2012-09-19, 00:40 | Link #142 | ||
思想工作
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Vereinigte Staaten
Age: 32
|
Irenicus's post deals with the CPC political infighting better than I could explain it.
Without knowing much on the loyalties of the PLA, I'd guess that they want funding, and funding comes from conflicts, so they are down with stirring up some incidents here and there. Another issue that Irenicus touched on is that the 18th Party Congress is happening soon (it feels like a movie release to me for some reason ), and thus this is a sensitive time for Chinese politics, particularly in light of the Bo Xilai/Gu Kailai/Wang Lijun cases, which are tied up in a series of scandals. Also linked to this, various (and very sketchy) political figures appointed to their positions in the 90s and early 2000s are anxious to keep their present power, which otherwise would fade away as the changes accompanying the 18th Party Congress come into being. This is one reason for the Party to try to keep the people focused on trivial external matters. Another reason is that the people themselves are indeed restless. Aside from the political scandals and power struggle, environmental problems, pervasive corruption, and to a smaller extent lack of freedom have caused a lot of people to become disillusioned. This has led to more and more protests every year and increasing criticism of the government. So this is another motivation to distract the populace and try to keep them loyal to the Party. EDIT: Someone neg-repped me about the Chinese power struggle supposedly having been concluded a few months ago. This is not the case. Just as Wang Lijun was only the tip of the iceberg in the Bo Xilai scandal, Bo's ambitions were set in the context of a deeper, less discernible fracture within the Party. The background and details of the fracture are complex and not well understood but they exist and there is no doubt that they play a very big part in the CCP's political game, especially with the 18th Party Congress drawing near. EDIT': Quote:
Quote:
Last edited by LeoXiao; 2012-09-19 at 00:57. |
||
2012-09-19, 01:09 | Link #144 |
AS Oji-kun
Join Date: Nov 2006
Age: 74
|
How factional infighting within the CCP and conflict between the civilians and the military over Chinese foreign policy factor into the dispute:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/16/wo...-in-china.html
__________________
|
2012-09-19, 01:12 | Link #145 |
Extra Superior Otaku
Join Date: Sep 2008
|
Face palm .... This suck there a lot pressing issue that both countries need to address ..... the hardliners and edger beaver hot heads are making things complicated
Hopefully there a couple level headed and wise diplomats on both sides to get this issue resolved |
2012-09-19, 02:54 | Link #147 |
ARCAM Spriggan agent
|
I saw it in a BBC news broadcast in Vancouver. It's just recent.
They just protest in the Greater Tokyo Area so far. I also got more news. Fire spotted at gate of Chinese school in Kobe Demonstrators in Taipei burn Japanese flag Here's an analysis on the Senkaku problem with some military aspects in it.
__________________
|
2012-09-19, 05:20 | Link #148 | |
books-eater youkai
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Betweem wisdom and insanity
|
Quote:
Of course, if that happen erveyone will clain to have shoot after the other in self-defence...
__________________
|
|
2012-09-19, 08:06 | Link #150 | |
Sayaka★Magica
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Under the piercing blue sky
|
Quote:
By the same token, I'd say South Korea has more of a right to claim the Dokdo/Takeshima/Liancourt Rocks over Japan. And Japan has more of a right to the southernmost Kuril/Chishima islands currently controlled by Russia. If Russia won't even think of returning the southernmost Kuril islands it seized from Japan in 1945 (Russia has never controlled those 3 islands + rocks before 1945; but Japan did as early as 1855), why should Japan hand over the Senkakus to China?
__________________
|
|
2012-09-19, 09:04 | Link #151 | |
Nyaaan~~
Join Date: Feb 2006
Age: 40
|
Quote:
EDIT: Ultimately.. Victors write the history books and determine the rules.. Although the age of imperialism was supposed to have ended, there's a lot of lingering anger all across the globe. It's funny if you read any of the Tom Clancy books, in one of them, Japan invades Saipan and uses military and economic warfare to try to sue for peace after their occupation. The premise being, if I recall: "The Western powers finished their empire building.. and then called the game off while they were ahead.." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_of_Honor I'm just saying.. I'm not wading into this debate because passions are flaring, so I'm just going to be the wry cynical guy sitting in the corner .. Last edited by willx; 2012-09-19 at 10:56. |
|
2012-09-19, 12:49 | Link #152 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2006
|
http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season7/news/203994/
Thank you China for being so damn lame over a couple soddy islands. I wouldn't even dare watch anime in there without fear of getting mobbed. Meanwhile politicians do nothing except fan the flames. Can't they settle it like men, with a mahjong match?
__________________
|
2012-09-19, 13:36 | Link #153 | |
Moving in circles
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Singapore
Age: 49
|
Not exactly true, for now.
China clamps down on anti-Japan protests Quote:
|
|
2012-09-19, 16:02 | Link #155 | |
AS Oji-kun
Join Date: Nov 2006
Age: 74
|
Panetta Says US "Rebalance" to Asia not Intended to Contain China
“Our rebalance to the Asia-Pacific region is not an attempt to contain China,” Mr. Panetta said Wednesday in a speech to People’s Liberation Army officers and cadets. “It is an attempt to engage China and expand its role in the Pacific.” Seems to me, Leon, that the Chinese are already trying to expand their role in the Pacific. Perhaps you can explain to me how moving forces from Okinawa to Guam and Australia is designed to "engage China." I bet the Chinese are just thrilled to hear we are parking a few ships in Singapore and expanding joint exercises with the Philippines as well. And, Secretary Panetta, here is a nice dish for you take home as a souvenier. Maybe Mrs. Panetta can use it to serve bing. Quote:
__________________
Last edited by SeijiSensei; 2012-09-19 at 16:39. |
|
2012-09-19, 16:54 | Link #156 | |
Meh
Join Date: Feb 2008
|
Quote:
as far as Senkaku/Diaoyu goes, Taiwan also claim the islands for itself, but that's hardly the same thing as claiming the islands belong to PRC. Try to run for office in Taiwan on a platform of joining the mainland, and see how many seconds you'll last before you get lambasted into the ground. |
|
2012-09-19, 17:12 | Link #157 | |
Juanita/Kiteless
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: New England
Age: 40
|
Quote:
Someone in this thread said that you actually have a significant amount of people in Taiwan that want to be part of the PRC. They said something about Taiwan having a polarized populace on the issue.
__________________
|
|
2012-09-19, 17:36 | Link #158 | |
Banned
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Montreal, QC, Canada
Age: 40
|
Quote:
What in the world is Panetta useful for in making this trip anyway? He looks like a clueless sitting duck to me, nothing less. I was hoping for someone with more authority in the US government doing the trip. |
|
2012-09-19, 17:43 | Link #159 |
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Dai Korai Teikoku
|
There's a difference between being pro-unification and wanting to submit to PRC. Almost all pro-unification people base it on PRC changing and thus unification on equal grounds, rather than Taiwan being absorbed into PRC.
|
2012-09-19, 17:49 | Link #160 | |
NYAAAAHAAANNNNN~
Join Date: Nov 2007
Age: 35
|
Quote:
Otherwise, we still will have many a detente in the years to come between both of them.
__________________
|
|
Tags |
border, china, dispute, japan |
|
|