Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Character Creation and Discussion

[LimitedEternal]

Originally Posted by PhoenixFlare

:3

Well, this will come as a little surprise, but this chapter is supposedly combined together with Chapter 8. A little review separated them, though, because I think dropping another Bluecheese Nuke rivaling Chapter 6 (which was capped at 26K words, combined Chapter 7-8 probably slightly more than that) is going to make a lot of people go bonkers and start screaming for my skin .

Nothing big here, really, just a lot of information dump. And I think I got some of the characters OOC (Out-of-Character) and some things OOC (Out-of-Canon) .

Anyway ...

*drops nuke and runs*

Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha GuardianS

Chapter Seven—A Tale from the Past

*long story is long*

And PF delivers his massively long BLUECHEESE!

That is a mighty impressive piece o' work, though. Nicely written. My head's still wobbling

Originally Posted by Keroko

-You never mentioned Rein's Full Size abillity

You mean Rein Zwei, right? Can she even do that?

The article mentions Thrawn. That makes it inherently awesome.

When you can combine magnificent bastard and master strategist, you know someone's badass.

... You just reminded me why I need to write the Tesla/Keroko fights. There are none. Nanoha and Teana are the only range oriented fighters we see, and they often get paired of with/against melee fighters. The closest we get is the dogfight with the type-2 aerial gadgets in episode 5. I really wish we could have seen a bit more of that.

However, that does not mean it is impossible to write one. The X-Wing novels were focussed around dogfighting, and were a great joy to read. Applying that style of writing -replacing a lot of the technollogy with magic- should be possible.

Now that you mention it, there isn't much real dogfighting in the series, is there?

Thank you.

You and your trap tomfoolery.

True, you could. Question is, can you live with the consequences? Will you live?

Somehow, I think getting Tesla drunk the honest way might be a better option...not that I'm eager to try.

Ah, so you want to take the step towards canon inegration then? Let me warn you then that the integration route is one filled with many traps and pitfalls. Too often will you get the urge to let your characters take the lead, to solve the problem that the Main Character is struggling with. However, you can't. Nanoha is the Main Character, not yours. If canon dictates that Nanoha is the one to finish things, then Nanoha is the one to finish things. Our characters can only aid.

Also, remember that the Aces are supposed to be amazingly ahead of their age and level. Yes, they're overpowered and get more screen time than everyone else put together, but it does make them excellent pinnacles to compare by. The general red line here is about their level; we get suspicious when someone's equal to or above their level.

If you're dead set on canon integration though, Keroko-kun here's as good as anyone to get advice from.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

Also when the hell did I apparently become Mid/Ranged magics Champion?!

Well, by your own admission, you're a fan of long-range combat.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

If you've only got 12, go with the Falcon. Why?

Less maintainnance costs.

Smaller ship = lower maintainnace = more cash to play around with = less time stuck in rest/refit cycle.

Besides, you can use all that money for black market modification. :3

Originally Posted by Mirificus

The TSAB has a damning tendency to fighting fair.

They're gonna be in trouble when the "fuck fair play" alien race comes along...

Originally Posted by Fuyu no Sora

Okay, so things have infinitely improved :3

At least now I have 7 more pages of backlog to try and catch up to when I get home

I've been having some trouble handling exams, work and other stuff lately so I expect to be back (again) to full duty by the end of the week ^^; For now I'll try to keep up with things here but mostly in lurker status

Though I simply skimmed the surface of it, I've seen some interesting charas. The one that mostly caught my eye would be Keroko-kun's Rebuilt of Uomo. I haven't had time to read the third yet though (Sorry Keroko-kun ). Nice new pic for him though

I'm in school and about to receive a lecture from my teacher for slacking off so I'll see you guys later

*Runs before receiving lecture*

Just keep slogging through it. It's the end of my semester here, so I'm busier than normal too.

Originally Posted by ghazghkull

And this is where I shall get off the train.

This is definitely not worth the headache you're giving me, especially since I've got final exams around the corner.

Should done what I did and just taken the high road outright.

Originally Posted by Sheba

Where is original when all I seem to see is some kind of obsession over porting characters from other franchises?

I mean, even my first character was made on the blue with no existing base; another of my characters, the pirate Morgan may have been inspired by Cobra but he is nothing like him.

USB500's Alita may have been based on Patchouli, but she is nowhere a carbon copy of the original. And the list goes on.

See Coma, the point here is to come up with your own ideas. Inspiration's the most powerful tool you can get, and if you get ideas from another series, that's not a bad thing. But direct ports don't cut it - you gotta put your own spin on it.

Originally Posted by Saint X

*warps in*

Saint X could only chuckle as the conversation is going on

Saint X holds up a sign saying "Go to IRC NAO"

Nao Bows

O_O

krisslanza, get your child to act properly please...

*warps out*

O_o Eeeeh?

Originally Posted by Kagerou

That doesn't explain your Vita fetish.

*RUNS FASTER*

Oh, well played.

