Gundam 00 Movie: A wakening of the Trailblazer - Discussion

[Nerroth]

Do we even know how much of the galaxy the ELS had actually explored prior to reaching the Sol system?


The Milky Way is a big place...

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by Nerroth

Do we even know how much of the galaxy the ELS had actually explored prior to reaching the Sol system?

We don't.

The Milky Way is a big place...

It's also a very empty place.

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

Originally Posted by Nerroth

Do we even know how much of the galaxy the ELS had actually explored prior to reaching the Sol system?


The Milky Way is a big place...

They've been around for a long long time. They probably didn't cover every square foot of the galaxy. But they probably covered a good amount.

[SonicSP]

I wold say they covered very lttle given how big the whole galaxy is, but it's hard to tell. They have covered a lot of places though, whether it's most or not it's hard to tell. The galaxy is fricking huge place.

[Shiryuu]

Is the end of the movie just Marina and robo Setsuna just hugging? Or was there more to it after?

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Shiryuu

Is the end of the movie just Marina and robo Setsuna just hugging? Or was there more to it after?

Well there was also the ELS 00 Qan[T] but no, that's pretty much the ending.

[Shiryuu]

I'm surprised none of the CB members were seen on Sumeragi. They had more exposure to pure GN particles than anyone on the planet.

[Rising Dragon]

There was, at the very least, one more war between the ELS contact and the epilogue, so a few of them might not have survived. That said, there was another Sumeragi-class starship called the Tieria, and they may have been on that.

[Shiryuu]

Setsuna would've stopped it himself if there was another war, so I doubt that.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Shiryuu

Setsuna would've stopped it himself if there was another war, so I doubt that.

Setsuna did help stop the war, but that doesn't detract from the fact that it still happened. There were more Innovators during the war, as well as modified humans and pseudo-Innovators that used Gadelazas, so it was a nasty war.

[SonicSP]

Originally Posted by Shiryuu

I'm surprised none of the CB members were seen on Sumeragi. They had more exposure to pure GN particles than anyone on the planet.

Well, its a big ship so they could be there.

Of course, there are many unknown factors that determine the rate of Innovation, its not just time of particle exposure (specifically its Trans-Am Particles that Innovate, but that's all we know). There are likely many other circumstantial and biological factors that would take into account. For example, not long before the movie some people have already completed their Innovation and some are well on their way there because of 00 Raiser's Trans-Am Burst of S224 (according to Senki Mission 4 chapter), yet none of the crew of the Ptolemaios are shown to have even begun Innovating. If they did, they would have been much more affected by the ELS's QBW like so many civilians are shown to have been in the movie. Most of these civilians are less exposed to Trans-Am Particles and most of them are likely even further away from the point of origin of Trans-Am Burst than the Ptolemaios was. This means that the rate of progress of Innovation is determined by a lot of other factors, likely genetic/epigenetic possibly.

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Setsuna did help stop the war, but that doesn't detract from the fact that it still happened. There were more Innovators during the war, as well as modified humans and pseudo-Innovators that used Gadelazas, so it was a nasty war.

I think your confusing the Old Human Faction War with the one mentioned at the end of the movie novel. The Old Human Faction war happened not long after the movie, while the other only happened after Setsuna returns. Setsuna was not around at the moment in time for the former since he's still missing from his leave at the end of the pre-epilogue movie. The final 00N chapter mentions that he only returns during the same day that the Sumeragi is set to leave Earth, though this is attributed to a coincidence.

The war mentioned at the end of the novel is not elaborated. We only know that Setsuna fights it alongside Billy's son or something. The enemy and the circumstances are not mentioned. It could either local or extraterrestial for all we know.

I vaguely remember that it also mentioned some members of CB joined this battle as well, but I'm not too sure about this part, a bit fuzzy regarding this point.

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

Huh...so if the Old Faction War ever got animated...who would be the main protagonist? Tieria?

[Shiryuu]

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

Huh...so if the Old Faction War ever got animated...who would be the main protagonist? Tieria?

Lyle.

Just read some info on OHF in gundam wiki. The ELS kicked a pure innovator's ass on a gadelezza. I doubt incomplete ones could be as good in it or would have stood a chance.

From what I can understand. Most of the people became innovators by merging with the ELS.

[SonicSP]

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

Huh...so if the Old Faction War ever got animated...who would be the main protagonist? Tieria?

Tieria's status is a bit unknown now, considering he left with Setsuna to meet the ELS. And it's impossible to say whether the Veda link can be kept at such huge distances; of which I rally reckon it can't.

