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He would NOT be physically harmed, as he would not have a physical body eg. one made from matter. Also, the manga does not state about cutting anything beyond metal, not from Zoro first meeting Daz Bones to after he obtains the 'power to cut nothing, and the power to cut metal', while Mr. 1 is lying on the ground, bleeding. So I have reread the manga and have come to you with facts, not opinions. You were wrong.
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2006-02-04, 17:51 | Link #123 |
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Chapter 194 during the flashback, said by Zoro's teacher: "Listen, there are some who can't cut anything... but that same swordsman can slash through metal, using the same sword."
Chapter 195 page 17 while Zoro's thinking: "Not being able to cut through... Is to understand the meaning of breathing? Is this the power to cut metal?" Same chapter, next page, just before the two page final spread: "Now to see if I truly have gained the power to cut through metal!" No mention of anything other than metal or steel. The manga is more accurate than the anime, you are wrong. |
2006-02-04, 17:54 | Link #124 | |
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Here it is from Stephen Page 161 - <<Sensei: You see, there are swordsmen in this world that can cut NOTHING. But they can cut steel. With the same sword... The "Strongest Blade"... has the power to protect what it wants to protect and cut what it wants to cut. I believe that a sword that harms whatever it touches... cannot be called a "sword". Do you understand? Same thing defining what I was saying the anime and the manga on this matter is the same. The "Strongest Blade"... has the power to protect what it wants to protect and cut what it wants to cut. Therefore Zoro can cut Lighting it's breath. |
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2006-02-04, 18:02 | Link #125 | ||
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Zoro still clearly didn't give off the impression that he could cut Enel at all so he clearly was trying to gain the usage of the seastone. Zoro definently should have more credibility in terms of the breath than you since he is the one who actually uses it rather than you just simply making a speculation with no real proof involved. It remains that while a logia user is made up of an element they still are made up of that element meaning that the thing that gets cut would simply be that element of course resulting in the logia user not being harmed. It's a problem to claim that a swordsman can cut something that doesn't even exist at the time. The flesh and bone that you would want to cut happens to no longer be in existence in an actual flesh and bone form. But who knows what may happen in the future while you keep speaking as if your speculation is irrefutable fact. |
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2006-02-04, 18:08 | Link #126 | |
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No you are wrong I have the episode were it says that he can cut anything. That does not matter when Zoro uses the breath he can cut anything the subject is the breath which allows him to cut anything. It is stated in the anime and Manga. |
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2006-02-04, 18:14 | Link #127 | |
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I think you are confusing the statement Zoro made as a kid in the flashback about him wanting to be a swordsman that can cut anything with what his sensei said. It remains that his sensei didn't say anything beyond cutting steel much less cutting something that no longer exist. You are still suggesting on a speculation that the breath should somehow cut something that no longer exist in a certain physical form or that the breath should allow you to force a logia user out of their elemental state. You don't really have any proof much less that Zoro still clearly didn't give off the idea that trying to do so would be wise. |
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2006-02-04, 18:15 | Link #128 |
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Well this is probably the easiest question on the forum we all know that Edward Newgate is the strongest pirate out there as said in eps 151 well the strongest guy in the world in other words and hes like the closest to finding the one piece out of all the other pirates, i mean if u could fight evenly with Gold D Roger the Pirate King i think u would probably be the strongest pirate,
But when it comes to the strongest female well phyiscally would be Nami cause shes always hitting luffy and zorro, but probably in combat from what ive seen Nico Robin is the strongest |
2006-02-04, 18:16 | Link #129 | |
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Exactly that Zoro was different because he did not know how to use the technique. No you are wrong I have the episode were it says that he can cut anything. That does not matter. When Zoro uses the breath he can cut anything. The subject is the breath which allows him to cut anything. It is stated in the anime and Manga. I use actual facts since it is explained so clearly, but yet you still think something Oda said is specualtion. It's obvious to me that I am using facts because it is from the series itself. You are the one speculating about the situation. Go and do research before talking in these type of discussion. "In this world we live in, there are swordsman who can cut nothing." However those same swordsman can cut steel or anything else they wish." "all with the same katana." |
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"In this world we live in, there are swordsman who can cut nothing." However those same swordsman can cut steel or anything else they wish." "all with the same katana." |
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2006-02-04, 18:38 | Link #132 | |
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So in short lightning having breath, as weird as that may be since lightning isn't even a physical object in terms of steel or rocks, doesn't really mean much when it is simply willed to being reformed by Enel. His sensei didn't say "or anything else they wish" in the flashback. |
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2006-02-04, 18:42 | Link #133 | |
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"In this world we live in, there are swordsman who can cut nothing." However those same swordsman can cut steel or anything else they wish." "all with the same katana." |
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2006-02-04, 19:14 | Link #135 | |
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Like I said Zoro did not know how to use the Technique as he explains in the next episode he did not even know how to do it. That is why he went after the Seaston because with out that technique he could not cut Lighting. The quote is correct ansd I told you to go watch the episode. "In this world we live in, there are swordsman who can cut nothing." However those same swordsman can cut steel or anything else they wish." "all with the same katana." |
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And again, I didn't say that lightning was "nothing" but that it is a non-physical substance that can't really seen to be cut or at least it being cut doesn't equate to cutting at the flesh and bone of Enel. You don't cut water in a gas form isn't a matter of physics but simply logic. Quote:
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2006-02-04, 19:29 | Link #137 | |
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I told you all logic physics do not apply in anime. Zoro has the power to "cut the breath of all Things". Including your precious lighting. This is the world of anime Oda fell in love with Dragonball an anime that clearly surpassed all logic and the action was beyond imagination. The only reason why he could not cut Ener at that time is because he does not know how to do the technique. That is the only reason for that. |
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2006-02-04, 19:33 | Link #138 | ||
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And really, I just help but wonder how exactly is that for a quote you would use so many quotation marks as if you don't have a clue how many you would need much less put them. The period after the wish in that quote you put down for his sensei is possibly a typo on your part so I'll give you a benefit of a doubt on that at least. |
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2006-02-04, 19:36 | Link #139 | |
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Zoro forgot to do the technique. |
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2006-02-04, 19:42 | Link #140 |
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Not really. I still don't remember Zoro cutting gaseous air. Nor was it claimed that the breat was absolute in cutting everything and anything. Still hasn't been shown that the breath can be used to actually cut sustances of a liquid or gaseous form much less non-physical form overall.
And Zoro forgot how? You claiming that he forgot much less was incapable of trying to do so right after he just cut through something that one of Enel's priest commented shouldn't be cutable. And please keep in mind that the thing was still that of a physical substance. And I get the feeling you keep dodging me on the question of your odd way in placing quotation marks. |
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