2012-06-11, 02:36 | Link #61 |
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Sorry if I ruined your discussion but when I responded to james0246, it sounded like it was Law's abilities but also including haki and everything else. My response was to James0246 Link #29 and Marvel B #Link 31 page 2 of the forum. I thought you were responding to the same thing. I get confused sometimes on where the boundaries of the arguments are or who is arguing what. Room for the World? Finally on Law's power, the only way I see it truly as a threat is if Law can put the whole earth in a room. That would be something to see. But Laws power hinges on if he is a strong fighter. If someone steps in side his room and is equally or stronger then I don't see that room is beneficial. Another question, if the Vice Admiral Smoker learns that Law and Luffy have an alliance and reports it to his superiors, does that mean the WG will revoke Laws Shichibukai status? |
2012-06-11, 02:43 | Link #62 |
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Law's DF looks overpowered because we assumed his weakness would be Buggy's DF and Logias, but Law showed that he can simply take their heart and win this way. (Like Doflamingo. If his DF (or whatever power it is, it probably is a DF) showed to work against Logias, too, I wouldn't be able to think of a counter against it and say it's overpowered, too)
Robin's DF might be a good counter, as long as she isn't inside of his room. Other than that I don't see anyone else having an effective counter that is not seastone or Haki. It kinda didn't make sense that Smoker passed out after Law took his heart, because Law's DF shouldn't affect the body. Also he should be able to turn his heart into smoke and just return to the body, like any other body part Law would cut with his ability. I wonder if that glasslike cube Smoker's heart is in is part of Law's ability or something else.
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2012-06-11, 02:58 | Link #63 |
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Actually we pretty much have the same opinions, just that we are arguing in a different direction. I would agree with some of your points, just that your argument is not on the Devil Fruit abilities alone. My views are most similar to jame0246's, prior to The Small One's idea that Law may not be able to kill, that Ope Ope ability's only weakness could be is casting speed and range, which Law had improved through mastery over the ability. Earlier on I also mentioned that I think the strongest Devil Fruit users would cover their abilities weakness through their skill and Haki. At the highest level of fighting, its more a contest of Haki and strength rather than abilities. The abilities are just weapons and fighting styles for them to channel their Haki and power.
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2012-06-11, 10:25 | Link #64 | |
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While you certainly do make a good point and all, I rather doubt that Law would be known as the Surgeon of Death if he didn't at least kill some of his enemies. As far as the whole "overpowered abilities" things goes, I don't really have anything else to say about Law or Kuma's powers, but one particular power that always kinda bugged me was Califa's soap bubble fruit. So..... apparently, she can make people so squeaky clean that they're weakened and can't move properly and..... what?? I mean, at least Hancock's power actually made more sense (even if that's also a broken ability, IMO). Califa's power feels more like a stand ability from Jojo than anything..... |
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2012-06-11, 13:06 | Link #65 | |
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it seems that the best counter to law would be a long range fighter like kizuru or kidd using some sort of mechanical weapon with many moving parts, but it would have to either be a surprise attack or capable of being disassembled and still be functional. no matter what, it's clearly one of the most powerful and versatile DF abilities in the series. but as you guys have been saying, a characters power comes down to more than just DF ability, which is why law fears to take on an emperor on his own |
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2012-06-11, 14:04 | Link #66 | |
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1. What if the yami yami no mi is the reason for the absorption of other DFs? 2. How can law neutralize his opponents haki? 3. How do you know that you can add haki into the opeope fruit? what exactly is there to enhance with armor haki? i can see that work on melee or projectile attacks, but how is that supposed to apply on the ability to rearrange things in a room?
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2012-06-11, 14:37 | Link #67 | |
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By using his own Haki. He could almost completely nullify his opponents Haki if Law's Haki is superior, or he could neutralize the Haki if their 'will' is equal, or he could fail if his opponent's Haki is superior. Haki is in everything. Consequently, it can and will be used in every action a character takes, whether it be overt (like grabbing a Logia) or not. That being said, a basic use of Kenbunshoku Haki would greatly improve Law's power of what happens in his rooms. |
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2012-06-11, 14:53 | Link #68 |
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^ see thats what i mean. how is haki supposed to improve laws power? what kind of enhancement is there coming from haki, besides hardening an attack against your opponent? and on which of laws DF powers is it exactly supposed to apply on? for all we know, haki is not really combinable with every DF.
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(To speculate on specific techniques, the Scan technique can probably be improved with Haki, and I wouldn't be surprised if Haki is used (or can be used) with the Mes technique (especially when fighting Logia users).) |
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2012-06-12, 05:08 | Link #70 | |
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i am often amazed by the kind of discussions in this thread and i mean that as a good thing.
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as for law's ability, while i agree that it is overpowered and there is no known weakness, i believe that he will encounter someone who has the ability to defeat his. we know very little of the extent of law's powers. we've only seen him fight just once. within his room he is god but what if he is vulnerable when attacked from the outside? battles aren't just decided by abilities or skills, smarts and the right circumstances are big factors too, not to mention the right match-ups.
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2012-06-12, 15:09 | Link #71 | |
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Alvida's ability makes her smooth and slippery. Nothing confusing about that. In fact, upon further reflection her power is pretty similar to the results of being cleansed by Califa's power, minus the whole weakening thing. At the very least, Alvida's power actually DOES make some freaking sense. Oh, and the usual reminder that the next thread will be here early tomorrow morning, etc..... UPDATE: And the thread is here! Last edited by marvelB; 2012-06-13 at 03:11. |
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