Lucky Star - Episode 04 Discussion / Poll

[Narumi]

Originally Posted by Fixen

Crayon Shin-Chan, which a.f.k. managed to integrate into the dialog.

It could have been worked in (and at one point I had indeed replaced 'him' with 'Shin') but since in Japanese the dialogue wasn't as blatent, we chose to let the viewer figure it out.

As for the idea of t/l notes, I'm not a fan of more text on screen than necessary...

[aorta]

Originally Posted by Willen

Reading this may help: http://basic1.easily.co.uk/04F022/036051/Cuties.html
Yes, Akira says, "Akira mamosureppi." Listen closely.

Thanks for the explanation. It kind of reminds of the -pyon endings used in FLCL. These kinds of things never work well in subtitles.

[Vexx]

I'm still trying to figure out what it is that Kona discovered during the birthday cake eating segment. She says she discovered another facet of Kagamin's charm... but I can't figure it out unless Kagamin just eats strawberries in some sensual way by Kona's standards. Kagamin certainly is orally fixated (always something in her mouth ... pocky, hashi, etc)

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by Vexx

No... I thought that as I was writing it ("catfight"). I'm just glad they got the SHnY refs done and out of the way so the "sees Haruhi in everything" people can take drugs. They put them in such a way that someone who'd never heard of SHnY would just say "she's watching some anime, eh? that had some filler in it" and just figure she was torturing Kagami with an Brigade Chief armband since she's so bossy.

Something tells me they aren't done with the Haruhi references (And one thing is for sure they do exist, but the only one's that actually are Haruhi references are the one's that are blatantly obvious and not for example the school uniform, which doesn't resemble the North High uniform at all or, "Wow hey Konata's the next Haruhi since they are both voiced by Aya Hirano". They are nothing alike. bleh!). However, the mere mention of the show even in passing is enough to enrapture an entire segment of Japan's population so I think at most they will just tone it down. If they ditch those they might be in hot water.

[Meophist]

Originally Posted by Vexx

I'm still trying to figure out what it is that Kona discovered during the birthday cake eating segment. She says she discovered another facet of Kagamin's charm... but I can't figure it out unless Kagamin just eats strawberries in some sensual way by Kona's standards. Kagamin certainly is orally fixated (always something in her mouth ... pocky, hashi, etc)

I was thinking it had to do with the first episode.

[Risaa]

Originally Posted by Vexx

I'm still trying to figure out what it is that Kona discovered during the birthday cake eating segment. She says she discovered another facet of Kagamin's charm... but I can't figure it out unless Kagamin just eats strawberries in some sensual way by Kona's standards. Kagamin certainly is orally fixated (always something in her mouth ... pocky, hashi, etc)

I probably missed something... why the change to "Kagamin"?

In agreement with Kaioshin_Sama-san. XD I think, sad to say, that it would be in their best interests to keep adding Haruhi references. It can only boost Lucky*Star popularity, and even Haruhiists who don't care for Lucky*Star would want to watch it for the references. Personally I'd want to see more references from smaller series; series in which only true *OTAKU!* would get.

I'm a bit ermmhh about Lucky Channel this time. I hope something definitely changes with the next coming episodes. (Although.. Akira-sama still makes for some good icons. )

[Vexx]

"Kagamin" is Konata's twisted way of addressing Kagami ... I won't even try to decipher the honorific combination that led to it

[arias]

Originally Posted by Risaa

I probably missed something... why the change to "Kagamin"?

Kagami-chan
.
.
Kagami-chin
.
.
Kagamin

[Fixen]

Originally Posted by Vexx

I'm still trying to figure out what it is that Kona discovered during the birthday cake eating segment. She says she discovered another facet of Kagamin's charm... but I can't figure it out unless Kagamin just eats strawberries in some sensual way by Kona's standards. Kagamin certainly is orally fixated (always something in her mouth ... pocky, hashi, etc)

I'm more confused about the faces Kona makes while watching Kagami. They don't make sense at all.

I'm willing to bet that it's a far more blatant Crayon Shin-chan reference than it seems but I don't know that show very well. All I remember from watching it several times when I was little was that its humor is a bit off my age range.

[Risaa]

Originally Posted by arias

Kagami-chan
.
.
Kagami-chin
.
.
Kagamin

Thanks for explaining how she got to Kagamin... I admit I haven't been paying attention to how Kona addresses Kagami ever since I heard "Kagamiya"; now, no matter how Kona - or anyone else - addresses Kagami, my brain changes it to "Kagamiya" complete with Kona's nyaa voice.

[Fixen]

Originally Posted by Risaa

Thanks for explaining how she got to Kagamin... I admit I haven't been paying attention to how Kona addresses Kagami ever since I heard "Kagamiya"; now, no matter how Kona - or anyone else - addresses Kagami, my brain changes it to "Kagamiya" complete with Kona's nyaa voice.

I'm sorry, but I think I'll copy you on that one.

[Skane]

Originally Posted by Onniguru

Those weren't the only references.

In one of Konata's excuses to her sensai, she met a girl (Aya from KANON) who had just stolen Takoyaki [sic? sic means mispelling] and she, Konata (ie: Kion), helped her escape in the same way Kion helped her escape in KANON.