*joins Kagerou in running*

Originally Posted by stormturmoil

Strange...I've never listened, and I've never compromised either...and yet the haxbusters have always left me alone...

wait...that's because I'm not on enough, because my character is kept out in the dark not treading on toes, and because most of it gets retconned by myself even before it hits the board. But even more to the point, it's because I don't really care. Even so, I'll say this:

If any so-called 'haxxbuster' tried to BULLY me like you do in this post, I'd IGNORE them. If they kept trying, I'd keep ignoring them.

Remember, the power of Haxbusting only works if the person you're trying to help actually wants to listen. If not, all they have to do is ignore you, and then what will you do?

Answer: you won't do anything because you CAN'T. If they don't choose to listen, you CAN'T make them. worse, they might choose to leave, and that'd be the OC's loss, not theirs. Moreover, if people are being scared away, the mods might close the thread entirely, ending the whole Hax vs non-hax argument for good.

so tone down the attitude, Goose.

In my defence, I say this about the perils of HAXX, for the benefit of Comartemis and any other newcomers:

If you feel the need to write some HAXX plot or other, DO SO. Post it. Let everyone see it. AND THEREFORE GET IT OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM.

then go back and ask yourself: would I really like my character to have to deal with THIS?

and then alter it to how you feel you need to for you to feel happy putting another character up against it.

most of all, DON'T compromise UNLESS and UNTIL you're happy with the compromise...if you feel you need to fight for a concept that others don't like the sound of at first, by all means fight for it. Don't let yourself be bullied into watering down a feature you like just because some others don't think it fits. MAKE it fit. don't drop it just because it's easier than arguing over it...argue, and hash out a middle ground.

but don't abandon something just because the haxbusters don't like the sound of it.

And a voice of reason comes along...'bout time.

Alright, since you've taken the initiative here, I'm gonna try peacemaker again:

Goose, calm down. Coma, work with us here. The lot of us are supposed to be on the same side; last I looked the point of this whole thread is to toss ideas around and make then work. We're not a grandiose debating society, and something tells me this argument has gone way past the point of being useful.

Both of you, calm down and shape up. I got nothing personal against either of you, or anyone here, for that matter. My primary interest here is that we're around tomorrow so that we can keep working ideas out, and having an ego faceoff ain't the way to do it.

So, here's what I suggest: If you can't both agree on something, why don't you put up an idea, then if the other one of you thinks it's OPd, the other one of you says how you think it can be fixed. But if you keep this up, the mods might decide to step in here; and to be perfectly blunt I'm not gonna be happy if we get shut down.

So, can you guys at least agree to disagree?

Oh by the way, page get. :3

[Evangelion Xgouki]

Originally Posted by Kagerou

It will, in time. It involves me to do lots of nearly impossible things, but I'll do it, and when you see it, bricks will be shat.

Trying to figure out if that's a good thing or a bad thing...

Originally Posted by Kagerou

That doesn't explain your Vita fetish.

*RUNS FASTER*

Better run faster

Originally Posted by Kagerou

All in good time my dear Eva.
And also, yes, both Shamsel and Ryo got a few promotions. In Alphaverse, NERV has also expanded slightly.

Interesting...and then there's my new OC who's also in NERV if you wish to use her

*Rider Kicks all the pervs*

Originally Posted by LimitedEternal

And PF delivers his massively long BLUECHEESE!

That is a mighty impressive piece o' work, though. Nicely written. My head's still wobbling

Mmm...bluechessium :3

Originally Posted by LimitedEternal

You mean Rein Zwei, right? Can she even do that?

It was in one of the StrikerS Soundstages when RF6 heads to Earth. Her Full Form is about as tall as Caro if I remember.

Originally Posted by LimitedEternal

You and your trap tomfoolery.

And what's one of the things we love about Keroko

[Keroko]

*short post before bed*

Joining in with Limited and Storm, we all should work on ideas how to make the world tick instead of just saying 'this is wrong, redo it.' If you point out something that you think is unbalanced, then point out a way to improve it. 'do it yourself' automatically makes you far les viable as a H4XXbuster.

[Kha]

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Yeah, anime fans aren't so hot with these acronyms.

We cook up our own acronyms, so RL acronyms leave us puzzled, or guessing off the mark. I missed the Pecular in SOPMOD.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

OH HELL NO!!!

TSAB SOCOM is one of Franz's pet projects, the other being the TSAB Marine Corps. Besides, there's already a SOCOM equivalent: TK's OC Jack O'Neil runs Special Operations & Private Contractor Command. Post-Alpha, SOPCC will be split into PCC and TSAB SOCOM.

LEAVE SOCOM ALONE!

*yawns away tinnitus from yell*

Hey I was just asking nicely.

Okay, so Steel Talons and SOPCC for the TSAB. Fitting, since I AM bringing in Jack O'Neil for Rebuilt.

Just too bad that O'Niel's Mammoth won't have railguns... >.>

Wait he has MARV.

[arkhangelsk]

Originally Posted by Keroko

We must be watching two different versions then, because as far as I recall, the Droid Control ship got downed by a fighter, both Death Stars were downed by fighters (okay, so technically the second was downed by a freighter and a fighter), the Executor was downed by fighters. Even in the X-wing games it was usually a swarm of small ships that took out the ISD. The concept of TRD is not wrong, not at all. It is basically suported by all the canon we see.

Actually, the films show exactly how it is possible to square the circle, to give fighters a chance to show their worth w/o making them some kind of capship shield pummeler.