Judging by the only current ony chapter depicting it, I would say Amy Zimbalist. But then again, it really feels like a boring war at the moment. I'm hoping the anti ELS/Innovator faction put up a decent fight, it would make the ulimate change that eventually happens all the more meaningful, even I they are in the minority.

Originally Posted by Shiryuu

Lyle.

Just read some info on OHF in gundam wiki. The ELS kicked a pure innovator's ass on a gadelezza. I doubt incomplete ones could be as good in it or would have stood a chance.

Some did it through that, some others became
From what I can understand. Most of the people became innovators by merging with the ELS.

Some did, some others became previously so via TAB. Considering that the ELS liked to go after people with high QBW, some of those that they assimiliated were probably well on their way anyways.

I think I need to look at the Final Mechanics Innovato chart again. Setsuna's final form is classified as a different type than all others IIRC.

Also, the ELS are not involved in the OHF war I believe. The "Gadelaza" Senki chapter mentions that they were pretty much indifferent to the fact that a whole group of people hate their guts and want them gone alongside the Innovators. In other words they could not care less about it.

[Shiryuu]

Since they're merging with the ELS, some of the genuine innovators who fought the war would have access to ELS tech/abilities.

[SonicSP]

The only known description we have of the war thus far appears to be good old mobile weapons battles, namely the Advanced GN-X, GN-XIV Core Fighters, Raphael Dominions and Gadelazas. It appears to be for all intents and purposes a human war. There's no evidenc so far that any ELS tech had been created, being so soon after the movie. Such endeavor would likely take more time. Even if some of the hybrid Innovators actually fight the war, it's far different than having the ELS actually participating in it, since most of the damage (especially to the Gadelaza) caused in the movie was done by their large forces. And they have opted to stick this one out.

This is not to say that the Anti faction is not at a disadvantage though, their main disadvantage is in their numbers because the "Core Fighter" Senki chapter mentions that they represent only a small part of the ESFA. I'm guessing the war may eventually be solved with another Trans-Am Burst...........as soon as somebody creates a new Twin Drive pair that is.

[grylsyjaeger]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Well there was also the ELS 00 Qan[T] but no, that's pretty much the ending.

Which is a take on the ED2 from S2 with Gundam 00 (Or is it Exia?) covered in flowers.


I've pretty much watched all fifty episodes and the movie in the last two and a half weeks.

And I have to say it's been quite a fantastic ride but this movie... I don't know if it's from watching everything in such a short period of time but I feel the movie was a bit of a let down compared to everything I've watched.

It just felt too rushed with so many unanswered questions by the movie's conclusion. Mainly I just wanted to some sort of closure surrounding the members of CB.

Regardless, the message from Gundam 00 is something all of humanity should come to understand.


One thing I'm wondering though concerning Feldt/Setsuna (fan here!), when the ELS turn into a yellow desert flower like the one Feldt gave Setsuna, do you think he was finally saying thank you?

Or did they just choose to mimic one of the most harmless (bar roses!) objects on Earth?

[kakakka]

They chose one thing that represent ''peace'' inside Setsuna's mind.

[SonicSP]

Originally Posted by fallschirmjager

Which is a take on the ED2 from S2 with Gundam 00 (Or is it Exia?) covered in flowers.


I've pretty much watched all fifty episodes and the movie in the last two and a half weeks.

And I have to say it's been quite a fantastic ride but this movie... I don't know if it's from watching everything in such a short period of time but I feel the movie was a bit of a let down compared to everything I've watched.

It just felt too rushed with so many unanswered questions by the movie's conclusion. Mainly I just wanted to some sort of closure surrounding the members of CB.

Regardless, the message from Gundam 00 is something all of humanity should come to understand.


One thing I'm wondering though concerning Feldt/Setsuna (fan here!), when the ELS turn into a yellow desert flower like the one Feldt gave Setsuna, do you think he was finally saying thank you?

Or did they just choose to mimic one of the most harmless (bar roses!) objects on Earth?

Setsuna has had that symbolism following him all these years, its very important to him. That's probably why the ELS chose it, especially if they knew from their interaction with Setsuna that it was representing peace to him.

Speaking of which, bar the fate of CB's members, what questions do you have? There's a lot of stuff only elaborated in side materials/sidestories though. I will say that we still do not know the fate of the CB members as of now.

[SonicSP]

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From Homeless. Its from the 00N compilation book.

I like it how they are all running from something.