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Tiresias · 2011-12-02, 05:17

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Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

I mean... a helicopter?

Wait till the next installment. They'll use horses!

...wait, Vivid already did that.

Jimmy C · 2011-12-02, 08:33

That wasn't the first time we had that dicussion either.
The thing is, air transport vehicles are neccessary even for flight mages because flight drains magic just like fighting. Sure, they could fly 50km to the operation site on their own, but they won't be able to do much fighting once they get there. Even less if they have to fly 50km back to base on their own.

Key Board · 2011-12-02, 08:42

Midchilda Helicopters might be faster than mage flight

The skillset needed for aerial dogfighting and long distance flight are different

Dogfighting needs acceleration and maneuverability. Travel needs sustained top speed

Additionally, In episode 18 of StrikerS, Nanoha said that Subaru's traveling speed on land is faster than her flight. Granted, she was carrying Teana, though.

Tiresias · 2011-12-02, 09:01

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Originally Posted by malekith

they probably use a helicopter so they dont have to constantly ask for personal flight permission and long distances

add the fact the forwards and support personel cant fly and a helicopte seems pretty handy in my eyes (plus they had to add a yuuno th the new main duo and needed a postion for him to fill)

We already have that discussion before. Not that I'm saying that we can't have it again (as long as we move it into the appropriate thread), it's just that I already made some long posts I'm currently not interested in repeating. Short version of my points: teleportation and antigrav/jet-VTOL instead of helicopters (especially since the blocky design of the helicopter is a poor contrast to the sleek, futuristic designs for TSAB warships).

EDIT: looks like I need to elaborate a bit. Teleportation for ultra-long range, antigrav/jet-VTOL (basically like helicopters, but without big rotor-blades as huge HIT ME! signs) for long-range and shorter.

I'm not just questioning the existence of helicopters here, I'm questioning their design philosophy. Considering the Bureau's level of technology, they could have at least an air transport like this. Or this.

Key Board · 2011-12-02, 11:19

Maybe the TSAB has Zeon engineers

they make all their planes un-aerodynamic, but it somehow still works

LostSome · 2011-12-02, 11:27

lol ! The copters again.

The Hucks are using cool bikes and the trunk Veyron stole looked your everyday`s one to me.
But all the communications they do are with holographic screens.

itanshi1 · 2011-12-02, 11:55

The whole ' i don't wish to alienate the audience too much' trap

Akiyoshi · 2011-12-02, 11:57

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Originally Posted by LostSome

lol ! The copters again.

The Hucks are using cool bikes and the trunk Veyron stole looked your everyday`s one to me.
But all the communications they do are with holographic screens.

Yup, now that i looked at Ch. 20 more closely i also noted that they also use floating screens to display inofrmation in places like Hayate's meeting room or the training grounds where Tohma and Signum fight(the floating screens still have a different desing than the ones from Strikers, tough). So, what the hell? They're now using both old and new technology? What's up with the administration on that place xD?

Rising Dragon · 2011-12-02, 14:26

*sigh* We raging about the copters again?

Akiyoshi · 2011-12-02, 14:30

^i started to talk about monitors and floating screens, they're the ones who bring the helicopters talk back on track.

malekith · 2011-12-02, 15:14

srry didnt know there had already been a discussion abouth helcopters (i didnt start it up again though only replied with my opinion)

itanshi1 · 2012-01-14, 21:54

Not that I know how to differentiate this thread fromt he general discussion thread, but it is a speculative topic.

I was wondering what personality Einhalt should have given what we've seen. There is Shy, meek fate clone, confident battle maniac. Then there Strauss. There must be something in here that' can be derived from this better than what we have so far. I guess I need this for fanfic writing

Keroko · 2012-01-14, 22:24

The Vivid manga does a fine job at showing her personality, so I suggest reading through what's been scanned once or twice. She's serious and confident when it comes to combat and general life, but when someone enters her personal space and starts getting intimate she starts getting flustered because she doesn't quite know how to handle it. She's also better than Fate at keeping up a poker-face.

itanshi1 · 2012-01-14, 22:25

Guess it lacks the strauss aspect more

Keroko · 2012-01-14, 22:28

On Klauss, it's important to remember that Klauss is not a personality. Einhart only inherits his memories, and makes of that what she does by her own will.

Sunder the Gold · 2012-01-15, 00:25

What Keroko is saying.

If Gears of Destiny is to be believed, Einhart isn't so controlled that she always holds back enough. What with her victory pose/quote of adorable fear as she asks if her opponent is all right.

Though in the manga, I don't recall her being anything but disappointed after laying someone out on the ground.

rxrx · 2012-01-15, 01:36

In the manga, that was how Einhart was in the beginning before having friends, only obsess with getting stronger so she would be disappointed with opponents not able to push her to full fighting limit.

Later when she have friends, she relax a little and become less obsess in getting strong only and thus have more room to show her quiet and caring side. Loners are freaks no?

Akiyoshi · 2012-05-22, 03:33

Lol, i've been translating some stuff from the AEC and apparently the reason why Hayate doesn't have one is because the complexity of her magic (hybrid Mid and Belka) makes difficult for Caledfwlch Techniques to make a dedicated unit to her. Funny, i tought being mass weapons they could be able to suck the energy out of any mage regardless of their magic system. (Example, Strike Cannons being used by Belkan and Mid practicioners alike, heck even an EC Driver uses one).

Keroko · 2012-05-22, 03:35

Dedicated is the key word here. The strike cannon and hammer are mass-produced units, like the standard staffs and spears the grunts use. A dedicated unit would be something along the lines of the new Bardiche.