They sink ships both in novels and film, but the way they do so is Heaven and Earth. In the canon deck, it is made clear that fighters are in fact almost useless, and they do what they do under special circumstances like if the enemy is gracious enough to let you enter the innards of their ship. Or create special holes for you to hit. Or have the shields downed by other capships (made very clear in the novelization).

In the games, you just shoot protorps.

[Wild Goose]

Originally Posted by Kha

We cook up our own acronyms, so RL acronyms leave us puzzled, or guessing off the mark. I missed the Pecular in SOPMOD.

Lawl, no wonder. To be honest I fomerly thought the O and P went to geter - Spec Ops Mod. The Wonders of Wiki.

*yawns away tinnitus from yell*

Hey I was just asking nicely.

But it's so fun to make your eyes spin! XD (Besides this was a lot calmer than if TK unleashed his guns on you.)

Okay, so Steel Talons and SOPCC for the TSAB. Fitting, since I AM bringing in Jack O'Neil for Rebuilt.

Just too bad that O'Niel's Mammoth won't have railguns... >.>

Wait he has MARV.

2 L. O'Neill with 2 l. There's another O'Neil with only 1 L, he has no sense of humor.

[Kha]

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Lawl, no wonder. To be honest I fomerly thought the O and P went to geter - Spec Ops Mod. The Wonders of Wiki.

Yes indeed, though not so much for Nanoha. >.>

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

But it's so fun to make your eyes spin! XD (Besides this was a lot calmer than if TK unleashed his guns on you.)

Ah I see...

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

2 L. O'Neill with 2 l. There's another O'Neil with only 1 L, he has no sense of humor.

But so much more GAR.

*runs*

Got it.

[Wild Goose]

It was a ref to a SG-1 ep. O'Neill, confronted by a reporter who intends to blow the SGC program wide open, says, "Just make sure you get my name right. It's O'Neill, with 2 Ls. There is another O'Neil with only 1 L. He has no sense of humor."

Will breaker later.

[Kha]

Oh I started SG-1 midway, so... But given this context I do believe this can go somewhere...

Oh btw, for MMO fans, check out what I found that would make Gordon Ramstead - Tauren's Kitchen proud.

[Comartemis]

Originally Posted by arkhangelsk

Actually, the films show exactly how it is possible to square the circle, to give fighters a chance to show their worth w/o making them some kind of capship shield pummeler.

They sink ships both in novels and film, but the way they do so is Heaven and Earth. In the canon deck, it is made clear that fighters are in fact almost useless, and they do what they do under special circumstances like if the enemy is gracious enough to let you enter the innards of their ship.

Ark, you do know that there are bomber-type snubfighters, right? If starfighters were really so useless against capital ships, they wouldn't be in use; it would just be capital ships and other capital ships. Fighters have their uses because they can mount weapons like proton torpedoes, proton bombs, concussion missiles, and assault concussion missiles, which do have a significant impact on the well-being of enemy ships, while being too small for the main guns of a capital ship to target; you need either point-defense lasers or snubfighters of your own. True, lasers are pretty much useless against capital ships, but the solid munitions are a whole 'nother ball game. And don't get me started on assault fighters like the Skipray Blastboat.



You know, the more I think of my characters as being part of a squadron, the easier it is for me to tone them down without feeling like I'm screwing them over. Twelve A, AA, and AAA-ranks is a force to be reckoned with by anyone's measure, now I just need to come up with balanced ideas and and fit them all together.

[Kagerou]

Bahhhh

Er, that is.
MSLN Episode 3 has been released in its entirety. Find it here and here!

[Wild Goose]

Don't forget the missile boat. It was entirely geared around the idea of missile bukakke.

Anyway, Comar, some suggestions:

Since homing rounds are more complex, you'll need a time hit. Fate whipped out Genocide Shift but not how long her prep time was, as well as she was using smaller bolts. If you want more bolts, you'll have to sacrifice on the homing.

Logically, less shots means more accurate homers.

And I can't really think of anything to say and maybe i'll reply in a while later and I'm sorry if i came across as bullying, but when I saw that you said you didn't want to compromise I had an overreaction.

[tshouryuu]

Originally Posted by stormturmoil

Strange...I've never listened, and I've never compromised either...and yet the haxbusters have always left me alone...

wait...that's because I'm not on enough, because my character is kept out in the dark not treading on toes, and because most of it gets retconned by myself even before it hits the board. But even more to the point, it's because I don't really care. Even so, I'll say this:

If any so-called 'haxxbuster' tried to BULLY me like you do in this post, I'd IGNORE them. If they kept trying, I'd keep ignoring them.

Remember, the power of Haxbusting only works if the person you're trying to help actually wants to listen. If not, all they have to do is ignore you, and then what will you do?

Answer: you won't do anything because you CAN'T. If they don't choose to listen, you CAN'T make them. worse, they might choose to leave, and that'd be the OC's loss, not theirs. Moreover, if people are being scared away, the mods might close the thread entirely, ending the whole Hax vs non-hax argument for good.

so tone down the attitude, Goose.

