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With Envy he was fighting him with the sole purpose to get revenge. Even at the start before Envy was helpless "let me handle this". It's because he wanted to be the one to hurt Envy, it had nothing to do with protecting anyone. And now Envy is completely defenseless so really I see no reason why Roy has to kill him especially since he only wants to kill him for revenge. You can say that Roy could have just immobilized Lust but at no point when Roy was fighting Lust was she ever completely helpless. In fact even at the last minute it was an equal fight since right before Roy kills Lust she is about to strike him in the head. Whereas Envy is helpless at the moment in that form. The fight is over. Oddly enough perhaps the Lust fight foreshadows what is going to happen in the Envy fight. Lust says before she dies that Roy's eyes are filled with determination but she knows that a day will come when his eyes will be filled with torment. Looking at Roy's eyes in this fight with Envy I would say Lust's predictions came true. As for Scar he was on a very dark path for awhile. Yes Scar was luckily saved but he almost wasn't. In fact this is the point Scar himself can see that Roy is making the wrong decision because he was on that wrong path himself. For Scar revenge was wrong just like it would be wrong for Roy. And no I am not saying Roy would become like Scar and start attacking children. But I personally don't think what is happening to Roy at that very moment is a good thing. Even if he does get over it he is still going off that path that he set for himself. Quote:
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Why Envy should be killed? Because he will kill and make more people suffer, simple as that. If society can't defend itself in any other way than killing (and we know it can't, Envy's too powerful and his transforming abilities are too dangerous) then it is morally right to do so. As for Lust, she was helpless. Mustang was sure of himself that he could kill her. He didn't even budge when she reached for him. He didn't try to burn her another time (although he could do that) only waited for her to fall for good. As for foreshadowing, Lust's words are not referring to this situation (at least not yet). He has no sorrow in his eyes nor pain IMO. |
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She was not helpless. Neither Lust or Roy flinched at that final moment. Roy was just faster. If Lust was faster then Roy would have been killed. It's as simple as that. It's not that Roy knew Lust was a goner it was just kill or be killed. Quote:
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2009-05-08, 09:47 | Link #464 |
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I don't really see the point in this argument. The characters themselves believe Mustang shouldn't kill Envy like that, in the state of mind he's in or whatever his motives.
What's there to argue, anymore?
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Well we are not really arguing we are just debating. Debates can get heated at times but it's just a disagreement. Gooral feels Arakawa's message was wrong and I feel it was right. I think we both understand that the characters themselves feel what Roy is doing is wrong. Yes I guess eventually we will probably just have to agree to disagree. |
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2009-05-08, 10:20 | Link #466 | |
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Greed was not immobilized because he couldn't regenerate : Bradley aimed at the strange spots that are on every Homonculus' body, and that seemed to immobilize ("go to sleep", Bradley said) him. |
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2009-05-08, 11:02 | Link #467 |
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No. The stone uses condensed energy of people's souls, this energy is used for regeneration. At some point, when it's almost depleted one cannot regenerate anymore but can still live. Check chapter 56 again. As for Greed, he was killed so many times that he couldn't regenerate and he was so weakened because he died so many times. It's all connected. If Bradley could immobilize Greed then Mustang should be able to do it too, but why bother? |
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2009-05-08, 11:24 | Link #470 | |
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http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/31/16/ As for Glutonny, he still had energy in the stone, but not enough to regenerate : how could Mustang know that? Plus, why he would do that against an enemy who can reach so far? Lust was extremely dangerous, but Envy isn't. He is weak, weak and weak. And once you kill him, it's easy to keep him in a jar and question him. |
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2009-05-08, 13:02 | Link #472 |
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The guy passed away because he had blades stuck in those spots! When have we seen a Homonculus sleep, except for Sloth? Those spots are special, like a weakness that only them know. A weakness that only the Homonculus born from human doesn't have.
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2009-05-08, 21:17 | Link #473 |
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Don't post scanslations here! Considering that we can't ask for where to find something liscensed I highly doubt we can make URL post to them.
I just found out that yes, you can not make post like that. Last edited by Charred Knight; 2009-05-09 at 07:18. |
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I disagree that it's his sole reason for revenge. Are you saying that he doesn't care about people killed by Envy? About Envy being the one that caused a war? It's only his main reason and it can be his main reason because he doesn't have to worry about his friends being hurt by Envy. Unless Arakawa shows what goes in Mustang's mind you can't tell if I'm wrong or not. And since I'm already writing in this thread I might as well respond to this: Quote:
Look again into volume 8th, page 20 of 30th chapter (page 26th in my version of tankobon) and look at the beginning of chapter 56. What do we see? In both cases homonculi can't move. Would you say that Gluttony was laying down because he was hit at certain spots? Don't think so. And why are you assuming that Greed is sleeping? Saying that those spots are special is a big over-interpretation. BTW, we know what will happen to Envy, i.e. Spoiler for 95th chapter:
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And you didn't answer my question. Are you saying that he doesn't care about people killed by Envy? About Envy being the one that caused a war? If you read FMA manga attentively you would know the answer. |
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And Roy probably doesn't really care about people killed by Envy(asides from Hughes) but he probably detest Envy for starting the war(does Roy even know it was Envy? All I remember is Ed telling only Scar and nobody else) I can't find any any line that anyone telling Roy the cause of the war was Envy.
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This whole revenge argument is stupid. Great things can happen from bad scenarios or intentions just as hell is paved with good intentions. If a Jew whose family was killed by the Nazi's in the Holocaust wanted to kill every single Nazi in charge for revenge, and pulls it off, is that not a good thing? In this case Envy is way too much a pain to manage in upcoming battles and it would make the most logical sense to kill him off, who does it really doesn't matter. Mustang's hatred is targeted directly towards Envy otherwise he wouldn't have bothered asking Envy if he killed Hughes and just said that he was going to kill all Homunculi and make Father pay.
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On Roy and Father, I could think of one reason why he shouldn't kill Envy. If he does burn Envy up, he'll probably think that Father would go down the same way, which we know is impossible. Aside from Hoho, I think no one who knows Renkinjitsu will beat him.
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