Hayate no Gotoku manga (raw discussion only)

[Wolfnagi]

Around chapter 140-150

[Game8910]

chapter 146

[Wolfnagi]

So what will happen now??
Isumi vs Hayate= Interruption
Right?
BTW,damn you game8910 on Mangafox, Nagi votes =Athena votes,
damn you

[Game8910]

wolfnagi u might want to reduce the size of the pic in your sig, its prob breaking rules on AmineSuki standards

[Wolfnagi]

Done, Rducing my signature

[Used Can]

Okay, I don't know if these are legit, but this is all I've got.

Spoiler for Spoilers for ch.249:

Hayate: "What do you mean by destruction, Isumi?
Sakuya: W-wait, Isumi... are you serious?
Isumi: ....

Title: The reason behind the choice.
Hayate: (If I hand over the gem, the world will end. However, if I destroy it, the inheritance... what should I do?)
Hayate: Excuse me... Isumi
Isumi: What is it?
Hayate: What do you mean by the end of the world?
Sakuya: Y-Yes! You should give explain that now.
Isumi: Okay, I'll give you a brief explanation.

From here on, Isumi tells them about the Royal Garden, and about Midas.

Isumi: Have you heard of the Royal Garden?
Hayate: !!
Hayate recalls that place.
Sakuya: Royal Garden? As in as garden for royalty? (Yes, this sounds stupid, but you've got to remember "Royal Garden" is said in English, and they're speaking in Japanese.)
Isumi: Indeed, that's the castle of the King that became a god. The noble spirit, King Midas, who was sealed there.
Sakuya: Seal? Noble Spirit?
Isumi: Yes

Spoiler for Here's the whole thing in Japanese:

ハヤテ「破壊って…伊澄さん…!?」
かまえてる伊澄
咲夜「ちょ…伊澄さん…本気なんか？」
伊澄「…」

タイトル「選択の理由」
ハヤテ(石を渡せば…世界が終わるかもしれない…だけど石を壊したら遺産が…どうする…？)
(…ってあれ？)
ハヤテ「あのー伊澄さん？」
伊澄「なんですか？」
ハヤテ「世界が終わるってどういうことなんですか？」
咲夜「そ、そや!急に話がでかなってるし！汗」
伊澄「…少し話をしましょう…」
お札をしまう
ここからロイガとミダスについての説明

伊澄「ロイヤルガーデン…をご存じですか？」
ハヤテ「!!」
ハヤテ思い出す
咲夜「ロイヤルガーデン？王族の…庭…？」
伊澄「そうです…神になろうした王の城があると言われています…キングミダスはそこに封印されていると言わ れている英霊です。」
咲夜「封印？英霊が？」
伊澄「ええ。」

続く

Spoiler for Here's the second part (which I haven't translated):

悲恋の死を遂げたミダスはカップルを憎み暴れたため封印されることに
通常は誰も入れないロイガだが、ある条件のもと道が開く

行ったことがあるというハヤテに驚く二人
日本のしかも近所
伊澄(あの辺で霊的磁場が強いのは…)
ハヤテ(たしかあそこはあの後…)
同時に気づく二人
「白皇学園…!?」

[Game8910]

ooooh!!! wait i kinda already knew most of that

[lua thien]

Even if Midas is taken out, Athena is still a very formidable opponent with ten years worth of spite and rage. Regarding the stone that's being sought, just make a duplicate and hand the fake over.

[zodanhko]

Originally Posted by lua thien

Even if Midas is taken out, Athena is still a very formidable opponent with ten years worth of spite and rage. Regarding the stone that's being sought, just make a duplicate and hand the fake over.

If by "spite" and "rage," you meant she had been blaming herself for the last 10 years, then yes.
But I don't think those feelings have anything to do with her power; she, herself, possesses immense power.

Bold: If hands over the fake stone can break the bond to reduce the opponent's power, Isumi would not want to break the real stone. And Isumi's real intention was most likely to never let Midas have a chance in obtaining the real stone, thus reducing world's destruction to 0%.

[lua thien]

Originally Posted by zodanhko

If by "spite" and "rage," you meant she had been blaming herself for the last 10 years, then yes.
But I don't think those feelings have anything to do with her power; she, herself, possesses immense power.

Bold: If hands over the fake stone can break the bond to reduce the opponent's power, Isumi would not want to break the real stone. And Isumi's real intention was most likely to never let Midas have a chance in obtaining the real stone, thus reducing world's destruction to 0%.

Well, the emotions don't directly feed power but they can be motivational tools on a mental scale when channeled and focused properly.

Regarding what I posted about the stone, I was thinking about what said on the point of agreement that Athena and Midas had in order for the possession to take full effect. Just an idea on using deception to make the pair think they achieved a common objective.

[Koroshiya_Kame_13]

Originally Posted by lua thien

Just an idea on using deception to make the pair think they achieved a common objective.

Doubt that'll work. All the stones look the same but Athena was able to identify that Hayate's stone was the Original Stone. If she can differentiate, then she should be able to tell a real and a fake stone apart.

[lua thien]

Originally Posted by Koroshiya_Kame_13

Doubt that'll work. All the stones look the same but Athena was able to identify that Hayate's stone was the Original Stone. If she can differentiate, then she should be able to tell a real and a fake stone apart.

