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2009-09-13, 04:55 | Link #1062 | ||
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The very fact of your own posts? Why, are you asking me to state each specific point confirming my diagnosis of your mental condition? Are you really sure that's what you want? Because you know as well as I do that I'm perfectly capable of just that, if only I can be provoked enough to get off my lazy arse.
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But to answer your question, are we going to get any real positions from my own viewpoint on this show? We already have, up to episode 7. Can I write the way I used to about this series? Perhaps, but when I've long lost the mood to do so, and when Sorrow-K pretty much says anything I would have wanted to say, I seriously can't be arsed to duplicate his comments. "going around proudly proclaiming that you'd like to unleash the inner Trollscaloth in this thread like you did last week" - really? Wow. I didn't realise I was this proactive. Did I really say anything like that in this thread....? Nope, thought not. "And seriously you've been doing that for so long that that makes the latest Dynasty Warriors look refreshing by comparison." - Really? Wow. Have I been dissing TM8 from the start? I didn't know that either. So let's see....manufacturing outright lies about me in an attempt at argumentum ad hominem tu quoque, which I guess counts as point 9 of the DSM-IV criteria for NPD, as a reaction borne out of a fit of narcissistic rage in order to cope with the narcissistic injury I caused you with my last post. I wonder if you're even realising that you're shooting yourself in the foot here. Quote:
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2009-09-13, 05:25 | Link #1063 | |
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2009-09-13, 05:33 | Link #1064 | |
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2009-09-13, 06:26 | Link #1065 | |
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Well, it's been special as always, but obviously since I can't possibly steer the conversation back to being about the show when it comes to you I have to again wonder why we are still talking here. If you really think we should be talking about DSM-IV classifications then fantastic, PM me about it and what you want to argue about that is apparently a zero-sum game (and so important) and we'll have a blast, but since you yourself admit you have nothing else to contribute about this episode then we don't need to be talking anymore. Oh and: Again when a person says something like that (even if it gets deleted) they lose a lot of credibility with me and I make a note to doubt their intentions in the future. It's nothing personal, just policy. |
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2009-09-13, 06:34 | Link #1066 |
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Do me a favor, both of you: Kaioshin and Ascaloth.... Take this argument over PM. If you continue in this fashion in the open forum, there will be no other choice but for a moderator to step in. And it won't be pretty. If I may also be blunt with an observation, you two are terrible at utilizing second-person (You) in any argument. Your respective posts sound way more personal than it should be. You two are needlessly making everyone else uncomfortable in the thread as well with how you are going back and forth. Not healthy for any good discussion or argument. Please give it a rest already.
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2009-09-13, 07:02 | Link #1067 |
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So then, now that that's settled I was hoping I could get the topic back to what I was really hoping to talk about now. The odd exchange got me wondering, and I'd kind of like to hear from others, how do people really see this ending next week? I don't mean based off of low or high expectations or whatever, but simply based on what we've seen happen so far and where it seems to be going.
Right now I've got Mirai having a brief reconciliation with the fact that Yuuki is dead and him turning out to be a part of her psyche that helps her cope with the realization and loss, followed by her reuniting with her parents. Then a year later during a memorial for the disaster victims Mirai is with her parents and they are visiting Yuuki's grave and Mari is also there with Hina to pay their respects and they do some catching up and talk about life and where there's is headed. They then go to Odaiba bridge (where Yuuki always wanted to visit again) to look at it being rebuilt and that's where the series ends, on the note of a slow recovery, but a recovery nonetheless that ties in both to the overall disaster, and to the personal one that has permeated the series as a whole. |
2009-09-13, 12:17 | Link #1068 |
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So Yuki was dead all this time? I got a feeling something was strange, but didn't Mari notice he was dead? Did he die when she was dreaming he died at the hospital or after? I always kinda forget half the episode I watch last week. -.- EDIT: Nevermind, just finished the episode. I wonder what the cause of his death was, though?
