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2012-11-10, 18:56 | Link #81 | |
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I wonder if Psycho-Pass will ultimately agree with the above sentiment. I can think of examples from Madoka Magica (another Gen work) that fits The Joker's argument here.
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2012-11-10, 19:17 | Link #82 | |
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One thing that's easily missed in this episode: Masatake Mido expected to be caught. He wasn't trying very hard to hide. When told that some "hunting dogs got caught" in his trap, he merely grunted, "Finally", adding that he'd continue with his plan even though he seemed to have an option to escape, saying only that he "had a duty" to fulfil. What would be that duty be? I suspect that Mido, like many terrorists, wanted to make a very public statement of intention. And Kougami had very possibly stumbled on that statement unwittingly: "These avatars are idols on the Net. In other words, icons. Icons cannot exist solely through their own will. Neither Hayama nor Sugawara established their status on their own. They were able to become Talisman and Spooky Boogie only because their fans idolised them based on their own distorted perceptions. The idols' true felings and their true colours are not the same as the ideals represented by their characters."To me, the above seemed like a vague reference to Arthur Schopenhauer's The World as Will and Representation, which is itself an extension of Immanuel Kant's idea of transcendental idealism. The basic idea is that Schopenhauer believed that it's possible to discover and "know" otherwise abstract concepts through human will. Which is to say, reality is what human will — our consciousness — makes of it. Contrast Kougami's words against those of Tsunemori in this episode: "Isn't using the Net just like using knives for cooking or using paper to write things down? It has nothing to do with good or bad. It's like, it's there, so we accept it and use it."Tsunemori echoes some of the earlier comments we've covered in the general discussion thread, that technology is not good or bad, it depends on how you use it. More importantly, she reveals that, by and large, she passively accepts the reality around her and uses it without question. In other words, Tsunemori passively accepts what society imposes on her, while Makishima's terrorist cell is attempting to do the opposite, to impose their will on society, and to shape it according to their vision. These are the ideological poles that drive the conflict and drama of this show, I believe. |
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2012-11-10, 19:41 | Link #83 |
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If the gun settings cannot be manually override, if Mido knew that sooner or later he would be caught by enforcers, if he was proficient handling explosives, since he was caught inside an apartment he frequently visited, what would prevent him from using the cliche bomb connected to his heartbeat so the moment his heartbeat was equal to zero the bomb(s) would blow his killers to kingdom come?
BTW, to the people that say that due to some drugs mido was impervious to the stun gun setting, remember how an armored car works, it can endure one or two shots, but successive shots in the same place over a very short period of time shot by one or more enforcers would do the work. |
2012-11-11, 02:03 | Link #85 |
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In every sci-fi and dystopian settings, there is always a "terrorist" group or someone who doesn't accept how the society function, tries to rebel and revolutionize the "system" as whole.
I guess that's how the plot is driven for these type of settings?
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2012-11-11, 06:28 | Link #88 |
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Well, you have a point. But at least it's interesting the way the premise is being built up. At the very least, I expect there won't be a black-and-white resolution, just many shades of grey that have to be carefully managed.
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2012-11-11, 10:21 | Link #89 |
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Just started, this is pretty good.
Just wondering about at what crime coefficient level the gun enters what mode, from the episodes so far if it exceeds at least 100 it enters paralyser mode, but what about lethal mode? The woman in the first case had a crime coefficient of 190 when it entered lethal mode, but the factory worker exceeded 200 and it was still paralyser mode? Any other thoughts?
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2012-11-11, 10:28 | Link #90 | |
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EDIT : I was wrong, but maybe you should rewatch one more time to learn a bit behind the Dominator.
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2012-11-11, 10:48 | Link #91 | |
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2012-11-11, 17:13 | Link #92 | |
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2012-11-11, 17:20 | Link #93 | |
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2012-11-11, 17:45 | Link #94 |
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I think that garbage is basically right in the critique that Masaoka is making about the internet.
Other technologies (mail, telephone, media, etc...) bring people together in a transparent way. In other words, that's your words and, more importantly, your name that you write on your mailings to people. That's your voice on the telephone. That's your face in the media. But if you're playing a fictional avatar and talking to other people's fictional avatars is that truly socializing? Well, given how easily Spookie Boogie and Talisman where replaced by AIs that almost nobody could tell the difference with, I think that this episode was arguing that there's not enough of the "real person" in these sorts of avatars to make their interactions with others to count as true socializing. Mind you, I don't think this works that well as a criticism of the internet as a whole due to Facebook and Twitter. The internet is nowhere near as predominantly "anonymous" as it once was, with many people having fully integrated their internet communications with their real life communications (by using their real name and face for both). But, perhaps in Psycho-Pass' world, the internet is more like it was in the pre-Facebook/Twitter days.
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2012-11-12, 01:34 | Link #96 | |
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It doesn't state the victim's crime coefficient when it turned to lethal mode, but Akane says "her crime coefficient was only temporarily elevated" at the end of the episode, so I do believe it was the possibly the case for her, as well. Mind you, her holding a lighter in a pool of petrol was more than sufficient to understand her intent to kill herself/kill others. From what I understand, the crime coefficient isn't some fixed number, so yes, getting scanned on a really bad day (eg. I'm feeling a little stalker-ish today, better follow my ex-GF and her new BF to make myself feel better ) means getting enforced. Side note: Authorized? As in, have permission? Not ordered by law/Mr Sibyl? Someone fluent in Japanese care to double-check the translation of this line? |
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2012-11-12, 01:44 | Link #97 |
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so it's like "my usual crime co-e is 80, but when I'm stressed it'll be 120 plus if I have a really, really bad day the stress can make it up till 300+ and I'm gonna be killed for that, eventhough tomorrow maybe it'll decrease till 80 again."
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2012-11-12, 01:55 | Link #98 | |
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If you intent to rape someone (or did she actually get raped?)/torture, paralysis. If you intend to kill someone (not in the wishful thinking kind of intent), then yes, I expect them to make you explode into a million pieces. EDIT: ok, before someone makes this point, the hacker and Mido probably had the same amount of "killing intent" at the time of their scan (neither had an actual weapon on their hand), but I think Mido was considered unredeemably insane to the point of no return (taking over people when they no longer act like what expected them to act like), whereas the hacker was vengeful. As for the rape victim, intent to kill + temporarily insane at the time = supposedly unreemable at the time of the lethal scan. Or, plotholes. Whatever people consider the simplest answer. Last edited by Quadratic; 2012-11-12 at 03:14. |
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2012-11-12, 02:34 | Link #99 | |
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But yes, as a matter of fact, nearly all homicides occur at the spur of the moment, so if you really are intent on killing someone, then the Dominator would probably allow for force to be used. Though it's not as bad as blowing you to bits immediately, even the robot guy (who'd already killed 3 times) was instead given a Paralyzer shot. 300 seems to be the hard limit for the Lethal Eliminator to automatically come out.
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