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Drkz · 2013-04-30, 01:23

See flying I told you somewhere down the line eushully would mess up and you'll be able to abuse something

. So i love how they get bigger...

Flying Dagger · 2013-04-30, 03:37

Just finished playthrough 1: the end is very anticlimatic.

Basically it came down to defeating the south marshal and end credits just rolled. The south marshal's forces are really weak in my eyes as they are the same ones you have access to. I was using Aru in full tank mode, while shooting down enemies with Liselle (anti-ground troopers)+dark elf girl wielding an army of tier 3 water spirits.

I think I fucked up since I let Bell die (North marshal's madou kokakou), which caused the premature end.

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The late game OPness is in the last 2 eushully games I played as well. In a way if you fight straight up this game isn't too bad in the balance department.

Some of my favorite commanders:
Dark elf girl: Good stats with a wide AoE debuff. Can use spirit troops (ie: undines) for elemental magic attacks in archer formation (which has the longest range+covers a lot of ground)

Margaretta (queen of nation of light): 65 energy special which recovers up to 4 dead units. Decent caster stats, but is stuck to human units: so light/dark/fire attacks only. I really like her special in late game where your tanking commander is still alive but lost all troops. (regaining troops = back in formation)

Aru and Lune are just... really strong. Essentially having a levelable costume that can be further customized means a lv20 unit essentially has lv30 stats.

Liselle: her dps is varies a lot. Biggest downside with her is that all the gunner units have very high command cost. While they are ultimate-type attacks, the gunners also do not really exploit elemental weaknesses. I like to use the raw dps of the +antiground skill units, the anti-weapon ones can be handy vs slow hitting enemies.

All the siege weapons Liselle makes. The last ram with its Seige Tech V skill can tear a big hole in the wall, take down a tree, a house, and the enemy keep in a capital in 10 seconds.

Spirits: Your ultimate tank against all things physical.

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The various NPCs around your town join your army in NG+.

Darknemo2000 · 2013-04-30, 03:37

Some of the notes made on HF that could be useful while playing the game:

Spoiler for Spoiler:

And a still incomplete mosnter fusion list. Be aware that to get all monster fusion missions you need to have 8 monster cages built.

Spoiler for Fusion:

Hemisphere · 2013-04-30, 07:17

Ver. 1.01 patch just came out; heads up! 3.1MB; can be found here.

List of fixes are:
・特定条件下において意戒の山嶺などで拠点へのルートが塞がったまま復帰しない進行上の不具合を修正
　※ゲームの進行状態がルート復帰イベント発生後の場合は、
　　一度拠点を訪問してから全体マップへ戻ると正常になります
・特定条件下で捕虜状態のフェルアノが死亡したあとでも表示が残ってしまう不具合を修正
・仮面の紳士が本来加入しないタイミングで加入してしまう不具合を修正
・特定条件下でのイベント重複発生やタイミングを修正
・サッキュバス小隊の誤っていたステータス表示を正常化
・一部クエストで存在しない報酬を指定していた部分を正しい報酬に修正
・その他誤字脱字、ボイス内容の間違いについて修正

For those concerned, there you go.

Flying Dagger · 2013-04-30, 11:18

In other words just a silly spelling update.

I really like the idea of synthesis and the power that comes along with them, but unfortunately the upkeep of those monsters are insanely high.

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Lets go to school:

Spoiler:

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Those with good memory may recall me saying how the graphics of this game sucks: but that is very limited to the male characters. Females have pretty detailed designs, for example

NSFW

Warning: Not safe to view at work or school!

Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload?

The hidden patterns to lingerie, the texture to the wall in the back, etc imo are signs that the artist has put forth the effort.
Once again, whats with all those bubbles lol?

Drkz · 2013-04-30, 18:05

Caring about guys... WHY? WHY IS WRONG WITH YOU DAGGER?!

Its too make it nice and sparkly~

Needs a easier way to catch monsters....

Spoiler for Obey your loli overlords now!!:

Flying Dagger · 2013-05-01, 11:50

Well, the demo's cg are mostly guys, with only liselle's and the three musketeers' sprites making an appearance. I wish they had added that amount of detail in Weiss' armor too.

The king to the east reminds me a lot of Iskandar from Fate/Zero. Bonus point since he comes with an army of riders.

For me the game hit the right buttons in terms of character design: there have always been one or two who I really did not care about in the past to games (mud girl, emelita, serawi, eye patch girl, etc)

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(continued from PM discussion)

Well, the world map has got room for more places, they can also add a ton of extra missions.

The thing is though, what this game really need is a giant balance patch. Game is too hard at the beginning and too easy towards the end. Soukoku and Kamidori (esp Kamidori's) end game content actually offered something which resembles a challenge. Kokakou's end game content is mostly just finding the right elementals and destroying everything. The most enjoyable part of this game is not necessary the battles, but the simcity aspect of it.

