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Karnot · 2006-08-01, 17:01

Ok, lets imagine for a moment that Gundams creeped into the real world. It would be logical to suggest that you cant make a Gundam any smaller to fit all the nessesary technologies, wouldnt that be a right thought ?

Now, you see in SEED & Destiny a Gundam with a giant beam cannon inside their chest. The question is, how did they fit it in ? At the expense of what vital parts ? Because they fight and whatnot just as any other Gundam, and they have a giant beam cannon advantage. So why not equip every Gundam with it ?

srb · 2006-08-01, 17:10

We can assume that they are a major power drain, as well as not being as flexible as a hand carried or arm mounted weapon. This would make it more difficult for the average pilot to use, hence it's pretty much limited to heavy artillery MS. As for why every Gundam doesn't have it, their design specifications may not need it. We never see Kira using it in its supposed intended role, a close-combat deterrent, because who would charge headlong into a torso beam cannon? Thus we can assume that it's a too limited use weapon and other cannons are preferred.

Skyfall · 2006-08-01, 17:44

Indeed, the Chest canon is not practical. It might be good at melee combat, but it doesnt have zero fireing time, so a good pilot can most likely get out of the way.

Not to mention that targeting with that thing would be a pain in the arse.

And again in the melee - against a good oponent there is a good chance that you wont be able to afford to stand there facing him. Its a very situational weapon imo, not really needed for anyhting. ( The best use Kira made of it - used it as another thing to spam the grunts )

C.A. · 2006-08-01, 19:38

Well, chest cannons are for super robots lol, I guess it doesn't look so cool on real robots.

Calamity and SF's chest cannons (actually abdomen cannon for SF), are developed from Aegis's Scylla cannon. They are directly powered by the suit's main engines, meaning, they could be the most powerful weapon in their arsenals.

Aegis has to transform to reveal the Scylla cannon, the Scylla mode, which is practically a large mobile cannon.

Calamity and SF's cannons are fixed infront of their engines. We know Freedom's nuclear reactor is in the abdomen, SF most probably has the same configuration and its Callidus beam cannon is right there in front. We can assume Calamity's Scylla cannon is directly infront of its engine as well.

Its not that hard to fix a gun infront of your engine, in fact there's a WWII US fighter plane which had a gun fixed right through its engine and fires straight from the middle of its propeller.

The Bell P-39 Airacobra: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Airacobra

Mounting a cannon in the middle of a suit is actually the best configuration for an artillery unit. Its the position for optimum accuracy and stability, which is also mentioned in the wiki entry for P-39. Stability in the sense that the body can stay firm from recoil and fire more accurate shots, compared to firing a hand carried rifle or over hanging back pack cannons. Its very effective for artillery and beam spamming units like Calamity and SF.

The chest/abdomen cannon is used during artillery attacks, like SF's Hi-MAT Full Burst(official name from SRW).

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a cannon in the middle the chest or abs.

Demongod86 · 2006-08-01, 20:31

Offtopic a bit here, but does anyone find it funny that an "ace" is considered 60 kills, when in the more recent gundams, our main hero gets that score in one or two missions?

srb · 2006-08-01, 20:34

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Originally Posted by Demongod86

Offtopic a bit here, but does anyone find it funny that an "ace" is considered 60 kills, when in the more recent gundams, our main hero gets that score in one or two missions?

60 kills? A traditional flying ace has five kills under his belts.

C.A. · 2006-08-01, 20:49

Yea 5 kills means an ace, Pokryshkin is just named there to be an outstanding Ace of 60 kills.

The famous 'Best Ace Pilot in history', Manfred von Richthofen the Red Baron, had 80 kills.

SNT1 · 2006-08-01, 22:08

Red Baron has a plane that is "Three times as fast" as a normal fighter, no wonder he got 80 kills

C.A. · 2006-08-01, 22:19

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Originally Posted by SNT1

Red Baron has a plane that is "Three times as fast" as a normal fighter, no wonder he got 80 kills

lol

To get back on topic:

Most Gundams have arsenals that are still quite reasonable.

But Akatsuki is questionable, with a mystery power source, it can power itself and 7 DRAGOONs. The DRAGOONs fire beams and are able to project a barrier, I suppose they would need quite alot of power from the suit, which I don't think is powered by a nuclear engine.

AirMaster · 2006-08-02, 10:36

I think the Akatsuki's lack of PS gives it more energy for it's weapon systems. Of course, it never runs out of energy in the show, so maybe the beams don't drain that much energy.

RedFrame · 2006-08-02, 11:04

Any name for Akatsuki special armour ?

C.A. · 2006-08-02, 11:16

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Originally Posted by RedFrame

Any name for Akatsuki special armour ?

