowded DNA to grow body parts that were essentally simili-clones of people he has assimilated but in the end it's still Kabuto's body, chakra and strength. |
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2012-05-13, 15:25 | Link #58 | |
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and yea, it's all kabuto on these techniques. I feel like kabuto is stronger than itachi and sasuke individually at this point. i know they are at a disadvantage since they are trying not to kill him, but still for kabuto to have this extensive of a technique array is very impressive. even though he obviously doesn't have every technique in the ninja world like was orochimaru's dream, he does have the capability to have all of them given his dna integration ability also on a totally different topic, does anyone else feel like we're going to see some big time unsealings soon? one would be orochimaru although the time for that may have passed due to izanami taking effect soon. but the other would be from the death reaper. In these mangas the worst usually happens before things get better, so that means the juubi will most likely be created. so tobi most likely needs the 1/2 kyuubi that is sealed there since he needed the portion from the lightning brothers as well. also, I highly doubt kishi would allow all 4 previous hokages to wallow in torture and misery for an eternity. and having their souls freed would be a very momentous event to pass up for him |
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2012-05-13, 18:55 | Link #59 | |
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In the recent anime episode we saw some Gaara-fangirls in the alliance army. According to the manga the majority of them should be dead now, and if Madara and the others continue this then even more will die. I wonder if there will be some mass resurrection of this army, there should be at least 50,000 dead ninja by now, among them the young Gaara-fangirls, so maybe Kishimoto doesn't want this manga to end in a bloody massacre where most of the ninja are dead
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I wonder if Itachi's totsuka sword could kill the death god For example the story could say that the totsuka sword was once the sword of a legendary death god and then he gave it to a human, so that is the only weapon that can hit a death god. The use of that sword would also make it possible that the hero summons the death god but doesn't die, because the death god is killed. For example Tobi wants the kyuubi's chakra from the death god, and since he now knows Edo-Tensei he first attacks someone who possibly can summon the death god (Kakashi or Tsunade, or even future Sasuke) and then he forces them in a battle to summon it (for example by taking Naruto, forcing a sacrifice to save Naruto) , then Tobi summons Edo-Itachi but lets him act freely, Itachi in such a desperate situation decides to use the totsuka sword to kill the death god and that's when Tobi captures the death god's contents. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2012-05-13 at 19:12. |
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2012-05-13, 22:24 | Link #60 |
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Is Yamato dead? Why isnt kabuto using his wood technique since yamato was captured, I mean yamato has the first hokages DNA it would be a waste if he didn't use it.
Also sasuke has the eternal mangekyo have he used it? I mean thats the strongest sharinggan you could achieve how is kabuto's genjutsu stronger than his.
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