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Old 2009-12-20, 14:25   Link #21521
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JIf there is something English is hard is in the pronunciation, as it is no a phonetic language.
I have to agree on this one. I don't have too much trouble with my English when it comes to writing (and have learned a lot by just reading around instead of intensive studying), but do I get nervous when I actually have to talk to someone in person! Even if I know how a word is supposed to sound, things like actually putting the stress where it belongs can be surprisingly hard (mostly because the stress is almost always on the first syllable in my dear old mother tongue, of course, but still).

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There IS a variable for completing the Mikuru scenes, so, yeah. Fun times when they meet up with Haruhi again.
Urk. Wouldn't want to be in their shoes when that happens
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Old 2009-12-20, 16:42   Link #21522
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English is really easy to learn, at least the learning curve doesn't have a rather large "slow beginning." The language is However, in my experience, learning English plateaus rather quickly as one get into the who vs whom, or when to use ",", ";" and ":", or properly matching a pronoun with what the pronoun refers to or even comparisons. The last two examples are actually readily found. I'm having trouble thinking of concrete example to demonstrate my point.

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Old 2009-12-20, 17:45   Link #21523
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However, in my experience, learning English plateaus rather quickly as one get into the who vs whom, or when to use ",", ";" and ":", or properly matching a pronoun with what the pronoun refers to or even comparisons.
Even native English speakers have trouble with that stuff, man.
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Old 2009-12-20, 17:48   Link #21524
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Even native English speakers have trouble with that stuff, man.
Native English speakers often seem to have trouble with "your" vs "you're", "they're" vs "their", and "its" vs "it's."

Also, a lot of people seem to not know how to use punctuation with quotation marks.
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Old 2009-12-20, 18:18   Link #21525
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Native English speakers often seem to have trouble with "your" vs "you're", "they're" vs "their", and "its" vs "it's."

Also, a lot of people seem to not know how to use punctuation with quotation marks.
I blame American English grammar rules. They're devoid of common sense.
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Old 2009-12-20, 18:31   Link #21526
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Also, a lot of people seem to not know how to use punctuation
This statement is far more accurate when ended here.

Only usually non-extremist anime nerds seem to know how to use punctuation. Everyone else forgets everything except question marks and exclaimation points exist, and when they are remembered, they're used in excess.

"omg did u no ?????????????????????????????????????? im so happy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Old 2009-12-20, 18:34   Link #21527
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I blame American English grammar rules. They're devoid of common sense.
It's because English is a bastard tongue of various other language's.
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Old 2009-12-20, 21:46   Link #21528
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There is also "its" and "it's" and the "?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!" thing.
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Old 2009-12-20, 22:38   Link #21529
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When going to school, and first year of College, I heard a lot of different French teachers say that it's easier to learn French than it is to learn English. I don't know how English compares to the other languages, but vis a vis French, it seems to be harder (from what I've heard).


One of the issues with English is that we have often have a plethora of different words for the same basic meaning (i.e. wonderful, marvelous, splendid, excellent, magnificent, etc...; awful, terrible, horrible, horrific, tragic, etc...).

Now, there may be a very nuanced difference with some of these words, but in actual everyday use, they're totally interchangable.


I've heard it said that most other languages don't have the same immense variety of words for the same basic meaning.
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Old 2009-12-20, 22:43   Link #21530
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Speaking English is easier than my mother tongue. Writing English, however, is harder than my mother tongue.
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Old 2009-12-21, 00:11   Link #21531
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Native English speakers often seem to have trouble with "your" vs "you're", "they're" vs "their", and "its" vs "it's."
Sometimes it's just apostrophes in general.
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Old 2009-12-21, 00:36   Link #21532
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I've been asking around, and only native English speakers say that. : |
Maybe you could say it's one of the hardest to perfect. There are just so many ways to mess up if you weren't born with the language.

Particularly in writing.
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Old 2009-12-21, 01:47   Link #21533
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Well, now that I seem to have accidentally started a major discussion...

@The English is hard/English is easy crowd: I agree with dragon4dudes's graph. I also posit that most of America is stuck somewhere in the middle of the hump.