Damn, forgot about that. Well, not many options left other than destroying the stone.

[zodanhko]

Originally Posted by lua thien

Well, the emotions don't directly feed power but they can be motivational tools on a mental scale when channeled and focused properly.

What you stated above doesn't really fit your description of how Athena is a formidable opponent due to her "spite" and "rage" which make her mind more unclear, clouded, and confused, instead of making her more "focused and channeled properly."

Originally Posted by lua thien

Regarding what I posted about the stone, I was thinking about what said on the point of agreement that Athena and Midas had in order for the possession to take full effect. Just an idea on using deception to make the pair think they achieved a common objective.

Simplicity kills the cat? If it works, I think Isumi would know it. And it's kinda hilarious if Midas got trick by some kids taking the serious situation and all.

[Rah]

No accurate spoilers yet. What Used Can said might be true. Hata is really dragging it with all the obvious crap...


Anyway, here's a pretty nice Nagi AMV that some moonman made. The link below the vid is the dl. For all the heathens & infidels it's the first step to convert to the real true goddess. ♥

http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=668450112

[Teleutao]

Well to be fair, we know this stuff but the CHARACTERS don't. Sort of like how we all know who likes Hayate but he remains oblivious to it. If the spoiler was correct then the information has been spread out to them and the plot can know move on to finding new information about Midas and the Royal Garden (since it wouldn't make sense to introduce new info if they technically didn't know the old info).

I'd say Athena's "infinite power" probably could be affected by her negative emotions. After all, a weapon in the hands of a skilled user is dangerous, but a weapon in the hands of a skilled user with rage issues is REALLY dangerous. I don't know what her take on all this is, but with Midas in control it's a good bet that he can cause some massive destruction to lure them out. Athena certainly seemed to want (or possibly need) the stone but she did also value Hayate and I'm not entirely sure which she "chose". I think she chose the stone, though, and even if she didn't she may have now after the latest incident with Hayate.

Damn, this is really getting confusing. I'd like to at least see the other characters and our alleged "heroines" Nagi and Maria. Seriously, it's time for some input from the others on this whole mess.

[Wolfnagi]

ditto to you teleutao.
I want Nagi to be involved in this situation
BTW, Emperor Rah, what the vid shows about?

[zodanhko]

Originally Posted by Teleutao

I'd say Athena's "infinite power" probably could be affected by her negative emotions. After all, a weapon in the hands of a skilled user is dangerous, but a weapon in the hands of a skilled user with rage issues is REALLY dangerous. I don't know what her take on all this is, but with Midas in control it's a good bet that he can cause some massive destruction to lure them out. Athena certainly seemed to want (or possibly need) the stone but she did also value Hayate and I'm not entirely sure which she "chose". I think she chose the stone, though, and even if she didn't she may have now after the latest incident with Hayate.

Wrong connotation. Weapons holder are "dangerous" while in rage simply because they go crazy, go physco with no mental control. The only people that's more "dangerous" than the strongest man are the people with mental issues.
In most cases or all the cases as far as I know, infinity power doesn't come from your emotion.

In chapter 247, I think it's very clearly stated by Athena that she doesn't want the stone (at least, not anymore) although she certainly needs it.

[Himegami Akane]

She doesn't want, but Midas seems to be forcing her to want it...well...

oh, hi to you all

[Koroshiya_Kame_13]

I found another spoiler, don't know if its genuine or not. I won't do all the translation since I'm busy now so I'll just post the RAW spoiler.

Spoiler for RAW Chapter 249 Spoilers:

第249話『生死の境界』
咲夜が何故世界が滅ぶなんて話になるのかと聞く
伊澄曰く、ミダスの未練が達成されてはいけないから
ミダス王の未練は自分が死なせた娘に会うこと。そのためにも王玉の力が欲しい
でも｢その未練を果たすため王玉の力で生死の境界壊したいとか馬鹿なの死ぬの？
ホイホイ死人が復活したらこの世はどうなんのよ。頭おかしいんじゃないの｣と伊澄怒り気味
娘さんが生まれ変わっている可能性も示唆。これは嘘バレ。ここで夜が明ける
曰く、伊澄も昔似たようなことをしようとして取り返しのつかないことになった(幼ナギのカット )
だから、と改めてハヤテの王玉を破壊すると宣言
術でハヤテを縛り、ハヤテの胸部の王玉に人差し指を宛がい、選択を促す

場面代わってヒナギク夜通し散歩。悶々してる
更にところ代わってマキナが三千院の別荘に踏み込む
ナギマリアの寝室のドアを開けたところでハムに見つかり次回へ

Sakuya asks why the world is going to be destroyed. Isumi says Midas King needs the stone to revive someone. Isumi uses a spell to bind Hayate and is preparing to destroy the stone. Scene shifts to Hinagiku taking a gloomy walk at night. She enters the Sanzen'in mansion and sees Nagi and Maria...

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Koroshiya_Kame_13

Isumi says she'll go back in time.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Please, anything but that.

I thought my spoilers were bad, but this is even worse.

Anyway, both spoilers share one point, i.e. nothing happens.

Let us hope both spoilers are fake.