I *really* like the music they have in this game though, esp the 3rd world map music ("dominance" in BGM). I really hope they can keep up with that department: ofc I hope not too many people in japan pirated the game so they don't fold. I don't know why people's reception of the game seem rather poor at first.

I think this game marks something really ambitious for Eushully: male voice actors, game with a lot of different paths and choices as freedom, RTS element, higher base resolution. I have got to say the game lives up to its hype, though falls a bit short from being a 5 stars piece of work.

Folenfant · 2013-05-01, 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drkz

Spoiler for Hello Apples why are you so ghey?:

The game is almost at BBA level. Almost.... Fap> Cringe> Fap> Headdesk> Fap> Repeat.

-Can I get paid to beat this?

I bet you Kumagawa had a hand in making this freaking game!

Spoiler for Append Disc? Spoils:

The whole psychology of Erotic RPGs is kind of bizarre though. I mean you're still playing out the traditional format of an RPG in all that entails but you also have the erotic content so you get scenarios where its like:

- Party member runs around dungeon killing monsters levelling and looting then enters boss room
- Mostly scantily clad girl walks out dialogue happens screen flashes and cut to battle
- Scantily clad chick pulls sword criticals male lead who dies gets second attack cast AOE spell with sexy cut-in party drops dead.
- Cut to scene of scantily clad boss taunting party with possible follow up sex scene. Game Over Screen.
- Player sits in stunned silence..."Did I just win or lose?

Drkz · 2013-05-01, 21:58

Wait. So you beat it in hard mode and it was too easy? Well honestly I wasn't surprised. I was pretty sure the balancing was going to be bad since they where trying to be ambitious. User feedback + patches will fix everything. Rance was the same way. A lot of people dislike having the male protag voiced. Varies from different school of thought. If they want to make it harder the easiest way to is buff the enemies stats imo. Whether or not they do that depends we'll need to see. Append disc~ Append disc~ more sauna sequences!~

Btw. I spent most of the time in Soukoku with a deck with like 11 cards. Other than the occasional boss, or annoying your not able to use your personal deck events it was pretty easy. THE POWER OF BRUTE FORCING that and Hashiera's or the eye patch girl's skill. Broken.

Flying Dagger · 2013-05-01, 23:53

Rigging hashiera requires something like late late late game iirc.

I used some card-duping accessory in late game for the easy summons. I couldn't stand Arisa's voice, Mehisha's voice grew on me over time (Mirai comes very close in second place). I remember wondering how the VA can keep the battlevoice during her scenes...

Kamidori has "good" challenges assuming you do not just rely heavily on prevail to kill everything.

There are ways to adjust the game barring a fundamental flaw with the system. (*)

First, let enemies scale better, # of territories occupied should be a good marker. Ie: you will face up to lv10 enemies when you have 10 territories, lv20 when you have 25, etc...

Hard mode enemies should start with +1 to the level cap. Getting an additional +1 every 5 levels, so +1@lv5, +2@lv10, +3@15...

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(*)
The flaw with this game is that advantages snowball heavily.
Since your army gets weaker as they get injured, their usefulness drops heavily.
In fact in early game a lot of cases your units become useless after you lose the first 2 guys: because their attack drops below enemy defense (so they do no damage) and their weakened defense stat just makes lets them die off at a even quicker rate.

This is why AoE damage spells are so potent (I like them more than self-buffs, AoE buffs and Defuffs, such as Liselle and rune elf's are good): you burst off a good chunk of an enemy's army so your superior army can snowball the advantage.

Drkz · 2013-05-02, 00:57

Prevail + Ferocity + Vorpal Counter + Strip Attack = Most broken Yuela ever. Still can't believe you don't like Serawi. I MEAN COME ON. SHE WAS MOST LEWD.

Honestly pretty much why I only poked around didn't bother to legitimately play it. When making as ambitious as this you know it'll need to get patched. Hell even Rance Quest still gets patches. As i said earlier. You'll find a way to break something. It always exist.

Hemisphere · 2013-05-02, 01:14

Hannah is lewder.
Hannah is delishuz.
Hannah needs more scenes.

Viva Hannah!

...Uhh, yeah. I like Hannah is what I'm trying to get at.

Flying Dagger · 2013-05-02, 01:37

Yeah, Hannah > Serawi.
In fact hannah as a unit is like what you would imagine Serawi to be: powerful elemental long ranged nukes, strong heals, long ranged heals, mana regen...

