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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 9 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 34 | 28.57% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 35 | 29.41% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 37 | 31.09% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 12 | 10.08% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 0.84% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-11-26, 20:16 | Link #42 |
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We've had plenty of gloriously animated fight scenes so far, including last episode which was entirely full of fighting. I think that devoting an episode or two to characterization and back stories really isn't that big of a deal.
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2011-11-26, 20:21 | Link #43 |
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Now THAT is how you do a good, interesting episode without shoehorning a 10 minute shounen action sequence in it.
Kiritsugu reduces to Kayneth to such a hollow shell of a man that it turns the biggest a-hole in the series thus far into a pitiable wretch. His wife is in love with his servant, who only wishes to faithfully serve him to make up for the great betrayal he suffered in life. Kiritsugu shows off more of his "see the big picture" pragmatism in his "I'm going out to hunt, honey" scene with his wife, who's humanity and compassion despite being an artificial construct is single-handedly holding her team together. Waver actually does something useful and takes a harsh reality check on the nature of the war and another step towards adulthood. Rider is the epitome of manliness as usual. And finally we continue the slow burn on Kotomine's character arc as he looks like he's having second thoughts on continuing to be Tohsaka's lackey, or strike out on his own. 9/10 for the episode, deducting only a point for more ludicrous censoring in Caster's lair. Look I know this is on TV and often horror works best when things are left for the imagination to fill in the blanks, but, seriously, I'm not asking for a pile ' o bodies GORN here or anything, but a bloody sneaker and audible background vomiting? That's it? |
2011-11-26, 20:38 | Link #44 |
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A very solid episode here. I liked how it began with showing Lancer's tragic past before going into Kayneth, Sola and Lancer's current situation.
I really enjoyed the Waver and Rider part - although the heavy censoring kinda ruined the impact of the scene. Is it just me, or did Waver look manlier than usual this episode? And lastly, it seems that Kotomine's getting bored of Tokiomi as well. 9/10 for this one. (And Rin for episode 10 squeeee~) |
2011-11-26, 20:45 | Link #45 | |
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2011-11-26, 20:57 | Link #47 | |
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For the longer, by not showing how disturbing their crimes are, as well as the agony of the victims, the trivialize the crimes; and this under the most stupid excuse that showing a crime disturbs people, but committing it does not |
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2011-11-26, 20:57 | Link #48 | |
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uses of which were not understood at all; they probably were just pictures or artworks. The enthusiasm of the creator devoting himself completely into designing them diligently, and his profligate sense of fun could be perceived. Unmistakably, the craftsman who made these ceaselessly loved his raw materials, and the manufacturing process itself. They understood that there was someone who violently discovered pleasures. That might be the person who committed those murders. But the things in this blood-stained space were not corpses. There wasn't a single “destroyed remains” here. Everything was a new creation; an art. Their lives as “human beings”, their carcass as “human beings” were completely discarded meaninglessly during the process of the art―that was the entirety of the slaughter at that place. Murders which were done creatively to amuse himself; this behavior which created art by means of death, had far exceeded the maximum level Waver's mind could possibly take. Above simple emotions like horror and disgust, at such a graphically realistic and alarming shock, Waver could not even stand straight. Before he realized, he was already on the bloodstained floor on both his hands and knees, regurgitating all the contents of his stomach. Thank God they censor it ... |
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2011-11-26, 21:05 | Link #50 |
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Not really, fight scenes have been pretty good so far IMO. I think they just trying to censor the grotesque that Rider and Waver have seen and also darkness to emphasize how the Assassins fight. Could've wish they extend the fight a little longer because I want to see the Assassins in action.
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2011-11-26, 21:18 | Link #53 | |
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The Fate/Zero light novel translation is already finished. But the translation is too awkward and too literal. |
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2011-11-26, 21:57 | Link #57 | |
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I should probably check out Diarmuid's story on Wikipedia or something after this, since that flashback was just a little too vague to get a satisfying gist of what went down in his previous life. But now that people have summarised it in this thread, it becomes rather obvious that his current love triangle perfectly mirrors the one he had in life, and which cost him his life. So yeah, better stay alert there, Lancer. Bros before hos and all.