Mirror Coating.

Renegade334 · 2006-08-02, 11:36

The official name is "'Yata-no-Kagami' anti-beam defensive reflection system (armor coating)".

Anh_Minh · 2006-08-02, 11:46

Re: aces.
And Erich Hartmann had 352 kills.

DarkWarrior · 2006-08-02, 12:06

Akatsuki is a pretty big mystery.. if it doesn't have a nuclear reactor then it must have some other way of getting power. Maybe it reflects 90% of the beam and absorbs the 10%?

And correct me if I'm wrong, but in CE all beam weapons are powered directly by the reactors/batteries. So I don't get why that would make chest cannons so special.

drgntig · 2006-08-02, 12:21

i think that the gundam might have multiple power cells that do different things. this would explain why no mobbile suit ever runs out of energy. it's only logical.

SNT1 · 2006-08-02, 12:37

I thought it was already explained above. CE MSes without a nuke reactor runs out because of the fat chunk that PS armor uses. Akatsuki has NONE of that. Besides, we never even see Akatsuki in prolonged battles.

DarkWarrior · 2006-08-02, 12:57

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Originally Posted by SNT1

I thought it was already explained above. CE MSes without a nuke reactor runs out because of the fat chunk that PS armor uses. Akatsuki has NONE of that. Besides, we never even see Akatsuki in prolonged battles.

Compare Akatsuki to the three EA druggie Gundams, which should've been built around similar times. The druggie Gundams had TPS, which only activated upon the point of impact, so the battery drain from PS should've been minimal. Yet they always ran out of power before too long. And Akatsuki's firepower far exceeds any of the druggie Gundams (21 beams from DRAGOONs + beam rifle), so it's natural to say that it doesn't make much sense. Not to mention it formed the insanely large beam shield that could cover entire ships more than once..

And I would count 2 episodes as a pretty long battle, but I guess that depends on your definition.

drgntig · 2006-08-02, 13:00

maybee unlke the other gundams his gundam has upgraded energy pack.

SNT1 · 2006-08-02, 13:05

Hmmm. I thought they only leave battle because of the pilots themselves.... oh well.

Well, Akatsuki was supposed to be THAT advanced anyway (who says the nuke of the druggie MSes and Ak had to be equal in power output?) that it can probably kill any other MS in CE given a skilled pilot.

A nuke reactor would definitely violate the treaty. Orb having it in CE 73 will definitely be accepting that as a plot-hole (which wont be a problem in these forums, members accept GSD has a huge plothole anyways), or they could have Hyper-Deuteron reactord by CE71 already (...)

2006-08-01, 17:01	Link #1
Karnot Banned Join Date: Feb 2006	Gundam's guts Ok, lets imagine for a moment that Gundams creeped into the real world. It would be logical to suggest that you cant make a Gundam any smaller to fit all the nessesary technologies, wouldnt that be a right thought ? Now, you see in SEED & Destiny a Gundam with a giant beam cannon inside their chest. The question is, how did they fit it in ? At the expense of what vital parts ? Because they fight and whatnot just as any other Gundam, and they have a giant beam cannon advantage. So why not equip every Gundam with it ?

2006-08-01, 17:44	Link #3
Skyfall Lost in my dreams... Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 37	Indeed, the Chest canon is not practical. It might be good at melee combat, but it doesnt have zero fireing time, so a good pilot can most likely get out of the way. Not to mention that targeting with that thing would be a pain in the arse. And again in the melee - against a good oponent there is a good chance that you wont be able to afford to stand there facing him. Its a very situational weapon imo, not really needed for anyhting. ( The best use Kira made of it - used it as another thing to spam the grunts ) __________________

2006-08-01, 19:38	Link #4
C.A. Absolute Haruhist! Artist Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 36	Well, chest cannons are for super robots lol, I guess it doesn't look so cool on real robots. Calamity and SF's chest cannons (actually abdomen cannon for SF), are developed from Aegis's Scylla cannon. They are directly powered by the suit's main engines, meaning, they could be the most powerful weapon in their arsenals. Aegis has to transform to reveal the Scylla cannon, the Scylla mode, which is practically a large mobile cannon. Calamity and SF's cannons are fixed infront of their engines. We know Freedom's nuclear reactor is in the abdomen, SF most probably has the same configuration and its Callidus beam cannon is right there in front. We can assume Calamity's Scylla cannon is directly infront of its engine as well. Its not that hard to fix a gun infront of your engine, in fact there's a WWII US fighter plane which had a gun fixed right through its engine and fires straight from the middle of its propeller. The Bell P-39 Airacobra: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Airacobra Mounting a cannon in the middle of a suit is actually the best configuration for an artillery unit. Its the position for optimum accuracy and stability, which is also mentioned in the wiki entry for P-39. Stability in the sense that the body can stay firm from recoil and fire more accurate shots, compared to firing a hand carried rifle or over hanging back pack cannons. Its very effective for artillery and beam spamming units like Calamity and SF. The chest/abdomen cannon is used during artillery attacks, like SF's Hi-MAT Full Burst(official name from SRW). There's absolutely nothing wrong with a cannon in the middle the chest or abs. __________________ No longer a NEET so I'll not be online as often. Ignore gender and kick sexuality to the curb! I'm a big mecha fan, who keeps playing the SRW series. When I say 'My god...', god refers to Haruhi-sama. My art album updated 11th May 2013, Science. Deviant Art: http://ca0001.deviantart.com/