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I really don't like how destroying deployment towers can win you a map, I think that is the biggest abuse, and the silliest.

btw seem like there are fusions with over 100 steps... -_-

Drkz · 2013-05-02, 09:48

Oi, from the main heroines I'd perfer her the most. But its true you can get lewder heroines from the side characters. Koha or Rags! Storywise Kamidori was weak, you could easily guess what was going to happen. Not to mention Serawi's storyline was somewhat depressing. But was I the only one who enjoyed the naked ball-slamming elf? I thought it was both hilarious and ironic that it was a ball and chain.

Well once they can't deploy what else can they do?...

Wtf. 100+? By the end of that fusion it better be the strongest unit in the game.

Hemisphere · 2013-05-02, 11:34

Serawi's route was more annoying and tedious, really. SAVE THE WHALES, SAVE THE TREES, SAVE THE GRASS, SAVE THE-bleh. But that's Kamidori, and a different topic altogether.

First title that had ball-and-chain swinging was Genrin 2. The merchant, if you fucked her enough (for discounts), will join Louie - and her weapon is pretty much her ball-and-chain. The attack animation was hilarious; the damage, awesome.

Was planning to at least start on this to some degree (even if it meant putting it off only to come back to it some time later) just so I could remind myself to play this, but...now I'm horribly preoccupied by Dungeon Travelers 2. Even ended up stalling my LN backlog. ;w; But I just love me my Wizardry-esque RPGs...

Flying Dagger · 2013-05-02, 12:31

yeah seem like that 100+ step fusion has an upkeep of 3000gold but also just literally destroy everything in its path.

Poor Liselle, I really wanted to go for her route first, but seem like her end is tied to Orphans route... (I think Eida's path the "true end")

Key Board · 2013-05-02, 14:23

True History route is Aru's route

which you can only get by allying with Eida (SCIENCE!!!) over Orfan (DRAGONS!!!)

but that's not enough either
you must earn the respect of EVERY nation. This includes the Dragon Girl and the Dwarf King.
So it's very unlikely you'll be getting the true history route on your first playthrough

anyway.. I found this image from the Ikusa Megami perfect guide that I said about much earlier.
It shows where Himegari and Maid in Bunny take place. I guess they are canon. Lol.

Spoiler:

Oh, and this game takes place in Melkia which is just east border from the center box

Flying Dagger · 2013-05-02, 15:11

I don't think your can do true route on first run or even NG+. I am in NG++ and just now I see a "true history book" on sale at the store. I think that unlocks true route.

I am starting fresh in NG++ because NG+ was too boring with power units. I seem to keep all my fusions (but limited availability due to mercenary store level). While having a lv5 spirit tank will be amazing, I don't want to abuse that mechanic: esp when 90% of enemies early game are physical attackers.

I still find the game easier now that I have a good understanding of various mechanics.
This is a tactic I now employ:
1) Start with Aru+2 suicidal knight squads, keep Aru out of range and just let those knights draw all enemies out and die.
2) Knights die, moral meter gets filled.
3) Nuke the shit out of your enemies. Send in either Liselle/Weiss with 1 more cannon fodder squad.
4) The enemy should use their specials on those units. Try to keep your named heroes out of the nuke. Once their moral meter is emptied, nuke with Aru again once moral gets high enough.
5) Keep enough moral for Weiss to knock enemies back if they attempt to retreat. Alternatively, if they are far enough from their tower, use Liselle's AoE buff on everyone and just kill them as they retreat: you should run faster than them and also deal a lot more damage with the buff.

Against certain melee units (esp in defensive formation), sometimes Aru can melee them without getting hit herself.

TL;DR: Send troops to their deaths, nuke with Aru.

Madou Koukaku ~Yami no Tsuki-Megami wa Nuke de Utau~

Drkz · 2013-05-02, 16:39

Hey dagger can you still buy monsters even though you kept them? Cause apparently you don't get research quests when you keep monsters from your previous game? Anyone found a easier way to get money? My brothel spamming plan didn't work

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A append disc with bunny outfits! I want.

Flying Dagger · 2013-05-02, 18:00

Hmmm...
I think you just autocomplete all the monster fusion quests if you carried over everything. You get a good giant boost of money the first time you visit the quest hub, it might have been one of those quests in there.

Even if you do not carry army over, (what I did in NG++) the game seem to remember what you have captured/fused in the past and you can just hire them right away from the merc camp... thus i had to resist not getting a spirit out and use it as the ultimate tank.

Brothel isn't as effective at generating money as merc camps. I think Mercenary camps give 250 at lv1 while brothel gives 200.

Money making "early" game is quite limited.

Late game you can explore farming as an option to make money. There are a few high tier craftable merchandises you can sell for a good amount of money and cost few materials to make (but they are usually rare: stuff like cows or lunar fruit/plants are only found in certain places).