I'd already kind of felt sorry for Kayneth in the previous episode, so naturally seeing him as a veggie in this one was all the more impactful. Some viewers seem to revel in it due to seeing him as an irredeemable bastard who deserves it, but eh, he's doesn't seem to be all that bad to me. A very strict teacher and an extremely elitist magus to be sure, but not really evil or anything. And despite their union having been arranged, his feelings for Sola seem to be genuine, which makes his current predicament all the more agonising. Looks like last week's guess that he was going to be Urobuchi's favourite "pet" was right on the money. And yeah, as expected, Sola's… kind of a bitch. I'm curious as to what her own objective is, if she even has one besides boning Lancer. And speaking of Lancer, I gotta wonder what his position would be if the need for a mana transfer were to arise (no pun intended~). As stoic as his expression remained, Kiritsugu was clearly (and understandably) livid in this episode, and I loved it. How much worse can his Master and Servant relationship with Saber get? Iri already has to act out the messenger between them in order to keep the team going, and props to her for being able to handle and mediate such opposing views on morality and their priorities in the war. Kiritsugu only has finishing off Kayneth in mind, whereas Saber's all about stopping Caster ASAP. Gotta wonder if they'll ever be on the same page in any of the battles. After they sat out on the entire previous conflict, it was great to see Waver and Rider get right back into the action here. Waver's finally showing some of his talent and it was kind of endearing how all it took to change his mind about invading Caster's lair was Rider recognising said talent. That's Waver's only real wish, so one could say that, with Rider by his side, the kid's already got everything he's ever wanted from the Holy Grail. As for Rider, what's cool about him is not just his manliness and how strong he is, but also his respect and admiration towards those seemingly much weaker than him. Guys of his stature and strength can often grow to look down on the weak, but Rider instead sees those very same weaknesses as strengths in his own way. Waver was self-deprecating about using the most basic method possible to find Caster, Rider showed him how getting good results with basic methods can be more of a feat than with complex ones. Waver was self-deprecating about how he couldn't handle seeing the gruesome scenery in Caster's lair, Rider showed him how being moved to such an extent by such a display of inhumanity can be seen as proof of one's virtue. The ultimate bro indeed, coming-of-age-kid Waver really couldn't have asked for a better Servant. And yeah, the censoring was more of a shame here than ever before. Previously it was mostly just used to show the Caster team's depraved character, but here its purpose was the impact it had on Waver, and consequently the viewer. And obviously a blood smeared sneaker can only have so much impact. Not that I expected to see the novel's material fully depicted of course, but are visible corpses too much to ask? I realise that would contradict what the novel described, but they could just replace those shots with the actual human furniture for the DVD editions or something. Oh well, it was a engaging scene nonetheless and provided good character development for Waver, who was in serious need of some serious moments after having been reduced to pure comic relief for so many episodes. So, next time… Rin's Adventure? Huh, I didn't expect to see her again at all in this, but as long as it serves a purpose in the story and it's not just some fanservice for them lolicons, I'm all for it. In fact, the timing is more than a little suspicious after that last scene, where Kotomine clearly begins to see it Gilgamesh's way as regards Tokiomi's passive approach towards the war. And if you add up Kariya's return from the preview, things definitely don't look good for papa Tohsaka, and as such I'm particularly looking forward to episode 10. Quote:
Yes… that's why there are dozens of him. But people shouldn't expect the Assassin class to stand up to the remaining Servants either way. The proper use is to have them stealthily aim for the Masters. It's what they did in this episode, but unfortunately for them Rider was just too aware of his surroundings. |
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2011-11-26, 22:21 | Link #58 |
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Lancer's backstory: Pretty sad. (Though that kiss was kind of hot. o.o Sorry, just stating the obvious! )
Sola: CREEPY. NOOOOOOOO DON'T YOU DARE DO THAT. POOR LANCER AND KAYNETH. Saber, Kiritsugu, and Irisviel: ...Ya'll got issues. Specifically Kiritsugu. Waver and Iskander: AWESOME AND MANLY FTW. Caster and Creepy Master: DIE YOU SICK FREAKS! And...not really looking forward to Rin next episode. It'll just make the whole thing "eh" for me. Can't wait for more Gilgamesh time though.
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2011-11-26, 22:36 | Link #59 |
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Pretty uneventful episode, but it was a very good one for character development and the dialogue was excellent.
It was great to see some additional focus and background detail put on Lancer, as well as on Sola and Kayneth. I liked the comparisons drawn between Sola and Lancer's love from his past life. On the topic of Kayneth, I agree with Endless Twilight. Kayneth is very smug and prideful, but I don't think he's a total bad guy, or anything like that. He's a good antagonist because of his overall attitude and relatively hammy personality, but I wouldn't call him evil. Hence, I did feel some sympathy for him here. Him losing his magic ability has to be awfully devastating to him. I would imagine it's comparable to a great and proud musician losing his ability to produce music. Rider/Waver weren't quite as comedic this episode as they had been all along, but it was good to see Waver be truly useful for a change, and the overall dynamic between the two is as good as ever. Not much to say about the other scenes as they seemed perfunctory to me. One thing I'm starting to wonder about is where is Kariya during this episode and the past few? Kind of odd that the Kariya/Berserker pair is the only one to be totally absent since the first big showdown between multiple Servants a few episodes back. If anybody should be racing against the clock given his personal circumstances, I'd think it would be Kariya, but he seems to be entirely laying low the last few episodes. Still, a very good and solid watch. 8/10 for Episode 9.
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2011-11-26, 22:47 | Link #60 | |
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And especially due to how much of a toll unleashing Berserker seems to be on his body, Kariya is likely to remain a spectator as long as Tokiomi sticks to his hikkokomori tactics. Which is kind of annoying since I've been dying for some more Kariya & Zerker. Thankfully the preview for episode 10 looks pretty promising when it comes to this particular feud. |
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