In my defence, I say this about the perils of HAXX, for the benefit of Comartemis and any other newcomers:

If you feel the need to write some HAXX plot or other, DO SO. Post it. Let everyone see it. AND THEREFORE GET IT OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM.

then go back and ask yourself: would I really like my character to have to deal with THIS?

and then alter it to how you feel you need to for you to feel happy putting another character up against it.

most of all, DON'T compromise UNLESS and UNTIL you're happy with the compromise...if you feel you need to fight for a concept that others don't like the sound of at first, by all means fight for it. Don't let yourself be bullied into watering down a feature you like just because some others don't think it fits. MAKE it fit. don't drop it just because it's easier than arguing over it...argue, and hash out a middle ground.

but don't abandon something just because the haxbusters don't like the sound of it.

This is a bad thing to do Storm. I happen to think this is very bad advice. While the haxxbusters did not bust your stuff, you may want to ask yourself this. Is it because your stuff is balanced or is it they are totally ignoring you because its so haxx that its not even worth the effort to try and that you're keeping such a low profile? This board is not your's alone and what you're saying is very selfish in my opinion and almost violating the guidelines stated here by Skyfall.

If you're writing a fic, then I will agree with you since if a person doesn't like the fic, he doesn't have to read it. But what we have here is a community and hence being stubborn will just create ill will against a lot of people. If you want to power wank by creating super characters, I suggest you visit another board like spacebattles for example.

Originally Posted by Comartemis

You know, the more I think of my characters as being part of a squadron, the easier it is for me to tone them down without feeling like I'm screwing them over. Twelve A, AA, and AAA-ranks is a force to be reckoned with by anyone's measure, now I just need to come up with balanced ideas and and fit them all together.

Do you mean 12 As, 12 AAs and 12 AAAs in a squadron or 12 mages that are either A, AA or AAA rank? I'm assuming the latter. If so you still have to tone it down since RF6 if I remember correctly, after limiters has about 5 AAs, 2 As, 4 Bs and 1 C rank mages. For your Squadron, the average mage ranks will be about B+ by my estimation.

[Wild Goose]

OFM Assault Company, in comparison, has 36 mages. Of them, there is so far only 1 person above A-rank: Ivanovich. Leo Kozlov, Franz Jaeger and Chief are A-ranks and almost everyone else is B-rank (i think, need to check with Kagerou). Though I know for sure Smith, Wesson and Yuuno are above A-rank.

The Air Wing girls are a mix of A and B ranks simply because those who do mage interdiction and dogfighting have to be A-rank, while those who're ground support can afford to be B-rank.

[Tk3997]

Just some random comments before I get back to the crap storm I seem to have accidentally stirred up. Keroko is asleep anyway and though I'm loath to give it I suppose Ark deserves a response, or I might just go to sleep myself (I only slept like six hours today).

First off on Haxx, there is such a thing as going too far. Trust me I know and a part of Haxx busting is to know when to give a guy a little slack to allow for an interesting idea to be attempted. An example is awhile ago I had a small debate with Jimmy, but after making some comments on the system I basiclly said "I have some reservations, but we'll see how it acutally works in practice and you should perhaps think about these points." it ended agreeably and I think we both got some interesting thoughts from the discussion.

Haxx busting shouldn't be about attacking the other guy or belittling his ideas that's not that point and breeds bad blood and if it disproportionately applied to newbies scares them off and running off newbies is a slow death for any shared universe. I'll admit I've been only tenuously tracking this entire mess (I'll perhaps look more closely now), and so can't clearly say whose right and wrong here, but as I've said before never take anything TOO seriously people including yourself.

The point of what I tried to do here wasn't necessarily ever aimed at reducing power levels (though that was a rather probable side effect) it was mostly trying to get people to stay inside the lines of canon a bit and THINK THROUGH what they were doing. Sometimes I can be blunt about it, but as I've said repeatedly I'm not out to get people I just want them to fully consider what they're doing and how it squares with the framework we all basiclly by default agree to operate under (namely Nanoha canon). I also try not to just destroy ideas without offering any alternative. (though sometimes an idea is just bad and frankly shouldn't be done, even good authors come up with bombs now and again.)

Above all though you HAVE to remain a bit detached from all this when you start getting personal it's easy to become overzealous and too aggressive with people; reprimand when they deserve, not just because you don't like them or based on past history. Sometimes blunt and a tad brutal tactics are called for, but these ought to be exception gentler persuasion and suggesting alternatives more in line with the thread and canons premise should be the first option.

Some Munchkins are simply Munchkins and they won't ever learn, but you must never confuse a good meaning but somewhat inexperienced player with the former. I think Coma is mostly the later although with some slightly Munchkinish properties, but that's not uncommon among newbies. He should be dissuaded of such tendencies yes, but I think the hostility level here might be a bit overdone. I'm rather proud of some of what we've managed to do in this thread, with help from many others, let's not ruin it by becoming... overzealous and start attacking our own shadows in some sort of Hax witch hunt. Above all this thread ought to be about telling interesting stories and if a charater in a good story happens to be a little Hax... Well nothing can ever be perfect.

Seriously guys calm down a bit, step back, and try to look at this objectively is what Coma is proposing REALLY so bad as to warrant this level of sometimes nitpicky attack?