Other than that its just trying to be as efficient as possible: do not deploy units on the map which you do not need as they come with an upkeep (those monsters you captured/fused comes with very high upkeep).

Try to make very good use of space. Seem like towns go up a level every 20 squares you used (that is not walls/trees/traps), and each level generates more passive income.

Resource gathering wise: lv2 camps are the thing to go for as they generate +1 round of resources. Ie: the first level of lumbermill only gives +5% chance of getting rare items, while lv2 camp gives +6% and also +1 to wood gathered.

It is a long term investment: because basic stone and soil are still used frequently when constructing a new settlement, so every stone that you do not have to buy in the future is another 200g saved (which is already more than the 200g made from your love hotels if you add the base income generated by a mine).

I find I tend to have a stockpile of basic wood, so those are a little less important.

Also always have someone governing a town, even if its one of the initial soldiers you got. Most of the time the benefits they give will outweight their upkeep. This is especially true for mercenaries with income skills.

Finally, you can try to squeeze a little bit of juice from diplomacy if somehow you are like, dead broke. They have a chance of giving you 2k/2k aide at the cost of 10 relationship.

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I want an append with:
Angel maids.
Cameos from more past works: would be cute if Mirai and Mehisha ends up in your army

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Giant balance patch (eushully doesnt do those do they?)
More routes and endings.
big battles!

2013-04-30, 01:23	Link #241
Drkz ( ﾟ∀ﾟ)ｱﾊﾊ八八ﾉヽﾉヽﾉヽﾉ＼ / ＼/ Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: (◣_◢)	See flying I told you somewhere down the line eushully would mess up and you'll be able to abuse something . So i love how they get bigger... __________________

2013-04-30, 03:37	Link #242
Flying Dagger 大巧不工 Join Date: Dec 2003	Just finished playthrough 1: the end is very anticlimatic. Basically it came down to defeating the south marshal and end credits just rolled. The south marshal's forces are really weak in my eyes as they are the same ones you have access to. I was using Aru in full tank mode, while shooting down enemies with Liselle (anti-ground troopers)+dark elf girl wielding an army of tier 3 water spirits. I think I fucked up since I let Bell die (North marshal's madou kokakou), which caused the premature end. // The late game OPness is in the last 2 eushully games I played as well. In a way if you fight straight up this game isn't too bad in the balance department. Some of my favorite commanders: Dark elf girl: Good stats with a wide AoE debuff. Can use spirit troops (ie: undines) for elemental magic attacks in archer formation (which has the longest range+covers a lot of ground) Margaretta (queen of nation of light): 65 energy special which recovers up to 4 dead units. Decent caster stats, but is stuck to human units: so light/dark/fire attacks only. I really like her special in late game where your tanking commander is still alive but lost all troops. (regaining troops = back in formation) Aru and Lune are just... really strong. Essentially having a levelable costume that can be further customized means a lv20 unit essentially has lv30 stats. Liselle: her dps is varies a lot. Biggest downside with her is that all the gunner units have very high command cost. While they are ultimate-type attacks, the gunners also do not really exploit elemental weaknesses. I like to use the raw dps of the +antiground skill units, the anti-weapon ones can be handy vs slow hitting enemies. All the siege weapons Liselle makes. The last ram with its Seige Tech V skill can tear a big hole in the wall, take down a tree, a house, and the enemy keep in a capital in 10 seconds. Spirits: Your ultimate tank against all things physical. // The various NPCs around your town join your army in NG+. Last edited by Flying Dagger; 2013-04-30 at 03:51.

