2009-05-13, 22:43 | Link #321 | |
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2009-05-15, 06:15 | Link #322 | |
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But if you have to change the definition to fit her in than why call her a tsundere in the first place? Sure Aoba does have her tsundere type moments throughout the manga... choc. but.. if you had to single out scenes like that to prove a case than you pretty much call anybody a tsundere than |
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2009-05-15, 06:53 | Link #323 |
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Oh, c'mon, Westlo... There is a big deal going on with her not wanting to betray Waka in her mind, yes. The whole 160km/h ball and the "But you still can't have him" comment do play big parts in the jumble of her feelings. It's not only the other thing, either.
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2009-05-15, 08:41 | Link #324 | |
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2009-05-15, 17:14 | Link #325 |
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Sure we have a term for her, she's called "Aoba". And she has no "unexplicable hate", go watch the show properly. This tsundere label only serves to dumb her down to a two-dimensional personality, which she doesn't have. Categorizing every character into simplistic moe archetypes is not favorable to them or to the discussion; there's more to a lot of them than that. Man, just re-read musouka's posts on the previous page.
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2009-05-15, 17:31 | Link #326 | |
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edit: I can understand people hatred for lebeling Aoba Tsundere, by the way most of them are used in anime. still is the only way to lebel her, even the Tomboy lebel which also apply to her is kind of insulting, because she is not tomboy in my eyes. She is just a cute girl that likes sports. |
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2009-05-15, 17:54 | Link #327 |
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Let's exclude the term, "tsundere" all together when describing Aoba's personality. Tsunderes' highlighted in stereotypical anime are nothing more than zombies instilled with two sets of personalities that are necessary to worship the very ground the protagonist walks on in a slightly different manner. While I get what Golthin is tyring to point out, Aoba's complexity is far more enriching and endearing, so it is difficult to enclose her personality in a simple bracket like tsundere.
P.S. Since Scap is checking up on the spelling, I ran a spell check before submitting the post.
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2009-05-15, 18:00 | Link #329 |
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And why should we care about what you think, stpehen? Sheesh... Do mind your manners a bit more, sir.
As for Aoba being a tsundere or not... does it really matter? Labels are nice for simplifying things, but they are also crutches some people use too lightly. Let's try to make the best without those, for now, shall we?
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2009-05-15, 20:38 | Link #332 |
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The problem with the tsundere debate is that it's purely definitional. As is the case with a lot of loan words, the definition is always evolving to keep up with the developing archetype. No doubt tsundere-ism has been watered down, and it's no surprise people are leery about using a word that links a rich and complex character like Aoba to K-On's Mio, who is a simply awful character as far as depth is concerned. So I don't think the question is so much whether or not Aoba is tsundere (and personally I think she is, but I think most anime-related loan words need pretty loose definitions by their nature and how they're used), but "what is a tsundere".
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2009-05-15, 21:02 | Link #333 | |
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The tsundere label is strictly a fandom definition in the first place, a label created by the fans to describe a particular set of stereotypes, just as the fans are responsible for evolving the meaning to its current nature. With that said, when fans apply this label to characters like Louise, Shana, Taiga and many others, they are doing so because there's a certain pattern they recognize. These are pretty much 'people with conceited, spiky, combative personalities that suddenly becomes modest and loving when triggered by some sort of cause' (originally I wouldn't touch Wiki, but ironically, there is no better reference to use right now). When the fans reach a consensus with this description in mind, this is how the standards of this label are made clear.
When you use the 'tsundere' fan-label with Aoba, it strongly implies that she belongs to this group of girls, who are constantly used as shining examples of the label. (Ones who pretty much define the term.) I agree with the people who said the label was misused. No matter what tsundere types there are, what all of them seem to have in common is the demand of focus on their so-called tsundere personalities as the deciding factor that largely defines their relationships, and in turn, places considerably less emphasis on the circumstances around them - when it's actually the opposite for Aoba. Her personality had never dictated her and Kou's relationship; the situation does. No matter how much Aoba is praised as a well-done/exceptional tsundere, if she doesn't meet the 'requirements', or rather, conflicts with it, then it's still confining the wrong character to the standards of that label, really. Quote:
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I'm more interested in knowing when they're going to release the series OST now. At least that is something I can affoard.
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