*Tk get's off his soap box*

That said Corm your ideas on how the Nanoha multi-verse work are... flawed IMO. I'll admit I acutally did something kind of similar myself in the past, but I've acutally been trying to downplay it recently (Administered World 82 is a very thinly disguised take off of SG-1 Earth). Basically in my view and many others the other universe factor should not be used as cheap excuse for blantant shameless crossovers. This thread is about OCs in the Nanoha universe not crossovers. It's tempting to do I know, but I think that if you really want a huge straight up crossover you should consider taking your fic else where as that's really not going to get much support here.

Adaptations are perfectly acceptable, but straight out crossovers of other series canon characters are largely frowned upon now, and for good reason IMO not least of all because allot of universes would be WAY overpowered compared to Nanoha. I know it might seem a tad weak to preach "do as I say, not as I do." but really that's what I'm saying here straight up crossovers should just be avoided. That said this dosen't mean that many concepts and such can't be ported in a manner that makes them more viable inside Nanoha canon, which IS pretty flexible.

As and example I present you a profile of a planet I recently worked up, this is world is important in the back story of several of my OC who are loosely based on Ace Combat characters if you know the plot of that game this will be familiar, but you'll note that details and have been swapped about to make it fit the verse not the other way around. The theme is maintained as are many of the important events, but it also makes sense in canon.

Spoiler for Adminstered World 273:

Administered World 273, Usea:

History:
Usea is one of the most recent planets to join the TSAB (Officially integrated 15 years ago), but it has a history connected to inter-dimensional politics dating back considerably further. The planet was colonized centuries ago by various groups from the ancient Belkan Empire. Always a tad remote and never of major important the planet was basiclly an unimportant backwater during that era. When the empire fell it was largely and forgotten the rulers of the planet were never all that well liked and seeing there chance various factions quickly revolted against them. The ensuing war managed to blast the colony back down to a tech level similar to the middle ages much of the rest of the former empire would follow it’s lead and in the ensuing centuries pretty much all records of the planet, even of it’s existence where destroyed.

The civil war ultimately proved indecisive and the various factions, having destroyed most of the technology and resources they had been fighting over to start with, eventually quieted down and dispersed most founding there own kingdoms in various regions around the worlds main continent. Over the centuries these grew into nations in and of themselves, but the petty rivals kicked off by the civil war never truly ended and merely shifted into “normal” wars border skirmishes were routine and regional wars over territory, resources, or sometimes even just naked attempts to try and destroy rivals were common. Map makes where never idle as borders seemed to shift with the seasons… Often literally in many cases as they’d often surge during spring campaigns only for most of the gains to be lost when colder weather arrived.

Through it all though the civilization as a whole continued to claw it’s way back toward it’s previous level and even began surpassing it in some ways. Contempt for any sort of copy rights or patent law and liberal use of industrial espionage assured new advances where quickly disseminated around the planet. As the technology level rose though power blocks began to solidify and grow in size improved communications made enforcing control at a distance easier and improved transportation linked empires together more tightly. Slowly the many smaller nations began to be absorbed into progressively larger state.

The nation of Belka was one of those powers it had always been fairly powerful and as technology allowed it, it had aggressively expanded. It had always claimed itself as the rightful and true rulers of the planet and just as often claimed that its royal family could be traced directly back to the last rulers of the planet during the days of the empire. 300 years is a long time though and a lack of any outside contact meant that many people were skeptical of the tales of a long ago glorious empire.

Whatever the truth might be there rhetoric and effectively stated goal of conquering the planet to either strike out and rejoin the empire or try and start there own (rather more likely) meant that a large scale conflict between them and a number of the other large powers was basiclly a matter of time. Still for quite a while the leadership of the nation seemed willing to bide there time and wait for there chance rather then trying to force the issue.

That all began to change about 25 years ago though a series of poor political leaders and several diplomatic set backs seriously damaged the economy. In the midst of this a number of the border states, many of whom had been forced into the nation in times when the state was rather less concerned with it’s image, sensed weakness and succeed. This aggravated the crisis and the economy went into an nose dive… then it got worse.

Turns out the story WHERE true there had been a huge empire back in the olden days, of coruse it was dead and buried. The replacement state had rather different ideals then the old empire. Feeling that now was the last chance to unify the planet and resist this new outside force and further frustrated with what they saw as spineless leaders a faction of the government seized control of the government in a coup that while not exactly bloodless wasn’t all that destructive. Claiming to have acted to restore Belkan pride and to finally reclaim there true place as rulers of the planet they quickly and expertly whipped the population in a patriotic fervor playing up the threat of the TSAB heavily and using it as a excuse for unifying the planet by force if needed to “resist” the “inevitable invasion”.

The TSAB watched all this with more then a little queasiness number of recent first contacts and attempts to intervene on non-administered worlds had ended very badly. Eurasia in particular was still a warzone and sucking resources like a bleeding wound. Not wanting to get involved in another potential quagmire or make things even worse the TSAB basiclly adopted a “not our problem, ignore it” stance with regards to the planet. This accomplished nothing expect convincing the newly christened “Neo-Belkan Empire” that the TSAB was also spineless and wouldn’t oppose them. Thus assured they promptly invaded most of there neighbors in a mammoth blitzkrieg and touched off a world war.