2013-04-30, 03:37	Link #243
Darknemo2000 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Lithuania Age: 39	Some of the notes made on HF that could be useful while playing the game: Spoiler for Spoiler: Small region southwest with Corona, options: You can invade them (needs to be done manually through tactics?) Or there will be an event where Runaheim (the big nation to the southwest) invades them, you can either choose to defend them, in which case Runaheim will take them over but you will be at war with them afterwards and can invade to essentially "free" her, or you can choose not to defend them, in which case you will not be at war with them but can't get Corona. Attacking them outright has its own H-scene, while defending them has its own H-scene (may be flag/level dependent). Diverging paths involving South-west kingdom Runaheim: Eventually the pink-haired princess will request a ceasefire. 4 possible paths (courtesy of Prototype909): 1) Accept ceasefire, turn her into a prostitute. Kingdom will initiate another war on you, both her and the white haired general will become prostitutes but you will get the king and white haired girl as units. 2) Reject ceasefire, she commits suicide. You get the white haired general only. 3) Accept ceasefire, declare war after making her a follower. She'll commit suicide. 4). Accept ceasefire, do battles with her until events start showing up (May be level specific?). Eventually she'll H with you. Keep going through her events until she splits with her brother. It's now safe to declare war on them and finish the conquest. You won't get the brother but will get the other two As far as H scenes: Recruiting the white haired girl by making the sister suicide is a unique H-Scene, recruiting her by making the sister a prostitute gives a threesome scene, making the sister into a prostitute has its own scene, and the H-scenes you get for recruiting them both consensually are their own scenes too. Winning the war after making her a prostitute also gives its own scene Aru (Dragon girl): Will challenge Weiss to a one-on-one fight, which must be won to enter the events for her route. Several other similar difficult fights are also involved after. Fox-girl route/Northeastern tribes: 1) Invade the tribal territory (Eastern Dark Elf Ruled) 2) Capture the Fox-Girl by defeating her 3) 2nd option in her castle event 4) Do her events until she joins you 5) Conquer the capital of the territory 6) 3rd option when dealing with the Dark Elf 7) Advance through events for both characters 8) Done As far as Yun Gasol Union goes here is another step by step: Two routes, one where you just invade them and prostitute/slave all the musketeer girls and the other where you get the whole kingdom to join you. Invading them is the same no matter where or when you do it, whether you accept the ceasefire at the start or not has no bearing on this to my knowledge. Just barrel towards the capital and win, not complicated as long as you have the levels/army for it. Getting them to join you is a bit more complicated. Pretty sure you have to choose the female marshal's route first. Invade Runaheim and get the ceasefire, at this point the Masked Gentleman should join you. Work on getting his loyalty up and keep doing his events, at the same time you should aggressively be trying to complete all the Red Stamped quests for weapons development - this is important later. Eventually once you progressed significantly far in the route Yun Gasol will formally ally itself with you to help develop the weapon technology you're researching (The flying battleships) You should get some events where the Masked Gentleman asks you which of the Musketeers you like at some point, this doesn't seem to have any bearing on anything to my knowledge aside from maybe influencing some minor events. You need to have maxed his loyalty and done all his other events for this to show up Once you finish development of the weapons Yun Gasol will declare war on you. Barrel down the front and just conquer until outside their capital.At this point you're thrown into a 3 stage battle, health and troops don't regenerate. First phase is just the three musketeers + some generics. Second phase is the musketeers + the king + more generics. Final phase is king + generics, just kill the king to win the battle. At this point they'll all join you and if you pass enough turns you can H all the musketeers and then set yourself on their route by talking with the king a few more times. And a still incomplete mosnter fusion list. Be aware that to get all monster fusion missions you need to have 8 monster cages built. Spoiler for Fusion: Dragons カミルドラゴン=アースドラゴン+恨みの地震剣アクアドラゴン=シードラゴン+恨みの氷結剣ケノルドラゴン=ファイアドラゴン+恨みの火炎剣ディオリキス=サンダードラゴン+恨みの電撃剣ディケイル=ドラゴントゥース+キマイラ (event happens when allying with Orphan) Goblins ハイゴブリン = ゴブリン + ゴブリンゴブリン指揮官= ハイゴブリン + ハイゴブリンゴブリン大将軍= ゴブリン指揮官 + ゴブリン指揮官 Orcs オークメイジ = オーク + ゴブリンオーク指揮官 = オークメイジ + オークオーク大将軍 = オーク指揮官 + オーク指揮官 Earth Spirit? The girls トトリス = トリャーユ + 肉食アースマン Mud Men 肉食アースマン = アースマン + アースマンアースエクス = 水流アースマン + 肉食アースマン水流アースマン = 肉食アースマン + ティエネー泡油アースマン = 肉食アースマン + ファマ Water Spirits ウンディーネ = ティエネー + ティエネーセイレンウン = ディーネ + ジルニーヴィリニ = ティエネー + トリャーユ Dyrads ネミルユイチリ = ユイチリ + トリャーユ Wind Spirits ジルニー = シルフィ + ハルピュアルファニー = ジルニー + ルトハルピュア Fire Spirits ファラ・ヌイ = ファマ + エンジェル The Naked Holy Loli フェメール = メルタン + ユイチリファクシー = フェメール + ネミルユイチリ Harpies ハルピュア = シルフィ + レイーネルトハルピュア = ハルピュア + ジルニー Lizard Beasts レブルドル = グレイハウンド + グレイハウンドガウメテウス = レブルドル + グレイハウンド Angels エンジェル = フェメール + スゥーティアークエンジェル = エンジェル + リザリス Succubi スゥーティ = ハルピュア + 連鎖の骸骨リザリス = スゥーティ + エンジェルリリエール = リザリス + アークエンジェル Skeletons 連鎖の骸骨 = スケルトン + グールスケルトンロード = 連鎖の骸骨 + ハイグール Zombies グール = 吸魂霊 + 吸魂霊ハイグール = グール + グール Golem ストーンゴーレム = ガーゴイル + アースマン Last edited by Darknemo2000; 2013-04-30 at 04:28.

