2010-07-12, 16:07 | Link #2901 | ||
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And I think the red denies this specifically: The guest room was sealed at the time that Battler's 'corpse' was examined, so until I came again and broke the seals, it was absolutely impossible for anyone to go in or out. Therefore, when I entered the room, it is certain that Battler was hiding somewhere inside the guest room. Quote:
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2010-07-12, 16:08 | Link #2902 |
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Actually this was my theory before, but nobody got around to arguing against it. or rather they thought it was too lenient. Erika's body can be allowed to exist up to the point where she is denied. In other words until we get the 'Even if we welcome you' red she still technically had a body of her own within that tale.
So with that we can basically consider the 5th and 6th games elseworlds. That doesn't mean they don't contain truth though.
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2010-07-12, 16:13 | Link #2903 | |
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Erika situation in the Chiru arcs is...pretty...exactly the same as Kinzo, but here we don't even know if there is a corpse that just dropped of on Rokkenj... Nice to meet you, hello! I am Furudo Erika, a detective!! I may be an uninvited guest, but please welcome me!! I am the visitor, the eighteenth human on Rokkenjima!! Well I guess there is a corpse afterall. Erika Furudo is a character from a play made by the Ushiromiyas at the time of the familiy conference... It's all a play, EP6 is a play, but the "actor" playing Erika's role went nuts and killed people. |
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2010-07-12, 16:18 | Link #2904 |
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I'm glad someone else noticed the similarity with EP1. My solution for the EP6 closed room is:
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I think the closed room in that is set up in a very similar way because after all, Battler was trying to prove he understood the mystery. In other words, the culprit doesn't have to go hiding under the bed, they could have simply used the same method as above. The way they did it in EP6 where Erika says 'Kanon is hiding under the bed', yet being wrong feels like another similarity to EP1, almost saying the culprit wasn't under the bed, but had escaped, just as Kanon had done in EP6. |
2010-07-12, 16:27 | Link #2906 | |
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The point is correct though; if "Erika" has a body, she either is in fact in the next room over, or "Erika" was explicitly excluded from the name check along with Kinzo. However, unlike with Kinzo, Battler never addresses, nor is asked to address, where "Erika" (whoever she may be) is located. So where is the body of "Erika?" Why can we simply assume she's excluded from the definition when Kinzo is the only one explicitly so excluded? And hell, how do we even know Battler did exclude him? Maybe Kinzo's corpse is under Maria's bed.
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2010-07-12, 16:29 | Link #2907 | |
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2010-07-12, 16:32 | Link #2908 | |
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I viewed the inclusion of Erika as a Author Theory privilege of the Author. In the same way fans can write themselves into stories (and make a crappy character), so can Hachijou write that Bernkastel wrote Erika in. Now that the truth has come to light, no further author would be caught dead writing Erika as if she was alive anymore... (This is why I feel like Hachijou lied about writing EP3-4, but maybe only 'found' them instead. And that she did write EP5-6 because of the huge change in style... that and I want to call her a hack writer just to spite her arrogance. 8) ) |
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2010-07-12, 16:36 | Link #2909 | |
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http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...05#post3136405 I also added a bit in the post below. |
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2010-07-12, 16:53 | Link #2911 | ||
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2010-07-12, 16:54 | Link #2912 |
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Did anyone else sort of get the sense that Hachijou and Featherine weren't the same person? There were dramatic shifts in their apparent knowledge and attitude whenever the game jumped to an "Ange in Hachijou's house in the 'real' world" scene versus when it jumped to "ANGE and Featherine in her 'meta'-world study."
Something is just really, really off. They behave like they know different things, and it almost seems like Hachijou knows more.
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2010-07-12, 16:55 | Link #2913 |
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Quick thought (bearing in mind I haven't finished yet and this may be confirmed or contradicted later on) - EVA-Beatrice in ep3 was not, in fact, defeated by Beatrice knowing the truth. She was defeated due to a simple logic error - she declared the murderer was a human, even though it had been established in all 3 games that the witch did not count as a human.
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2010-07-12, 16:56 | Link #2914 | ||
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It's like when Beatrice goes, "Look! Look! Look! It's magic!" You know a trollface is coming soon... 8) Quote:
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2010-07-12, 17:03 | Link #2915 | |
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2010-07-12, 17:05 | Link #2917 |
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What Eva did wasn't necessarily a logic error. It all depends on how the gameboard is set.
Personally I don't think it was a logic error in that a solution for that web of red truths existed and many interpretations have been proposed. As long as a solution exists and is known by the Game Master it isn't a logic error. Making it appear as a logic error 'though is the witch's duty. However it should only appear as such without using magic tricks, so the human side is forced to accept the magic interpretation. What Eva did wrong was that she made it look like a logic error even with magic tricks. However it was still "making it look like" a logic error and not actually a logic error.
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2010-07-12, 17:08 | Link #2918 |
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I think Eva-Beatrice's "it was a human who could use magic" is fine, at least it doesn't necessarily cause a Logic Error, and I see no reason why some human wasn't alive to kill Nanjo; there's plenty of ways you could come up with an answer.
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2010-07-12, 17:11 | Link #2919 |
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Hmm... Does anyone completely understand the relationship between Featherine und Bernkastel?
Was Bernkastel her miko during Higurashi? Furthermore, Featherine really seem to be incredible powerful. And why did Hanyo also have such "bullhorns". I mean the reason for Featherine was explained in the Tips but why would Hanyo need them? |
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