Akiyoshi · 2012-05-22, 03:38

So basically everyone save Fate and subaru are fighting the Hucks with standard euipement? Geez xDU

2011-12-02, 08:42	Link #243
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	Midchilda Helicopters might be faster than mage flight The skillset needed for aerial dogfighting and long distance flight are different Dogfighting needs acceleration and maneuverability. Travel needs sustained top speed Additionally, In episode 18 of StrikerS, Nanoha said that Subaru's traveling speed on land is faster than her flight. Granted, she was carrying Teana, though. __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

2011-12-02, 11:19	Link #245
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	Maybe the TSAB has Zeon engineers they make all their planes un-aerodynamic, but it somehow still works __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

2011-12-02, 11:27	Link #246
LostSome Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Canada	lol ! The copters again. The Hucks are using cool bikes and the trunk Veyron stole looked your everyday`s one to me. But all the communications they do are with holographic screens. __________________ Nyohohohoho ! It`s the law of the universe that only wizards die as virgins. You can`t let yourself die as a virgin, right ? -Old geezer.

2011-12-02, 11:55	Link #247
itanshi1 Writer, Jester, MtG nerd Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Nanoha Used Car Dealership. RERISE!	The whole ' i don't wish to alienate the audience too much' trap __________________ For those that belittle their favorite characters, complain about pairings, complain about oversexed images. Stop, thank you. Fear Anxiety Doubt is but a fad. The life of a fad depends entirely on the willingness to support it. Difficulty is a choice. Determination is a path. Your next great idea after your destination is the true goal.

2011-12-02, 14:26	Link #249
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	sigh We raging about the copters again? __________________

2011-12-02, 08:33	Link #242
Jimmy C Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	That wasn't the first time we had that dicussion either. The thing is, air transport vehicles are neccessary even for flight mages because flight drains magic just like fighting. Sure, they could fly 50km to the operation site on their own, but they won't be able to do much fighting once they get there. Even less if they have to fly 50km back to base on their own.

2011-12-02, 14:30	Link #250
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	^i started to talk about monitors and floating screens, they're the ones who bring the helicopters talk back on track. __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2011-12-02, 15:14	Link #251
malekith Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008	srry didnt know there had already been a discussion abouth helcopters (i didnt start it up again though only replied with my opinion)

2012-01-14, 21:54	Link #252
itanshi1 Writer, Jester, MtG nerd Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Nanoha Used Car Dealership. RERISE!	Not that I know how to differentiate this thread fromt he general discussion thread, but it is a speculative topic. I was wondering what personality Einhalt should have given what we've seen. There is Shy, meek fate clone, confident battle maniac. Then there Strauss. There must be something in here that' can be derived from this better than what we have so far. I guess I need this for fanfic writing __________________ For those that belittle their favorite characters, complain about pairings, complain about oversexed images. Stop, thank you. Fear Anxiety Doubt is but a fad. The life of a fad depends entirely on the willingness to support it. Difficulty is a choice. Determination is a path. Your next great idea after your destination is the true goal.

2012-01-14, 22:24	Link #253
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	The Vivid manga does a fine job at showing her personality, so I suggest reading through what's been scanned once or twice. She's serious and confident when it comes to combat and general life, but when someone enters her personal space and starts getting intimate she starts getting flustered because she doesn't quite know how to handle it. She's also better than Fate at keeping up a poker-face.

2012-01-14, 22:25	Link #254
itanshi1 Writer, Jester, MtG nerd Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Nanoha Used Car Dealership. RERISE!	Guess it lacks the strauss aspect more __________________ For those that belittle their favorite characters, complain about pairings, complain about oversexed images. Stop, thank you. Fear Anxiety Doubt is but a fad. The life of a fad depends entirely on the willingness to support it. Difficulty is a choice. Determination is a path. Your next great idea after your destination is the true goal.

2012-01-14, 22:28	Link #255
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	On Klauss, it's important to remember that Klauss is not a personality. Einhart only inherits his memories, and makes of that what she does by her own will.

2012-01-15, 00:25	Link #256
Sunder the Gold Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	What Keroko is saying. If Gears of Destiny is to be believed, Einhart isn't so controlled that she always holds back enough. What with her victory pose/quote of adorable fear as she asks if her opponent is all right. Though in the manga, I don't recall her being anything but disappointed after laying someone out on the ground.

2012-01-15, 01:36	Link #257
rxrx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	In the manga, that was how Einhart was in the beginning before having friends, only obsess with getting stronger so she would be disappointed with opponents not able to push her to full fighting limit. Later when she have friends, she relax a little and become less obsess in getting strong only and thus have more room to show her quiet and caring side. Loners are freaks no?

2012-05-22, 03:33	Link #258
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	Lol, i've been translating some stuff from the AEC and apparently the reason why Hayate doesn't have one is because the complexity of her magic (hybrid Mid and Belka) makes difficult for Caledfwlch Techniques to make a dedicated unit to her. Funny, i tought being mass weapons they could be able to suck the energy out of any mage regardless of their magic system. (Example, Strike Cannons being used by Belkan and Mid practicioners alike, heck even an EC Driver uses one). __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2012-05-22, 03:35	Link #259
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Dedicated is the key word here. The strike cannon and hammer are mass-produced units, like the standard staffs and spears the grunts use. A dedicated unit would be something along the lines of the new Bardiche.

2012-05-22, 03:38	Link #260
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	So basically everyone save Fate and subaru are fighting the Hucks with standard euipement? Geez xDU __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~