2013-04-30, 07:17	Link #244
Hemisphere 見習い魔剣使い Join Date: May 2006 Location: 大陸の片隅	Ver. 1.01 patch just came out; heads up! 3.1MB; can be found here. List of fixes are: ・特定条件下において意戒の山嶺などで拠点へのルートが塞がったまま復帰しない進行上の不具合を修正　※ゲームの進行状態がルート復帰イベント発生後の場合は、　　一度拠点を訪問してから全体マップへ戻ると正常になります・特定条件下で捕虜状態のフェルアノが死亡したあとでも表示が残ってしまう不具合を修正・仮面の紳士が本来加入しないタイミングで加入してしまう不具合を修正・特定条件下でのイベント重複発生やタイミングを修正・サッキュバス小隊の誤っていたステータス表示を正常化・一部クエストで存在しない報酬を指定していた部分を正しい報酬に修正・その他誤字脱字、ボイス内容の間違いについて修正 For those concerned, there you go. __________________

2013-04-30, 11:18	Link #245
Flying Dagger 大巧不工 Join Date: Dec 2003	In other words just a silly spelling update. I really like the idea of synthesis and the power that comes along with them, but unfortunately the upkeep of those monsters are insanely high. // Lets go to school: Spoiler: // Those with good memory may recall me saying how the graphics of this game sucks: but that is very limited to the male characters. Females have pretty detailed designs, for example NSFW Warning: Not safe to view at work or school! Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? The hidden patterns to lingerie, the texture to the wall in the back, etc imo are signs that the artist has put forth the effort. Once again, whats with all those bubbles lol? Last edited by Flying Dagger; 2013-04-30 at 17:06.

2013-04-30, 18:05	Link #246
Drkz ( ﾟ∀ﾟ)ｱﾊﾊ八八ﾉヽﾉヽﾉヽﾉ＼ / ＼/ Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: (◣_◢)	Caring about guys... WHY? WHY IS WRONG WITH YOU DAGGER?! Its too make it nice and sparkly~ Needs a easier way to catch monsters.... Spoiler for Obey your loli overlords now!!: __________________

2013-05-01, 11:50	Link #247
Flying Dagger 大巧不工 Join Date: Dec 2003	Well, the demo's cg are mostly guys, with only liselle's and the three musketeers' sprites making an appearance. I wish they had added that amount of detail in Weiss' armor too. The king to the east reminds me a lot of Iskandar from Fate/Zero. Bonus point since he comes with an army of riders. For me the game hit the right buttons in terms of character design: there have always been one or two who I really did not care about in the past to games (mud girl, emelita, serawi, eye patch girl, etc) // (continued from PM discussion) Well, the world map has got room for more places, they can also add a ton of extra missions. The thing is though, what this game really need is a giant balance patch. Game is too hard at the beginning and too easy towards the end. Soukoku and Kamidori (esp Kamidori's) end game content actually offered something which resembles a challenge. Kokakou's end game content is mostly just finding the right elementals and destroying everything. The most enjoyable part of this game is not necessary the battles, but the simcity aspect of it. I really like the music they have in this game though, esp the 3rd world map music ("dominance" in BGM). I really hope they can keep up with that department: ofc I hope not too many people in japan pirated the game so they don't fold. I don't know why people's reception of the game seem rather poor at first. I think this game marks something really ambitious for Eushully: male voice actors, game with a lot of different paths and choices as freedom, RTS element, higher base resolution. I have got to say the game lives up to its hype, though falls a bit short from being a 5 stars piece of work. Last edited by Flying Dagger; 2013-05-01 at 18:36.

2013-05-01, 21:58	Link #249
Drkz ( ﾟ∀ﾟ)ｱﾊﾊ八八ﾉヽﾉヽﾉヽﾉ＼ / ＼/ Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: (◣_◢)	Wait. So you beat it in hard mode and it was too easy? Well honestly I wasn't surprised. I was pretty sure the balancing was going to be bad since they where trying to be ambitious. User feedback + patches will fix everything. Rance was the same way. A lot of people dislike having the male protag voiced. Varies from different school of thought. If they want to make it harder the easiest way to is buff the enemies stats imo. Whether or not they do that depends we'll need to see. Append disc~ Append disc~ more sauna sequences!~ Btw. I spent most of the time in Soukoku with a deck with like 11 cards. Other than the occasional boss, or annoying your not able to use your personal deck events it was pretty easy. THE POWER OF BRUTE FORCING that and Hashiera's or the eye patch girl's skill. Broken. __________________

