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Of course, it did have some decent Natural characters, specifically Edmund and his tank copilot (forget his name) and the other Soldiers who were helping out in the flooded city.
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2008-01-15, 16:50 | Link #162 | |
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2008-01-15, 19:48 | Link #163 |
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well stargazer was a different side in GSD era time telling a different story (even with cameo of GS series characters) it also show events after junius seven drop from Sven Cal Bayan & his past to the stargazer gundam.
& besides there are other GS project like that also there is astray shorts & mini GS (still laughing on all those eps) also ya EA's EVIL thing well it's just lead to total RACISM massacre especially cause of blue cosmos, altantic federation, & LOGOS killing spree to kill anyone both coords & nats (if ya saw back in 31 of GSD) cause of Djibril. & yet it seems that gil was being behind everything as the puppet master.
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2008-01-15, 20:54 | Link #164 |
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Another one of Destiny's problems was the unfair treatment they gave to the Naturals. I mean, shouldn't there be a Natural, i mean NATURAL(Not Newtype, nor Druggie) that could excel in Piloting??? SEED and Destiny Never did that... There should have been a Natural who can at least do damage!?
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2008-01-15, 23:37 | Link #166 |
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It's all a question of Naturals being totally pushed aside in this parade of power Destiny was.
As for political aspects, the extremists needed to deal with two kinds of people in order to reach their power: people of the same Blue Cosmos beliefs or ignorant/weak fools (the latter group was, unfortunately, joined by Cagalli thanks to Destiny). "Jaka nacja, taki przywódca", as Polish people say. "The leader reflects the nation he leads". And about Stargazer... well... you like Destiny more than Code Geass, so I can see that we totally differ in our tastes. Unless you consider SEED (not Destiny) to be the best Gundam series so far (I'm not counting 00 as it is still airing and did not even reach half the season :P |
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On the other note, I think that Cagalli turned out quite well by the end of Destiny. She certainly showed the potential to be a very good leader (and probably much better than Uzumi). Quote:
1. Victory 2. Turn A 3. Seed 4. Seed Destiny I don't like Gundam 00, so I've decided to refrain from commenting on it in the episode threads. Or at least I'll do so until either it improves significantly, or it does something to really tick me off. I'm not really a Gundam fan, so it shouldn't be surprising that our tastes differ.
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I consider the opinions of the CE fanatics who haven't actually seen any UC to be worthless when the subject matter is about UC. I suspect those unruly fanboys you encountered in your store is of that variety. Quote:
I get the biased viewpoint towards Kira but c'mon the kid is a bit emotionally fragile but so what? I liked Rau also because of his sinister qualities i.e. he was a very good bad guy. Quote:
In the case of Patrick Zala it's the same thing really. You found out relatively early that he is certainly very millitant. In fact too militant for someone occupying the leader role of a civilian government. |
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2008-01-16, 01:14 | Link #171 | |
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2008-01-16, 01:22 | Link #172 | |
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Overall i found the lack of balance in pilot qualities for all factions to be a downfall in SEED and Destiny IMO. I always preferd if the protagonist had an equal and even times rival him in a consistant manner more interesting than a one sided showdown, But im in mid 20's after watching alot of shows that the good guys always wins and at most time effortlessly in my younger years, it does get a bit old and dosnt appeal to me anymore. Its one of my major reasons y im enjoying 00 much more, that the superpowers have elites and elite teams that can become a nuisance to the protagonists. But this is only my interests and my opinion. Each individual has their owns tastes, unfortunatly CE as a whole didnt deliver what i would wish to see. |
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2008-01-16, 01:24 | Link #173 | |
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Second lets just say that if one of our current presidential candidates (Hilary, Huckabee, Edwards, Obama, McCain, etc) suddenly proposed something similar to Durandal's plan tomorrow i.e. something having the effect of essentially creating a massive economic/individual planning bureaucracy then his or her rating would be in the shitter faster than Shinn can destroy a windam. For the potential Libertarians in here you can read Hayek's The Road to Serfdom and then you'll realize why Durandal's plan is wacko. |
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2008-01-16, 01:30 | Link #174 |
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All I said was he had the SUPPORT of the world....The world trusted him and if he were to bring a plan to the table that like 3 BILLION PLUS PEOPLE have to agree with and THEY DO, then sobeit...Suffice it to say Dullindal had about 90% of the Universe on his side with a small island and the always neutral Scandinavia against him... Morso, we're talking about a society seemingly hundreds if not thousands of years in the future, where the evolution of civilization is at stake and with the Coordinator birth-rate issues, so I can't really look at your Huckabee argument as a true analogy since the world issues are so vastly different...
