2010-07-28, 15:03 | Link #7022 | |
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Nagi's advantage in this scenario is that time is on her side. Hayate can't possibly see her as a little girl forever. I imagine a fresh round of Athena vs Nagi is in the cards eventually, though. None of the other girls have had enough development to play that role nearly as well as Athena can. I do think Hina will end up doing something, but I'm not sure what exactly. Ayumu has already found a role for herself that doesn't require her to chase Hayate forever. |
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2010-07-28, 15:06 | Link #7023 | |
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He promise to be with her always but he is not.
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2010-07-28, 15:22 | Link #7025 |
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He's with her always as much as he's always protecting Nagi (I assume she doesn't go with him when he goes to the market and such things). They both exist in each other's heart. Even when they were separated for the ten years, they were together because they kept thinking of each other.
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2010-07-28, 15:54 | Link #7026 | |||||
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If you claim it "developed", then it must have changed meaningfully over time. Please try to summarize what development that would have been. Likewise, there has been NO development in Nagi's feelings towards Hayate. She still thinks that Hayate is in love with her, this fundamental perspective NEVER changes. Quote:
You can't possibly be serious ^_^ For your sake, I presume that you want to say that Hayate doesn't consider Hina romantically. And that's obviously wrong - think about his reaction to Maria's "It's totally impossible that someone so super-cute and all-around great like Hina would fall for Hayate" smackdown. Or the time when he freaks out in the bath on the thought that Hina's washing herself in there, too. Their extreme blushing whenever they touch (multiple occasions), and when they were pretty close to kissing on the cliff. The only thing missing is Hayate's clear realization that Hina is in love with him. Should this ever change, I'm convinced that HnG is entering the end run. Which means it's not going to be anytime soon. Quote:
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Maria - most likely. Ayumu has found her role, and it's a different one. But yes, I'm definitely not counting Hina out yet. |
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2010-07-28, 16:37 | Link #7027 | ||
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When he first starts working for Nagi, Hayate is primarily concerned with keeping his new job and trying to impress Maria with looking cool for Nagi rating a distant third. A couple chapters in, he outright monologues that he's mostly doing it for the money, but part of him doesn't want to betray her expectations. There's a gradual shift over time with various signposts causing him to introspect a bit along the way. Mikado telling him his life is worthless is one of them. His declaration that he'll always care for Nagi even if she dislikes him (After she sells him to Isumi) is another. His reaction to Ayumu's confession even takes himself by surprise. His utter freakout during the Shimoda arc followed by his swearing on Yukariko's grave to protect her for the rest of his life is another one. Aside from that, he gets notably more clingy and fussy over her with time, to the point that he's moping because "school is boring when Ojo-sama isn't around" and even seeing her face in the friggen moon after being away for a whole day during the Butler Quest Arc. Simply put, he goes from being a man grateful to her for saving his life to one that hates to be separated from her for any length of time. There's other little touches like him trying to start up a conversation about anime when he's at Hina's house because "Golly, Ojo-sama and I could have discussed this for hours!" Another good example would be the time at the summer fair where Nagi buys the complicated russian camera and Hayate tells her "You know, that attitude is exactly what I like about you." He simply doesn't say things like this early on. And of course there's Nagi breaking the stone, which not only prompted his "At that moment, I saw the future" line, but he's been staring at Nagi from time to time ever since, almost like he's trying to figure something out. When Athena asks about Nagi, Hayate talks about his gratitude towards her, but it's the way he smiles while talking about how difficult she is that brings Athena up short and causes her to shift gears. He's always interested in protecting Nagi, yes, but his feelings pretty clearly shift more and more from pure gratitude to personal affection and attachment over time. The Nagi question is more complicated and I'll get to it later, maybe. Quote:
There's no question that Hayate is attracted to Hina, (As he is Maria) but he hasn't displayed any strong signs so far of having deeper feelings for her. |
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2010-07-28, 16:44 | Link #7028 | |
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2010-07-28, 17:19 | Link #7030 | ||||
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My point is that I can't remember a SINGLE scene in which Hayate considers Nagi in a romantic context. However, there are multiple scenes showing that he does NOT consider her this way. Quote:
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Athena already won the original "Royal Garden" story, from which Hayate no Gotoku was born. The remaining story will - in my opinion - be resolved either with the canonic Nagi ending after a time jump (possible, but so far not exactly a fan favorite), or with Hina. She has accumulated way too many fans and karma points to be ignored. She MUST be rewarded. The only question is "how". |