The TSAB still refused to be involved and its only action was to assign a few old patrols ships to monitor the planet and make sure no one tried to exploit the situation. This proved woefully ineffective as both sides quickly sent out a call’s for mercenaries and weapons via unofficial channels and said Mercs and weapons flooded the system. It’s often rumored that a number of the captains, most of them not exactly the cream of the naval crop, assigned to the blockade were basiclly doing everything besides landing acutally cargo themselves to help the smugglers in exchange for rather exorbitant bribes.

Whatever the case might have been the blockade was basiclly totally ineffective and soon besides what the belligerents own factories and academies where churning out the battlefields where also flooded with mercenaries, magi-tech, and all manner of illegal weapons. The slaughter that ensued recalled some of the worst of the wars that lead to the creation of the TSAB entire cities were bombed to rubble, populations displaced if not outright killed, and scorched earth was the rule rather the exception. Hundreds of thousands were dead within weeks, millions within the first few months as the entire continent became engulfed in the conflagration.

But near religious dose not victory make and the war turned against the NBE fairly quickly there advances where halted and began to be driven back. Within a year or so all war gains where lost, most of the southern part of the nation was overrun, and the military was nearing total collapse. As the allied forces pushed forward again intent on breaking the back of there enemy once and for all the war reached its final tragic crescendo as the Belkan detonated a series of enhanced nuclear bombs as the allied forces penetrated there lines. The fact these lines ran through and just outside a half dozen or so major cites seemed to not concern them much. Millions died in second and they where the lucky ones as the fall out and radiation would claim millions more in a considerably slower and more painful way over the next few months.

Unbelievably the plan almost worked the blasts devastated most of the allied forces best units and worn out and shell shocked they seemed willing to sue for peace. But it wasn’t to be and ultimately it was acutally there undoing the act was so grievous the TSAB simply could not ignore it and finally entered the war, on the allied side. Faced with the choice of orbital bombardment or surrender the population finally snapped and turned on there leaders ousting them and forcing a new government to surrender. The TSAB wasn’t in a very forgiving mood though and feeling there work done by simply stopping the war simply left it to the various parties involved to sort out the aftermath: they might as well have tossed the Belkan’s to a back of wolves.

To call the terms and treatment of the former NBE “harsh” after the war would be a grievous understatement. The occupation bordered on barbaric with shootings, beatings, air strikes against sometimes unarmed civilians commonplace if they showed any signs of resistance. Needless to say this spawned the resistance it was meant to crush and the occupied territories quickly became a hive of insurgents and guerillas. The various powers involved, there common enemy gone, meanwhile turned on each other and spent more time squabbling and trying to snap up pieces of the conquered for themselves then trying to deal with the problem or control there troops. The fact many of those troops where conscripts hastily drafted to replace the losses to the bombs hardly helped.

Overtime the situation improved marginally and after a decade the occupation ended with about a third of pre-war Belka retained by the various powers. “New Belka” as it was now called was allowed to become technically independent again, but is now basiclly a mess the central government is weak and various factions have almost total control of there local areas. No one else seems to really care and so New Belka continues to lurch along unable to even control its own population and a pale shadow of its former self.

In the meantime the TSAB somewhat reluctantly took the world into the fold, after forcing the various belligerents to disarm. The world is still feeling the after effects of the war though and the various “winners” are still recovering themselves. Overall it produces little and contributes little to the TSAB basiclly it just sort of exists and has assumed it’s old role in the former empire once more; little thought of backwater.

You might find some of our informal norms a bit chaffing at first, but IMO allot of them are for the best and based on our past experience and they still allow ALLOT of leeway if you get a bit creative instead of just trying to bum rush ahead with your original ideas refusing to change them.

Originally Posted by LimitedEternal

Now that you mention it, there isn't much real dogfighting in the series, is there?

Am I like the only person that noticed this fact or something?

Somehow, I think getting Tesla drunk the honest way might be a better option...not that I'm eager to try.

You'd probably have to survive me too as I'm not big on guys that attempt to inebriate women to take advantage of them...

Well, by your own admission, you're a fan of long-range combat.

I suppose, but seriously sometimes it seems like I'm the only guy that wants to do anything beisdes charge at the enemy with a mighty battle cry or stand still and spam beams... =/

They're gonna be in trouble when the "fuck fair play" alien race comes along...

Well there is a chance they could run across someone with a more healthy doctrine that isn't a bunch of conquering dicks and adapt as well. After all there's no reason some other insetllar power has to be mad cackling conquers after all. I acutally use this approach in my crack verse basiclly a tech heavy (and magic poor) nter-dimensional power meets the TSAB and while both consider the others approach a tad odd being fairly reasonable sorts they don't just declare war on each other or something. Others aren't so nice, but exposure to other ways of doing things prepares both of them better for such things.

Just keep slogging through it. It's the end of my semester here, so I'm busier than normal too.

like I said my classes this semester turned out to be pretty much no brainers I've acutally been kind of bored.

Originally Posted by Kha

We cook up our own acronyms, so RL acronyms leave us puzzled, or guessing off the mark. I missed the Pecular in SOPMOD.