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What evolution? It's not like Gil was proposing free coordinator upgrades to all the naturals. His goal is to create a massively enslaved society with him at the top of pyramid. |
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2008-01-16, 01:39 | Link #176 | |
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Ill give you my reasons. One its very common on assisination attmepts that you either wear un-uniformed clothes (for obvious reasons) or wear a uniform of another rival/eneamy nation to fabricate false information of the true organisation or faction or nation that has sent the kill order. Its plain logic honestly... 2nd of all i bvelieve murrue overpowerd a so called Cordi assasin... we already know that cordies have fast reflex and improved strength so this makes me question the authenticity if they were actually co ordinators in the first place. Equipment... hell we already know stealling gundams is as easy as sayin ABC in CE universe. so makes me wonder if the ZAFT suites have been stolen and use to fabricate ZAFT.. it s quite possible EA may have sponsered this assasination in retaliation of Kira and lacus for loosing the first war.... So unless i get SOLID Evidence i dont believe for one second that Dully boy is behind this attack.. given my nature i know too damn well how easy for one nation to fabricate another using stollen equipments and uniform. So Clyne faction had no proof whatsoever it was Dully boy behind this, they only have speculation at this point, and speculation is not evidence and far from FACT. Last edited by winter45; 2008-01-16 at 02:01. Reason: added extra paragraph |
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I'm sorry, that's not what I got out of Dullindal's aspirations at all...Not that he didn't have a god complex (because of how he lost Talia), but to be massively enslaved you have to first accept the slavery...The Destiny Plan is not something you can make happen overnight...It's not a red button you press...This is essentially a change in historic philosophy to placate war...He went off the deep end after Team Clyne interferred and he wanted to win at all costs at that point, but prior to that he had a vision...An arrogant vission indeed, but not one that could suceed without TIME and PUBLIC OPINION...We have a fudemental difference of view on Dully...I don't see him as an evil villain hellbent on becoming God on earth (That's Sousuke Aizen)...Far from it...Unfortunatley his swift change in character based on GSD's problems may have made some feel this way... LOL OK I guess I forgot about Djbril's faction, so let's make that 80% of the Universe^^ (Assuming the federation is more than an enitity, because it's not like the citizens in their nations couldn't defect if they wanted to)...My point being he had waaaaaaay more support than opposition...
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2008-01-16, 01:55 | Link #178 | ||
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2. However they are not usually clueless when it comes to getting their points across. Gil was awefully curious about Lacus' location and repeatedly ask Athrun to report back if he becomes aware of it. It's logical to assume that Gil wasn't doing this just because he wanted to send Lacus a Christmas card. The fact that he has a puppet Lacus right next to him is pretty damning evidence. Quote:
I didn't say he was that type of person. However I do consider his philosophy to be a very dangerous one even if he doesn't realize it. That is the reason why I think he should stopped at all cost. I actually consider his type to be more dangerous than the truly outward crazy wackos. Oh yeah if you watched the episode again then you'll see that most nations were still in the process of deciding when Gil truly went off into the deep end so no conclusion can be made about the overall support for the plan. |
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It was like if Dully is a lightswitch as WD puts it.. only convenient to the plot when his uncharacter side came out. And even then im still not convinced his a bad guy. |
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