2006-08-01, 20:31	Link #5
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2006-08-01, 20:49	Link #7
C.A. Absolute Haruhist! Artist Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 36	Yea 5 kills means an ace, Pokryshkin is just named there to be an outstanding Ace of 60 kills. The famous 'Best Ace Pilot in history', Manfred von Richthofen the Red Baron, had 80 kills. __________________ No longer a NEET so I'll not be online as often. Ignore gender and kick sexuality to the curb! I'm a big mecha fan, who keeps playing the SRW series. When I say 'My god...', god refers to Haruhi-sama. My art album updated 11th May 2013, Science. Deviant Art: http://ca0001.deviantart.com/

2006-08-01, 17:10	Link #2
srb I can see time itself! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kingdom of Sweden Age: 37	We can assume that they are a major power drain, as well as not being as flexible as a hand carried or arm mounted weapon. This would make it more difficult for the average pilot to use, hence it's pretty much limited to heavy artillery MS. As for why every Gundam doesn't have it, their design specifications may not need it. We never see Kira using it in its supposed intended role, a close-combat deterrent, because who would charge headlong into a torso beam cannon? Thus we can assume that it's a too limited use weapon and other cannons are preferred.

2006-08-01, 22:08	Link #8
SNT1 r0x0rz j00r b0x0rz Join Date: Jan 2006	Red Baron has a plane that is "Three times as fast" as a normal fighter, no wonder he got 80 kills

2006-08-02, 10:36	Link #10
AirMaster キャシャーン Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montreal Age: 37	I think the Akatsuki's lack of PS gives it more energy for it's weapon systems. Of course, it never runs out of energy in the show, so maybe the beams don't drain that much energy.

2006-08-02, 11:04	Link #11
RedFrame A talking white tiger :O Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Malaysia	Any name for Akatsuki special armour ? __________________

2006-08-02, 11:36	Link #13
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2006-08-02, 11:46	Link #14
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Re: aces. And Erich Hartmann had 352 kills.

2006-08-02, 12:06	Link #15
DarkWarrior Anaheim Electronics Join Date: Aug 2004	Akatsuki is a pretty big mystery.. if it doesn't have a nuclear reactor then it must have some other way of getting power. Maybe it reflects 90% of the beam and absorbs the 10%? And correct me if I'm wrong, but in CE all beam weapons are powered directly by the reactors/batteries. So I don't get why that would make chest cannons so special.

2006-08-02, 12:21	Link #16
drgntig i'm psychic.god says hi. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: tucson arizona Age: 32	maybe the reason is...... i think that the gundam might have multiple power cells that do different things. this would explain why no mobbile suit ever runs out of energy. it's only logical.

2006-08-02, 12:37	Link #17
SNT1 r0x0rz j00r b0x0rz Join Date: Jan 2006	I thought it was already explained above. CE MSes without a nuke reactor runs out because of the fat chunk that PS armor uses. Akatsuki has NONE of that. Besides, we never even see Akatsuki in prolonged battles.

2006-08-02, 13:00	Link #19
drgntig i'm psychic.god says hi. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: tucson arizona Age: 32	maybe the reason is.. maybee unlke the other gundams his gundam has upgraded energy pack.

2006-08-02, 13:05	Link #20
SNT1 r0x0rz j00r b0x0rz Join Date: Jan 2006	Hmmm. I thought they only leave battle because of the pilots themselves.... oh well. Well, Akatsuki was supposed to be THAT advanced anyway (who says the nuke of the druggie MSes and Ak had to be equal in power output?) that it can probably kill any other MS in CE given a skilled pilot. A nuke reactor would definitely violate the treaty. Orb having it in CE 73 will definitely be accepting that as a plot-hole (which wont be a problem in these forums, members accept GSD has a huge plothole anyways), or they could have Hyper-Deuteron reactord by CE71 already (...)