The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 22 Discussion / Poll [2009 added ep. 12]

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Spoiler for Novel 4:

During the beginning of Novel 4, Haruhi reveals that she's sworn off alcohol consumption for herself. Given Haruhi's very playful and partying nature, this took me a bit by surprise. I think for Haruhi, though, she's done this because of her own sort of personal pride - she doesn't ever want to be drunk, and caught doing something that she'd later feel ashamed of.

Though you don't really get much indication of it, I do think that Haruhi has some firm moral convictions and principles that are important to her.

Actually, it's because of the novel's Lone Island Syndrome... one of those "I'LL NEVER DRINK AGAIN" hangovers is pretty much what caused that.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Actually, it's because of the novel's Lone Island Syndrome... one of those "I'LL NEVER DRINK AGAIN" hangovers is pretty much what caused that.

Thanks for the info. A bit disappointing that it isn't something a bit more in-depth behind her decision... but, oh well.

[Vexx]

This episode was complete win.... not even going to pick at the animation or art I was satisfied enough.

[ReneeBurossamu]

I actually think that this episode of Sighs has some better quality (in terms of plot) than most of the episodes. I've never laughed so much in one episode, and the discovery of Mikuru's LAZOR was really well done. Nagato also showed that she's capable of more than what everyone sees and her self-healing was pretty cool.

Just perfect 10. The solid art throughout was a plus.

[Roger Rambo]

So how long until we see Mikuru get shopped with Shoop da whoop?

[Dakota]

Oh yeah, anyone notice that Kyon actually visualized Haruhi in the waitress costume?

That's some slight non-visual fanservice, but I found it odd she knew right away. She observes Kyon's every move, and yet...

Spoiler for SIGHS III:

Totally misses a laser that shot out of Mikuru's eye thrice times.

Mazui put a high quality out. Ain't bad.

[Vampire]

Just saw the episode, couldn't tell which was more epic: Mikuru Beam or Nagato Rape?

[Ithekro]

Light speed is hard to see. No the standard substandard beam weapons one normally seeing in sci-fi and mecha anime. Just a flash and target hit...ni visable "beam", just the point of impact.

Plus you can see the birds all taking off behind the reflector board. I wonder what else she hit.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Oh yeah, anyone notice that Kyon actually visualized Haruhi in the waitress costume?

That's some slight non-visual fanservice, but I found it odd she knew right away. She observes Kyon's every move, and yet...

Spoiler for SIGHS III:

Totally misses a laser that shot out of Mikuru's eye thrice times.

It's invisible.

Spoiler for beam:

Beams in real life are usually not brightly colored, and the point of contact is the only thing that is clearly visible. There was no loud noise nor huge explosion, so Haruhi had an excuse for not noticing. But what happens next episode is another matter...

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Plus you can see the birds all taking off behind the reflector board. I wonder what else she hit.

Probably another planet, maybe an airplane.

[Mecha_Trueno]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Spoiler for Novel 4:

During the beginning of Novel 4, Haruhi reveals that she's sworn off alcohol consumption for herself. Given Haruhi's very playful and partying nature, this took me a bit by surprise. I think for Haruhi, though, she's done this because of her own sort of personal pride - she doesn't ever want to be drunk, and caught doing something that she'd later feel ashamed of.

OF COURSE she'll drink again!
EVERYONE goes through this at least a few times... after you feel like crap from sh*t loads of drinks, you say to yourself "man, I'm never drinking again...ughh" then next week, what do you know?
But then this IS Haruhi, who is a million times more stubborn than everyone else...

[Ithekro]

She could turn the wine into water I suppose....

[Fishfood1]

wow I love this episode, by far my fav in this season. definitely made up for some of what E8 did.

[OkamiNoKaze]

Ooh there are more beams? I thought Yuki's bite made her not able to fire them anymore?

[Ithekro]

No more laser beams...anyway.

[OkamiNoKaze]

Originally Posted by baltakatei

Spoiler for Into baltakatei's imagination...:

Nagato: The persons you know as Taniguchi and Kunikida do not exist as physical persons in this world.

Kyon: ... Um.... Nagato, what do you mean by that?

Nagato: Normal humans with ordinary senses are unable to sense the presence of your two friends since they do not exist.