2013-05-01, 23:53	Link #250
Flying Dagger 大巧不工 Join Date: Dec 2003	Rigging hashiera requires something like late late late game iirc. I used some card-duping accessory in late game for the easy summons. I couldn't stand Arisa's voice, Mehisha's voice grew on me over time (Mirai comes very close in second place). I remember wondering how the VA can keep the battlevoice during her scenes... Kamidori has "good" challenges assuming you do not just rely heavily on prevail to kill everything. There are ways to adjust the game barring a fundamental flaw with the system. () First, let enemies scale better, # of territories occupied should be a good marker. Ie: you will face up to lv10 enemies when you have 10 territories, lv20 when you have 25, etc... Hard mode enemies should start with +1 to the level cap. Getting an additional +1 every 5 levels, so +1@lv5, +2@lv10, +3@15... // () The flaw with this game is that advantages snowball heavily. Since your army gets weaker as they get injured, their usefulness drops heavily. In fact in early game a lot of cases your units become useless after you lose the first 2 guys: because their attack drops below enemy defense (so they do no damage) and their weakened defense stat just makes lets them die off at a even quicker rate. This is why AoE damage spells are so potent (I like them more than self-buffs, AoE buffs and Defuffs, such as Liselle and rune elf's are good): you burst off a good chunk of an enemy's army so your superior army can snowball the advantage.

2013-05-02, 00:57	Link #251
Drkz ( ﾟ∀ﾟ)ｱﾊﾊ八八ﾉヽﾉヽﾉヽﾉ＼ / ＼/ Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: (◣_◢)	Prevail + Ferocity + Vorpal Counter + Strip Attack = Most broken Yuela ever. Still can't believe you don't like Serawi. I MEAN COME ON. SHE WAS MOST LEWD. Honestly pretty much why I only poked around didn't bother to legitimately play it. When making as ambitious as this you know it'll need to get patched. Hell even Rance Quest still gets patches. As i said earlier. You'll find a way to break something. It always exist. __________________

2013-05-02, 01:14	Link #252
Hemisphere 見習い魔剣使い Join Date: May 2006 Location: 大陸の片隅	Hannah is lewder. Hannah is delishuz. Hannah needs more scenes. Viva Hannah! ...Uhh, yeah. I like Hannah is what I'm trying to get at. __________________

2013-05-02, 01:37	Link #253
Flying Dagger 大巧不工 Join Date: Dec 2003	Yeah, Hannah > Serawi. In fact hannah as a unit is like what you would imagine Serawi to be: powerful elemental long ranged nukes, strong heals, long ranged heals, mana regen... // I really don't like how destroying deployment towers can win you a map, I think that is the biggest abuse, and the silliest. btw seem like there are fusions with over 100 steps... -_-

2013-05-02, 09:48	Link #254
Drkz ( ﾟ∀ﾟ)ｱﾊﾊ八八ﾉヽﾉヽﾉヽﾉ＼ / ＼/ Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: (◣_◢)	Oi, from the main heroines I'd perfer her the most. But its true you can get lewder heroines from the side characters. Koha or Rags! Storywise Kamidori was weak, you could easily guess what was going to happen. Not to mention Serawi's storyline was somewhat depressing. But was I the only one who enjoyed the naked ball-slamming elf? I thought it was both hilarious and ironic that it was a ball and chain. Well once they can't deploy what else can they do?... Wtf. 100+? By the end of that fusion it better be the strongest unit in the game. __________________

2013-05-02, 11:34	Link #255
Hemisphere 見習い魔剣使い Join Date: May 2006 Location: 大陸の片隅	Serawi's route was more annoying and tedious, really. SAVE THE WHALES, SAVE THE TREES, SAVE THE GRASS, SAVE THE-bleh. But that's Kamidori, and a different topic altogether. First title that had ball-and-chain swinging was Genrin 2. The merchant, if you fucked her enough (for discounts), will join Louie - and her weapon is pretty much her ball-and-chain. The attack animation was hilarious; the damage, awesome. Was planning to at least start on this to some degree (even if it meant putting it off only to come back to it some time later) just so I could remind myself to play this, but...now I'm horribly preoccupied by Dungeon Travelers 2. Even ended up stalling my LN backlog. ;w; But I just love me my Wizardry-esque RPGs... __________________

2013-05-02, 12:31	Link #256
Flying Dagger 大巧不工 Join Date: Dec 2003	yeah seem like that 100+ step fusion has an upkeep of 3000gold but also just literally destroy everything in its path. Poor Liselle, I really wanted to go for her route first, but seem like her end is tied to Orphans route... (I think Eida's path the "true end")