*yawns away tinnitus from yell*

Hey I was just asking nicely. Okay, so Steel Talons and SOPCC for the TSAB. Fitting, since I AM bringing in Jack O'Neil for Rebuilt.

Permission granted on that by the way and thanks for the heads up. But na like I've said before all my characters are open for use so long as they're kept reasonably IC in said use.

Just too bad that O'Niel's Mammoth won't have railguns... >.>

Wait he has MARV.

He won't care what guns it has so long as they're big and Honkin'.

Originally Posted by arkhangelsk

Actually, the films show exactly how it is possible to square the circle, to give fighters a chance to show their worth w/o making them some kind of capship shield pummeler.

They sink ships both in novels and film, but the way they do so is Heaven and Earth. In the canon deck, it is made clear that fighters are in fact almost useless, and they do what they do under special circumstances like if the enemy is gracious enough to let you enter the innards of their ship. Or create special holes for you to hit. Or have the shields downed by other capships (made very clear in the novelization).

In the games, you just shoot protorps.

This much we can agree on the EU totally departed from the movies and wanked fighters to an insane degree. Just look at the Battle of Naboo they're pounding off torps all over and the Trade Fed ship is tanking them easily and those are converted freighters basically glorified Q-Ships. Star Wars in general has one of the weakest justification for Fighters in sci-fi. They seem to exist mainly to fly into insanely overpowered super weapons and blow them up and to fight each other and only survive because Caps ships are apparently forbidden by law from mounting effective AA guns...

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...space_fighters
That about sums it up.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

But it's so fun to make your eyes spin! XD (Besides this was a lot calmer than if TK unleashed his guns on you.)

Acutally I should blast you too since you basiclly just said you're going to take one of my OC groups and split it apart without even asking. As above though yes you may do so.

2 L. O'Neill with 2 l. There's another O'Neil with only 1 L, he has no sense of humor.

Acutally this one is back to one L in a lame attempt to make him "different" then the real SG-1 version.

Originally Posted by Kha

Yes indeed, though not so much for Nanoha. >.>

Ah I see...

But so much more GAR.

*runs*

Got it.

O'Neil isn't GAR nor is that where he draws his mad skillz from, no he has the power of SNARK.

Originally Posted by Kagerou

That doesn't explain your Vita fetish.

*RUNS FASTER*

Originally Posted by LimitedEternal

Oh, well played.

*joins Kagerou in running*

Originally Posted by Evangelion Xgouki

Better run faster

They shouldn't bother they'll only die tired.

And besides it's not like those two aspects are the only things that can make someone likable to me for instance...

Blatant Gratuitous Overkill is another thing I happen to enjoy.

*Tk wanders up to the smoking remains of of LE and Kagerou and starts monologuing*

Spoiler for Tk rambles aimlessly about himself due to a lack of sleep:

But beyond that I have my reasons in public I tend to be fairly quiet and get my jobs done as best I can, and that's how I like other people as well. I've even had someone at work (who was working on our shift temporarily since we where horrendously short) after like three nights together say flat out. "You don't talk very much do you?"

To which I responded simply. "I talk when I have something to say."

People that are lazy, or that chatter too much, or don't pay attention annoy me to no end. I worked at UPS on the Midnight Shift for 8 months five days a week, I missed three days and was almost always the first person to arrive every night. Meanwhile the idiots around me would vanish for days at a time with not even a call, but they wouldn't fire them because they where already desperately short of people. So they just worked everyone else harder half the time I didn't even get to do my real job as they sent my to help other areas with there work (this always meant it was overloaded and so twice as hard as what I normally did). That was why I left in the end I felt I, no KNEW, I was working twice as hard as the other shits around me for the same or less pay.

My next job was at a Supermarket I worked in the General Merchandising section which consisted of me, and... me. Yeah, well okay I had a manger too who was almost never around. It was "part time", but I tended to work 35 to 39 hours a week basiclly just few enough so that they didn't need to pay or give me benefits like a full time employee. Then in the middle of my tenure the manger of the section had a death in the family and was absent so I was basiclly running the entire section for like a month while making 8.50 and hour. Of course despite the fact I was the only damn guy in my section they still sent me around to help others with five times as many people (which admittedly only meant five guys) when they fell behind.

"Oh no problem I've only got five fucking U-Boats of shit sitting in the back waiting to get stocked, but I'll come help you lazy fucks at the registers who sit around picking your asses half the day and then during the one hour when you're acutally vaugely busy fall behind and let huge lines build up in a matter of minutes."

So yeah at work or in school, despite my better judgment, I tend to work my ass off, keep my mouth shut, and just try to learn and do the job as best I can.

Despite this I somehow still scare people with one girl flat out saying to me face in an English "you should do a project that's gory and scary, since you're scary!" this would be bad enough, but then other people started nodding in agreement with her! I was THIS close to executing a real life face plant. Then more recently some people in my class were worried because of the way I was playing with my cellphone, basiclly once or twice I held it in my hand like a little pistol and waved it around a bit. Apparently this was sufficiently terrifying that they felt I was going to go Whitman on them or something.

So maybe that's the "Tesla" side of me.

At home or with family it's an entirely different story...