OBJECTION!

That is not what "sic" means!

"Sic" is a word used to indicate that you have quoted a word/phrase as originally written/said; and so if there are any grammatical errors, it was intentional.

Under your example, you are implying with certainty that Konata said "Takoyaki" in her dialogue, which is absolutely false.

If you wish to indicate your uncertainty on the spelling of a word, just try using the following method instead,

~
had just stolen Takoyaki(spelling?) and she
~

~~~~ ~~~~

Other corrections,

Sensei, not Sensai.
Ayu, not Aya.
Misspelling, not mispelling.
Kyon, not Kion.
Yuuichi is the male protagonist in Kanon, not Kyon.

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

~
I have to say this about Lucky Channel. Kyoto Animation doesn't have all that much experience with original material and the one episode of Haruhi they wrote specifically for the anime they just panned themselves here.
~

If you speak of Ep09(14), it was not KyoAni who wrote the script, but the novel's author himself. When it comes to their novel adaptations, KyoAni usually gets the author's participation so as to retain story consistency.

Cheers.

[Risaa]

Originally Posted by Skane

Misspelling, not mispelling.

How ironic, yo.

Just a little note, what I always do when I don't know the spelling is I add a "(sp?)" after the word, like so:

[naninani] mispelling (sp?) [naninani]

[Kyuusai]

Originally Posted by Skane

OBJECTION!

Easy there, Naruhodou.

[Vexx]

Final note on 4: thorough Kagami cuteness while she was reading in bed because she couldn't sleep. For some reason sleeplessness is a running theme in the manga, virtually all the characters suffer from it.

[cardslash02]

Hey, is backgrounds n stuff really being outsourced to studios in Korea? Does anyone know details abotu that?

[Willen]

Originally Posted by aorta

Thanks for the explanation. It kind of reminds of the -pyon endings used in FLCL. These kinds of things never work well in subtitles.

Glad to help.

Sometimes I'm surprised at what my rudimentary knowledge of Japanese + my knowledge of J-Pop idol Noriko Sakai + my Google skills can come up with.

It's pop-culture stuff like this that makes language translation difficult.

EDIT: watching the ending again, I noticed that Minoru says, "... tada Norippigo ima toki wakarana to omoimasu." in the Lucky Channel outro. (a.f.k. again uses 'cowabunga' as a substitute to get the joke across.)

[Risaa]

Originally Posted by Vexx

Final note on 4: thorough Kagami cuteness while she was reading in bed because she couldn't sleep. For some reason sleeplessness is a running theme in the manga, virtually all the characters suffer from it.

Wouldn't that be because so many people IRL suffer from it? I'm no exception.

Originally Posted by cardslash02

Hey, is backgrounds n stuff really being outsourced to studios in Korea? Does anyone know details abotu that?

That made me smile actually... It was a while ago that I noticed Korean names appearing on Japanese anime credits*. I know someone else can explain this better, so hang on a minute... [runs off]

Spoiler for Outsourcing:

Originally Posted by http://www.riuva.com/?p=612

What is the percentage of anime work outsourced to overseas studios in China and Korea?
Traditionally, animation has always been outsourced to smaller Japanese companies, but foreign companies are increasingly competing for jobs. My observation tells me that on average more than 50% of inbetweening and coloring is outsourced, followed by 30% outsourcing of background, and 20% (and increasing) outsourcing of key animation. Some studios outsource far more than others. For example, Madhouse and GONZO outsource much of the lower animation work to Korean firms like DR Movie, Kyung Kang ANIA, Seung Bo Yeang Hang and Chinese firms like RIC, Feng Huang Dong Hua (Phoenix Animation), etc. In fact, some episodes are totally done in Korea, like Tenjou Tenge, some episodes of Death Note, and Saiunkoku Monogatari (all from Madhouse) where even the animation supervisor (sakuga kantoku) is Korean as well. Toei has outsourced virtually all of its in-betweening, coloring and background to Toei Animation Phillipines(TAP, aka EEI-Toei) and now TAP has 6-8 key animators too. Other firms outsource moderately (but increasingly) like Pierrot, Studio Deen, and JC Staff. Firms that do not outsource very much tend to be doing high-budget shows, e.g. Production I.G. and Kyoto Animation. As these places become increasingly expensive, production may be outsourced to other countries such as Indonesia (BJCF - Bintang Jenaka Cartoon Films which did part of Lost Universe, Cowboy Bebop movie, and Prince of Tennis) and Vietnam, where backgrounds for Negima? and Reideen (2007) have been made.

[Fixen]

Originally Posted by Vexx

Final note on 4: thorough Kagami cuteness while she was reading in bed because she couldn't sleep. For some reason sleeplessness is a running theme in the manga, virtually all the characters suffer from it.

Everybody does. Well...everybody big on Japanese culture. I forget the last time I went to bed before midnight. XD

[Vexx]

Aye... its just that this is the first time I've run across it as a "running gag" in a series (mostly manga so far, we have to wait and see if they portray all the characters having a sleepless night in the series).

In the manga, Kagami finishing her book was followed by some mild consternation that she had read til the sun came up. The anime portrayed it more as resignation about the fact.