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2009-09-13, 12:21 | Link #1069 |
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hey guise this show sucks so much lets go watch one of the other super original erogame moeblob harem shows everyone loves
Seriously though, what's it with the hate. I mean, it's not an outstanding show by any means, but it's not bad either. It was a bit clichéd and tedious at first, but these latter episodes were better. I'm not entirely comfortable with how they handled Yuuki's death, but it wasn't a bad approach to take, either--just not my personal preference. PS: Knowing the Japanese, Yuuki in these latter episodes is not only meant to be Mirai's delusion but also Yuuki's spirit/will/whatever. The fact that he was the reason Mirai and Itsuki survived at the end when the house collapsed is more than proof of this. Ghosts and stuff in Japanese narrative often are represented ambiguously like this.
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2009-09-13, 12:42 | Link #1070 | ||
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2009-09-13, 13:10 | Link #1071 | |
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By the way, I'm just kidding. I understand why you feel "cheated", what I don't understand is why you thought this was going to turn out differently in the first place. The documentary part in itself is the effect of the earthquake, and the rest is just fluff to make it a worthwhile story to tell. Otherwise there would be no drama, because real life is most of times not as dramatic. And really, if you're a regular anime viewer and didn't expect the Japanese to sprinkle their metaphors and storytelling with (a sometimes subtle) spirituality, well, I guess you should watch more anime?
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2009-09-13, 13:32 | Link #1072 | |
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The only case i have seen this before was in an episode of Grace's anatomy where a guy was dared by his friend to get in a batch of fast drying cement. The guy was compressed by the cement and he seemed fine, but as soon as they started removing the cement, the poisoned blood started to shock his system. |
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2009-09-13, 13:39 | Link #1073 |
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Again, I'm seeing a severe lack of understanding the criticism of the past ten or so pages. My advice is to read through the actual complaints instead of reading how other people characterize the complaints. Maybe a closer look at some of the detailed posts leading up to and on page 46 would help. I'd say more but it seems like being in this thread anymore is like walking through a negrep minefield for even the most harmless critical posts.
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2009-09-13, 13:40 | Link #1074 | |
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2009-09-13, 13:49 | Link #1076 |
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I feel that most people would enjoy the show better if they stopped over-analyzing and just watched it as entertainment. I, for one, am not getting white hairs from Yuuki's realistic/unrealistic death argument. ^^
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2009-09-13, 14:25 | Link #1078 | |
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Quite simply, it's a fallacy to suggest that just because a show is anime, it therefore cannot be "realistic". It's an even greater fallacy to suggest that the inability to recognise this supposedly basic "fact" is a result of not watching enough anime, or more accurately, a great enough variety of Japanese animation. Granted, said "realism" can be a subjective experience, but when even supporters of this show's current direction have to debate whether Yuuki is a ghost or a hallucination, it suggests strongly that, somewhere along the line, the writers had dropped the ball. It's only a question of how badly they dropped it. If TM8 had stuck to its original premise, I daresay that such confusion wouldn't even have surfaced. Some fans remain adamant in defending the show tooth and nail, as though their very egos depended on it, while others are at least charitable enough to concede that some flaws do exist while pointing out that these blemishes have not damaged their ability to enjoy the show. In the end, I don't mind either way. I can accept that people have subjective preferences. What I don't like is when people attack others for their opinions instead of addressing the arguments they make. Earlier in the thread, Jarmel and I had similar disagreements over the supposed effectiveness of the drama and character development in this show. While our points were strongly worded, the debate was kept civil and it did not descend into petty mudslinging. In retrospect, I can even say that he made the stronger points, which I think are worth repeating: Quote:
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Given such ugliness, I would have much preferred to stay out of this thread indefinitely but, hey, since WanderingKnight decided to make a rare appearance, I thought it would be remiss of me not to seize the chance to poke fun at him while he's around. Of course, we could all make our lives a lot easier by simply refusing to think. That way, we wouldn't run the risk of over-analysing any show we watch... ...but, then, that would be an insult to both you and a show's creators, don't you think? |
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2009-09-13, 14:43 | Link #1080 |
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I don't know what people think the difference is... ghost vs delusion --- both are just projections of a distraught human memory.
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