The first panel is pretty much me after dinner only replace "Go shopping" with "help clean up" and the TV with a computer monitor. (even the part about being and Adult and so how you should be helping). My mother would also often make comments to the effect of "Muffled grunts are not an acceptable answer to a question." if I have a catchphrases it's probably something to the effect of "uhah"

"You want to come shipping with us?"
"uhah"

"Are you going to clean this damn room anytime soon?"
"uhah"

"Dinner is ready are you coming?"
"uhah"

"Whatever" is another common response and just ask anyone that's been on IRC a bit about my temper... We had a nice long discussion about that. Suffice to say that getting me mad wasn't a good idea a few years ago and it wasn't hard either and the results were rarely pretty. I'm more even keeled now but I still tend to snipe allot and my own mother has called me quote "mean" on occasion.

I tend to swing between these two ends sometimes more of the former sometimes more of the later, but both of them have there upsides and good points and I can like characters on both ends of the spectrum (snide and a tad mean, and cool and hard working). They did once think I was bi-polar, right after they said I had ADD and before they said it was Aspergers. (Though my own personal diagnosis is that I was severe case of being fucked up in the head.)

Also if you read all that shit you can see I can and often do analyze ANYTHING in insane detail.

[Wild Goose]

Just a quick thing: all mentions of splitting SOPCC are still unconfirmed at this moment...

But even if it splits into PCC and SOCOM, O'Neil will still be running it. ^^;;

[Comartemis]

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Though I know for sure Smith, Wesson and Yuuno are above A-rank.

*Massive spittake*

Yuuno?! Mr. I-Can't-Even-Turn-On-A-Device is an A-rank?! Where's your evidence?

Do you mean 12 As, 12 AAs and 12 AAAs in a squadron or 12 mages that are either A, AA or AAA rank? I'm assuming the latter. If so you still have to tone it down since RF6 if I remember correctly, after limiters has about 5 AAs, 2 As, 4 Bs and 1 C rank mages. For your Squadron, the average mage ranks will be about B+ by my estimation.

tshouryuu, this is supposed to be an elite squad, as in one made up of mages who have already reached "Striker" level as mages. B-ranks and below have no place in this squadron, and B+ would be the minimum acceptable rank; any lower than that and you'll be a liability to the team. As it is, Rena and Zero are the only mages in the squad who aren't flight capable, and Zero can at least imitate flight with Sky Waltz. Besides, the ranks you provided are the forwards prior to Nanoha's training regimen; by the end of StrikerS, they're supposedly AA-ranks all around. These characters I'm assembling have already been through the equivalent in their respective divisions; Rico was actually one of Nanoha's earlier students, a AAA when in unison with Nova, a AA- without her.

The squadron itself (let's call it Dragon Army, kudos if you get the reference) is composed of 4 melee specialists, 4 ranged specialists, and 4 hybrid fighters. The idea is that the melee and ranged specialists pair off and form a minister/magister relationship, with one tanking while the other bombards from range. The hybrids act as wild cards; if the shit hits the fan and a fight breaks out, they'll be all over the place acting as backup for the individual squads, usually on a one-per-unit basis, but moving around as needed.

In addition to the general specialties, however, most of the mages have a specific area of combat or noncombat operations that they specialize in. One of the ranged fighters is a sniper, one of the hybrids has support and healing magic, there's a catgirl familiar who specializes in demolition, Ciel is a hacker, etc. While the focus is on their combat abilities, these lesser traits allow them to fill a variety of rolls if the mission specs call for it.

Of particular note is a melee specialist with a new kind of device that I'd like the hackbusters to take a close look at, because I think it would make an interesting addition to OC canon; the Belkan Armored System, an experimental device setup designed to maximize the power of defensive and shield spells. It looks something like this:

Spoiler for Belkan Armored System:

[IMG][/IMG]

[ghazghkull]

Umm...Comartimes, there is an issue though about combining that many high-ranked mages into one unit. Just like how we're all trying to balance all the various characters here, the same applies to the unit.

It has even been specified in canon that with the gathering of that many mages of high rank, their overall powers must be reduced so that it meets a maximum quota. Therefore, all your characters would require to drop a rank or two by limiters, as per canon.

And as for Yuuno, despite the fact he can't use a device, there are other ways to be A Rank :3 He can easily be a A-Rank support-type fighter, which he most likely is, due to the fact that he's nutso with Support Spells, such as healing based spells, or even binding

[Jimmy C]

Comartemis, how do you define what a "Striker" is?

[Ottocycle]

Originally Posted by Comartemis

*Massive spittake*

Yuuno?! Mr. I-Can't-Even-Turn-On-A-Device is an A-rank?! Where's your evidence?

Tanking AAA+ Vita with Cartridge-Loaded-Raketen-Graf Eisen with one hand, when Nanoha failed with her vaunted AAA+. Yeah, he can't turn on a device, because he doesn't need one. :3

Sigh, how the ferret form misleads.

Originally Posted by ghazghkull

And as for Yuuno, despite the fact he can't use a device, there are other ways to be A Rank :3 He can easily be a A-Rank support-type fighter, which he most likely is, due to the fact that he's nutso with Support Spells, such as healing based spells, or even binding

Not likely, but is.