Kyon: But... Koizumi has seen them. They were on the baseball team. Everyone saw them.

Nagato: Your memories of these events have been modified by an unknown faction.

Kyon: Another faction? An enemy faction? Koizumi, do you know anything about this?

Koizumi: I'm afraid I do not. Honestly, I was careless when you mentioned Taniguchi or Kunikida. But I can assure you on behalf of the Organization of one thing: They do not exist.

Kyon: O__O But... they were in the movie. You saw them, didn't you Nagato? Taniguchi fell into the water with Asahina!

Nagato: ... *shakes head*

Koizumi: Things are more serious than I suspected. Kyon, when did you first begin seeing them?

Kyon: I don't... I don't know... Why doesn't anyone remember seeing them? That idiot Taniguchi walks up that same hill with me every morning. How can he... wait... You! *points at Koizumi* You've never called me "Kyon" before. Ever!

Koizumi: ... *confused*

Kyon: Nagato, what's going on. Tell me. Did someone erase Taniguchi and Kunikida?

*Nagato dons a pitying expression and is interrupted by Koizumi*

Koizumi: Kyon, I didn't think it would take this long, but I had to tell you sooner or later: The girls you know as Haruhi, Mikuru, and Nagato... They're imaginary.

Kyon: ...

Koizumi: When I joined the literary club, you were working on a novel. Those girls were characters in the novel. But, bit by bit, you--

Kyon: No! You're a fake! *shouts hysterically* This isn't real. It's changed. Nagato, tell me what's wrong?

*Nagato turns into an RPG character sheet in Kyon's hands*

*Haruhi walks into the clubroom, notices Kyon freaking out*

Haruhi: ... *watches in stunned silence*

*Kyon sees Haruhi, rushes up to her in a daze*

Kyon: Haruhi, I'm John Smith. John Smith. The guy you met on Tanabata three years ago. You have to remember. *shakes Haruhi by the shoulders*

Haruhi: Kyon what's gotten... John... who?

Kyon(frantic): You have to remember. Haruhi. Koizumi isn't Koizumi. Nagato's been... *shakes paper* I don't know what's going on. The world's changed. We need to get back to the real one.... You remember John Smith... don't you?

Haruhi (seriously): Kyon... I don't know what you're talking about.

*Haruhi disappears, leaving behind only her orange armband in Kyon's grip*

*Kyon laughs hysterically for 4 minutes straight*

*Kyon blacks out form hyperventilation*

BAD END.

Why do all my daydreams end up like that?

I don't like that scenario one bit, the ending I'd like to see is Kyon, and his kids around that heated table thing, (I forget the proper name for them) telling them "and that's how I met your mom and how we got together", as she enters the room bearing dinner.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

I don't know... the thought that Kyon is completely insane and only imagines the three girls are there amuses me.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

I don't know... the thought that Kyon is completely insane and only imagines the three girls are there amuses me.

But Tsuruya has a life outside Kyon. In fact, she is THE anchor to prevent the "it's all a dream" theory to get out of hand. Tsuruya is an outside observer of SOS-dan, who really have no reason to be present if the world was someone's imagination.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Kyon only knows Tsuruya because of Mikuru, and even then only because of the baseball game Haruhi signed them up for. If neither Haruhi nor Mikuru exists, then can you prove Tsuruya does? She has less proof of existence than Taniguchi or Kunikida, given the fact that he knew Kunikida from before high school and theoretically could have met Taniguchi through him.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

Kyon only knows Tsuruya because of Mikuru, and even then only because of the baseball game Haruhi signed them up for. If neither Haruhi nor Mikuru exists, then can you prove Tsuruya does? She has less proof of existence than Taniguchi or Kunikida, given the fact that he knew Kunikida from before high school and theoretically could have met Taniguchi through him.

The problem isn't "proof of existence" The problem is why she exists. Tsuruya disappears for weeks on end with no one knowing what she's up to. This character trait simply wouldn't exist if she was made up in someone's imagination; it doesn't serve a purpose in an imaginary world. In a dream, anything that isn't relevant simply doesn't have substance. But Tsuruya HAS substance, yet she is not a necessary aspect of SOS-dan. So if SOS-dan is someone's imagination, Tsuruya simply can't exist as she is.

Thus Tsuruya is not a dream. QED.^_^