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Also Kanon = Kinzo is not the only way for Kanon to escape the location check, just as long as he doesn't count as "all other people." Quote:
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2010-03-30, 23:15 | Link #7422 | |
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Regarding the revelation, I'm not saying she thought about the love trial and suddenly realized "Oh, Kanon's real name is Kinzo." I agree that something like that wouldn't make sense. But she could have realized something about Kanon and Shannon's family situation, such as that they were adopted by Kinzo, and the name thing could be derived indirectly from that. Please remember that when Zepar and Furfur talk about "less than a full person's love", they're including concepts like a man in love with two women and other things like that. It's not necessarily about personalities. |
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No, seriously, go back and read it again. The whole section is completely hinting towards Shkanon. The only possible way that Shkanon isn't true is if the person writing this section either guessed totally wrong or was a troll, and for both of those, you need to explain how Beato could have reached the correct answer despite the storyteller being wrong/lying.
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2010-03-30, 23:19 | Link #7424 |
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His name could be something else that would be easier for Beato to realize (as opposed to making the leap to Kinzo). Ssol's theory about the game resuming just long enough for him to escape or something. There are plenty of these. Don't be disingenous.
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2010-03-30, 23:20 | Link #7425 | |
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Also if not Kinzo his real name could be Rosa or Maria if he's a girl just saying...
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2010-03-30, 23:21 | Link #7426 | |
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Certainly, the message bottles indicate the possibility of a second "Ushiromiya Maria." And Kanon was depicted as being in the room where Rosa and Maria were... But still. |
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Think about the scene where Battler learned the answer as well. We were shown all the closed rooms from the previous games as well.
My opinion is that they reached the answer by understanding something about how the game itself was presented as a mystery that was solvable by a detective or one who seeks the truth.
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2010-03-30, 23:26 | Link #7430 |
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Logically, doesn't Beatrice have to be created before Kanon in Shkanon? If Beatrice already exists, what's Kanon even for?
EDIT: Chronologically, this is the only construction that works: Pre-1980: Shannon exists (created from Sayo, so to speak). 1980: Beatrice is created. 1983: Kanon first begins to appear. The text supports this; the speaker splits a soul with Beatrice first. The talk about sharing a soul between three only comes up after that chronologically. Why bother? You already have Beatrice. |
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2010-03-30, 23:31 | Link #7432 | |
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Some people have suggested that Kanon represents Kinzo's will. If the Kinzo scenes in EP1 and 2 are flashbacks, then we know that Kinzo decided to write a will, a record of everything he did, back when he still had some time left. It's possible that this was 3 years ago, the time Kanon was created.
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2010-03-30, 23:37 | Link #7434 | |
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I swear, Ryuukishi does this to torment me... ^^ The main point here is the pronoun switch, but Kanon is apparently the one who says it. But there's more of this going on with Kanon's tachi-e earlier.
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2010-03-30, 23:42 | Link #7435 |
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What about Doubletrice? I think /jp/ uses that more to describe Shannon and Jessica being Beatrice, but could Kanon and Shannon be Beatrice independently, but differently? Ep6 does provide us two Beatrices. One was created to love Battler, one was the witch legend. Who says these aren't actually two Beatrices? Kanontrice would exist, yet his(her?) Beatrice wouldn't logically be the one who loves Battler since obviously he(she?) wasn't there.
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Still, if Kanon and Shannon are fighting over Beatrice, that colors their relationship in a different light, does it not? They would both be aware of Beatrice, inasmuch as some sort of Beatrice existed and mattered to Kinzo. They could therefore create their own "Beatrices."
There's a lot to suggest there is more than one Beatrice (not counting Meta-Beatrice, Magic Scene Beatrice, Eva-Beatrice, etc.). Different letters, different MOs, I don't think it's thematically improbable. But of course if Shkanon is true, I sincerely doubt that would happen. |
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2010-03-30, 23:52 | Link #7440 | |
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Shannon's Beatrice loved Battler in her stead. She may have also been the one urging people to solve the epitaph... maybe even knowing what it was for, and hoping to save everyone. Dress-Beato. Kanon's Beatrice is a prankster and possibly more sinister. She sees the epitaph differently, and enjoys delightful closed rooms. And tricks. And maybe murder. Suit-Beato. Shannon was the one Battler sinned against (maybe). Kanon is the one trying to make Battler remember. And Meta-Beatrice is a fusion of both. |
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