2013-05-02, 14:23	Link #257
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	True History route is Aru's route which you can only get by allying with Eida (SCIENCE!!!) over Orfan (DRAGONS!!!) but that's not enough either you must earn the respect of EVERY nation. This includes the Dragon Girl and the Dwarf King. So it's very unlikely you'll be getting the true history route on your first playthrough anyway.. I found this image from the Ikusa Megami perfect guide that I said about much earlier. It shows where Himegari and Maid in Bunny take place. I guess they are canon. Lol. Spoiler: Oh, and this game takes place in Melkia which is just east border from the center box __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

2013-05-02, 15:11	Link #258
Flying Dagger 大巧不工 Join Date: Dec 2003	I don't think your can do true route on first run or even NG+. I am in NG++ and just now I see a "true history book" on sale at the store. I think that unlocks true route. I am starting fresh in NG++ because NG+ was too boring with power units. I seem to keep all my fusions (but limited availability due to mercenary store level). While having a lv5 spirit tank will be amazing, I don't want to abuse that mechanic: esp when 90% of enemies early game are physical attackers. I still find the game easier now that I have a good understanding of various mechanics. This is a tactic I now employ: 1) Start with Aru+2 suicidal knight squads, keep Aru out of range and just let those knights draw all enemies out and die. 2) Knights die, moral meter gets filled. 3) Nuke the shit out of your enemies. Send in either Liselle/Weiss with 1 more cannon fodder squad. 4) The enemy should use their specials on those units. Try to keep your named heroes out of the nuke. Once their moral meter is emptied, nuke with Aru again once moral gets high enough. 5) Keep enough moral for Weiss to knock enemies back if they attempt to retreat. Alternatively, if they are far enough from their tower, use Liselle's AoE buff on everyone and just kill them as they retreat: you should run faster than them and also deal a lot more damage with the buff. Against certain melee units (esp in defensive formation), sometimes Aru can melee them without getting hit herself. TL;DR: Send troops to their deaths, nuke with Aru. Madou Koukaku ~Yami no Tsuki-Megami wa Nuke de Utau~ Last edited by Flying Dagger; 2013-05-02 at 16:05.

2013-05-02, 16:39	Link #259
Drkz ( ﾟ∀ﾟ)ｱﾊﾊ八八ﾉヽﾉヽﾉヽﾉ＼ / ＼/ Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: (◣_◢)	Hey dagger can you still buy monsters even though you kept them? Cause apparently you don't get research quests when you keep monsters from your previous game? Anyone found a easier way to get money? My brothel spamming plan didn't work . A append disc with bunny outfits! I want. __________________

2013-05-02, 18:00	Link #260
Flying Dagger 大巧不工 Join Date: Dec 2003	Hmmm... I think you just autocomplete all the monster fusion quests if you carried over everything. You get a good giant boost of money the first time you visit the quest hub, it might have been one of those quests in there. Even if you do not carry army over, (what I did in NG++) the game seem to remember what you have captured/fused in the past and you can just hire them right away from the merc camp... thus i had to resist not getting a spirit out and use it as the ultimate tank. Brothel isn't as effective at generating money as merc camps. I think Mercenary camps give 250 at lv1 while brothel gives 200. Money making "early" game is quite limited. Late game you can explore farming as an option to make money. There are a few high tier craftable merchandises you can sell for a good amount of money and cost few materials to make (but they are usually rare: stuff like cows or lunar fruit/plants are only found in certain places). Other than that its just trying to be as efficient as possible: do not deploy units on the map which you do not need as they come with an upkeep (those monsters you captured/fused comes with very high upkeep). Try to make very good use of space. Seem like towns go up a level every 20 squares you used (that is not walls/trees/traps), and each level generates more passive income. Resource gathering wise: lv2 camps are the thing to go for as they generate +1 round of resources. Ie: the first level of lumbermill only gives +5% chance of getting rare items, while lv2 camp gives +6% and also +1 to wood gathered. It is a long term investment: because basic stone and soil are still used frequently when constructing a new settlement, so every stone that you do not have to buy in the future is another 200g saved (which is already more than the 200g made from your love hotels if you add the base income generated by a mine). I find I tend to have a stockpile of basic wood, so those are a little less important. Also always have someone governing a town, even if its one of the initial soldiers you got. Most of the time the benefits they give will outweight their upkeep. This is especially true for mercenaries with income skills. Finally, you can try to squeeze a little bit of juice from diplomacy if somehow you are like, dead broke. They have a chance of giving you 2k/2k aide at the cost of 10 relationship. // I want an append with: Angel maids. Cameos from more past works: would be cute if Mirai and Mehisha ends up in your army . Giant balance patch (eushully doesnt do those do they?) More routes and endings. big battles!