The problem I often see with English is that, as Heatth pointed out, it lacks a lot of the grammatical structure that other languages have, which makes it initially simpler to learn but creates a lot of oddball nuances (hanged versus hung, for a fun discussion of holdouts from Middle English). This also tends to make it difficult for native English speakers to learn other languages if they do not begin to do so at a (relatively) young age or have a knack for it.

Then you get into the issue of the development of regional syntactical and grammatical variations (which at least do not yet seem to be as deep as the Arabic regional variations) and things go to pot.
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Old 2009-12-21, 02:11   Link #21534
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Maybe you could say it's one of the hardest to perfect. There are just so many ways to mess up if you weren't born with the language.

Particularly in writing.
Well it's not so much being born with it as just growing up learning it. I spoke exclusively Chinese until 5 years of age and now I'm goddamn radical at English (and can barely speak Chinese).
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Old 2009-12-21, 02:18   Link #21535
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I can attest for that. Just replace Chinese with Vietnamese and, well, add a couple of ESL experiences.
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Old 2009-12-21, 05:47   Link #21536
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ITT: Language is silly.


In other news, I have completely yet another work of craftsmanship.

Spoiler for September the Sixth, Day 5, Mikuru: Flashes In Space- Memories in Pieces (ASAHINA):


Ahaha.

This sequence is why you never let Haruki near women like Mikuru.

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Old 2009-12-21, 05:55   Link #21537
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Wait, what, I don't even...

Mind = blown. Excuse me as I go filter out neural ooze.
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Old 2009-12-21, 06:01   Link #21538
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... I'd say that it's a good example of why you never let Haruki near women period.

All in all, this was certainly fun to read. Probably fun to write, too.
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Old 2009-12-21, 07:13   Link #21539
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When going to school, and first year of College, I heard a lot of different French teachers say that it's easier to learn French than it is to learn English. I don't know how English compares to the other languages, but vis a vis French, it seems to be harder (from what I've heard).
I seriously doubt that. English seens very easier then French to me. Even if French is relativelly similar to Portuguese (it is the most different of the Latin languages, tough).

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One of the issues with English is that we have often have a plethora of different words for the same basic meaning (i.e. wonderful, marvelous, splendid, excellent, magnificent, etc...; awful, terrible, horrible, horrific, tragic, etc...).

Now, there may be a very nuanced difference with some of these words, but in actual everyday use, they're totally interchangable.


I've heard it said that most other languages don't have the same immense variety of words for the same basic meaning.
I also doubtthe last statement. Idon't know enough of any other language to say, but it is just like that in Portuguese.

Look some exemples with the "same"(or similar) set of words: maravilhoso(a), esplêndido(a), exelente, magnífico(a), incrível...; terrível, horrível, horroroso, trágico, medonho... I can only imagine it is the same in most languages.

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Speaking English is easier than my mother tongue. Writing English, however, is harder than my mother tongue.
I am curious about your mother tongue. It is just the oposite as it is for me.

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Sometimes it's just apostrophes in general.
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Curiously, I find apostrophes pretty easy. You put then to "replace" a letter that goes missing due to contractions right? Pretty easy to remeber where to put. The exeption is the "'s" to indicate possession. But I can't even imagine how someone would mistake it for the plural 's'.

About English being hard to master. It might be true, but so is for most, if not all, languages. Fortunetly, people do not need to master it to hold a decent conversation. Most English native speakers haven't mastered it (as most people of any language have mastered their mother tongue) and most casual books are in a simpler variation (even if well writen, it is easier to read then to write). One just need to learn enough to easily understand most of things and be easly understood by most people. This is true for any language.

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ITT: Language is silly.
Truest statement so far.

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In other news, I have completely yet another work of craftsmanship.

Spoiler for September the Sixth, Day 5, Mikuru: Flashes In Space- Memories in Pieces (ASAHINA):


Ahaha.

This sequence is why you never let Haruki near women like Mikuru.
Well, this was funny. Mikuru should be thankful Haruhi is not a man... Haruki should also be glad Mitsuuru is not a girl, his changes if Kyon-chan would be rether slim otherwise.

Anyway, this scene was funy, hilarious. Heck, why you don't just give up this silly VN thing and start a fanfic with all female cast exept Haruki? It would be hilarious.
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lol it's it Mikuru or Mitsuuru XD

noooo must not quit XD
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