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2010-07-28, 17:32 | Link #7031 | |
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2010-07-28, 17:43 | Link #7032 | |||
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Hata is going to have to speed things up to advance the story another 6 months without taking 6 years to do it, but you know there's enough foreshadowing that we'll hit those dates eventually. Quote:
I'm sure Hina will get some kind of happy ending, but I'm very skeptical she'll end up with Hayate. Don't forget she had Yukiji show up a while back just to tell her to go ahead and hurt herself all she wants for now, and let big sis pick up the pieces later, along with some wink wink nudge nudge comments about "as long as you have someone." I really doubt that kind of foreshadowing won't end up meaning anything. |
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2010-07-28, 18:48 | Link #7033 | |||
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It's possible for Hayate because he does mention that he thought of her on a pretty consistent basis. It could probably be said for Athena as well, as she might have sent him away in the first place to keep him from getting killed, and is shown regretting having sent him away directly after. Quote:
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She dealt with the debt herself to protect Hina from being hurt by it, but now she seems to realize that she needs to get hurt some to continue to grow. The only happy ending possible for Hinagiku right now (romantically at least) seems to be couched in Hayate anyways, she's shown nil romantic attraction towards her own gender, and there isn't anyone else in the story strong enough to fill the position unless Hata decides to throw in another character just for her.
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2010-07-28, 19:01 | Link #7034 | |
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My best guess is that either she does eventually get an alternate love interest, or else Ayumu and Yukiji will end up comforting her. |
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2010-07-28, 19:21 | Link #7035 | |
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Risa has the person she kissed, who might not have been introduced, but beyond that, there are personality matches within the existing characters. Nagi herself has two other possibilities, Miki has more implied interactions and same with Izumi.
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2010-07-28, 19:43 | Link #7036 | |
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Maria and Athena have no obvious matches, Wataru himself is going to be breaking at least 2 girls hearts, and Ayumu has no one unless you're still matching her with Miki for some reason. Bottom line is that there isn't enough male characters in this series to keep a whole bunch of girls from ending up unmatched. Which I'm ok with, actually. I like sensible pairings of secondary characters, but making sure everyone has a love interest by the end of a story just because annoys me. |
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2010-07-28, 20:08 | Link #7037 | |
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Both Ayumu and Miki don't need a male character for them. Miki doesn't seem interested in them, and Ayumu has shown that she doesn't care about a person's sexual orientation before deciding if she likes them. Mentioning Wataru's leaving broken hearts reminds me that Saki doesn't have anyone, but as she's not part of Hayate's harem I wasn't considering her, Aika either. Nagi has shown some interest in both Wataru and Kazuki, but denies it to herself because she thinks she's Hayate's soulmate at the points when they interact. How she would react to them now might have a different outlook since the Golden Week arc and her maturity gained. I would say that there's quite a bit of possibility for something to happen given that Nagi is in a similar position to Wataru now. Pair the Spares and HnG's love of playing with tropes and similar says that Hata's probably going to give everyone a match.
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2010-07-29, 01:48 | Link #7038 | ||
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Hina is the "eye-level" match. Nagi isn't on the playing field yet, and what binds them is a promise of care and protection, not love. Quote:
That's the thing. Except for the "I must care for and protect Milady", Hayate and Nagi have no bond, they have nothing in common. They're of different ages. They have different interests. They enjoy different things. They may be fine in a milady-butler relationship, in which Hayate usually takes the place of a worried parent trying to tear a spoiled kid out of her hikikomori-dom, but the leap to "this is the girl I love and want to spend my life with" in a romantic context seems very, very far to me. |
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2010-07-29, 02:04 | Link #7039 |
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Not really, Hayate has already asked Maria that question, and she's made it clear she's never been in love with anyone. Hayate seems to be the first guy she's ever had any feelings for. As for Athena, it was made clear as well she's only had heart for Hayate. There's Machina, but he's not human, and their relationship is clearly not one of romantic undertones in the slightest.
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2010-07-29, 02:26 | Link #7040 | |
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Maria has clearly not been open about her past, it's possible that she just didn't want to share something. Her reading the letter from the flashback when she was the school president says that she knows something about love. Coupled with her clear affection for Nagi, she seems to think that romance is something different. Can't say anything more about the theories without getting cries of epileptic trees and wild guessing, so I'll leave it at that.
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