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10: Amazing... | 5 | 7.58% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 9 | 13.64% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 25 | 37.88% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 13 | 19.70% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 8 | 12.12% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 2 | 3.03% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 1 | 1.52% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 1 | 1.52% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 1 | 1.52% | |
1 out of 10: Tortuous... | 1 | 1.52% | |
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll |
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2011-10-31, 19:43 | Link #101 | |
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I don't think episode 4 advanced in terms of plot that much although it is very interesting to see the Ship and Grodek figuring it out, but I say Woolf far makes up for it. I was pleasantly surprised, because I assumed it was going to be boring because a story arc ended last week but it turned out to be an engaging fun episode.
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2011-10-31, 20:25 | Link #102 |
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Well, few comments...
As far as plot. Well, "practice battle" -> enemy appears. Like I didn't expect that. Not complaining about it myself, just that I predicted it 5 minutes before the UE appears...White Wolf is your typical arrogant (yet "mentor-like") ace, nothing new there either, except that he should have use a real gun and destroy Gundam already (Flit is just not a good pilot, not that I expect him to be since that would be unrealistic). On the other hand, I already miss Yurin. What's Emily trying to accomplish? Being the most annoying Gundam heroine since Nina Purpleton? On last note, it's not like this series is even bad (If anything, it's a return to earlier Gundam series), it just lack a Captain Bright to slap Flit around and kiddish character design. But plot? Certainly better than 00 in my opinion. What does the series lack? I guess a badass like Char... |
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What made Turn A and V Gundam so good IMO despite a credible disliking of character designs was the mishmash of genre elements...Putting affable designs to the backdrop of such brutality and harshness makes for an interesting genre bend...To do this in a matter-of-fact way to the backdrop of more implied vulgarity is tough if you really don't enjoy the designs... I get it, it's not for me, but still for it to be this simple early on, it's tuff... Quote:
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2011-10-31, 20:51 | Link #104 |
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I still remember people got excited about 00 first ep, then complain for the next several eps until the Trinity's appearance because how boring it was with their "mission of the week" and slow pace.
Now I see history repeats itself, with different audiences. Fascinating, no?
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2011-10-31, 20:58 | Link #105 | |
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I guess it does takes people's time to adjust back to single Gundam mode (Starts with W, then really blew out of proportion with Seed/Seed-D, and 00 continues that trend just to sell Plamo...). Of course, we all know more Gundam = more male character = more fujoshis watching Gundam...(No, I'm not talking about, let say, Gundam Exia "doing it" with Gundam Dynames. Wait, wrong series) |
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2011-10-31, 21:12 | Link #106 |
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I LOVED Gundam 00 first arc, and never felt like it was boring or slow...I really got what Mizushima was trying to achieve with it relying on character motivations as the key to telling the story rather than over-accentuating the procedural "Gundam" elements...I didn't start getting squirrelly until the GnX's started showing up and spelled the beginning of the tech f**k-fest...The only thing that brought my grade down on OO was the treatment of Graham's character (He had no plot powers) and the over-reliance on spam at the end (Gagas GoodGod)...Everything else was great, then the movie had to fudge it up a bit, but such is life^^...
But for me it's not so much Gundam Age is boring or slow, it's that it doesn't have any layers...Certainly not enuff to combat the obvious criticisms of it's "kiddiness"...I mean 4 episodes into any show usually there are good hints of this (As you get to understand the atmosphere and formula of a show), but it hasn't shown any so far IMO... Back to GundamOO...Without comparing it to Age unfairly, even if you thought it was slow, you couldn't deny all the moving parts that were being woven...
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2011-10-31, 21:14 | Link #107 | ||
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IMO sometimes a simple but fun experience is all it takes, and AGE has certainly been fun so far. A bit bland, like I said, but definitely fun.
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2011-10-31, 21:24 | Link #108 | |
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How can someone think of: http://images.wikia.com/inuyasha/ima...asha-child.jpg When seeing Woolf? |
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2011-10-31, 21:35 | Link #109 | |
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Gonna start the club thread in any case. Oh and about the worst trend I've seen started this week. Bitching about Emily's actions this episode. Apparently people just can't stand it when female characters are passive-aggressive and apparently they just do not get what her goal was this episode at all. It could not possibly have been more clear that she's worried about Flit's safety and wants him to not pilot the Gundam anymore so that he doesn't have to risk his life. I don't see how that's annoying in any conceivable way, it's more like showing another side to their relationship and how deep it goes, but eh...not expecting too many people to be in sync with this show anymore. Didn't happen with Gundam 00, why should it happen here? Care to err...describe what you mean by cliches? Just asking cause people love to spam that word and never with any sort of description as to what they mean. Seriously don't be afraid to go into detail or anything, it'll probably save your post. Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2011-10-31 at 21:58. |
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2011-10-31, 21:37 | Link #110 | ||
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@ brightman - Well that's in the eye of the beholder, just like the AGE debate...There were some pretentious elements no doubt about it, but I thought it was fresh to use the motivations of the characters as a device for the plot rather than the result...And if you've read enuff of my posts you probably know i love hearing myself talk^^ and preachiness and pontificating (In the Gundam sense) can be extremely entertaining to me...Good debates while fighting is what i live for in Gundam...Having those ideas and thoughts being the weight of that beam-sword swing is what I pay for, so I probably enjoyed those elements much more than you...
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2011-10-31, 22:00 | Link #111 | ||
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Gundam 00 isn't a debate - its just the writer writing about simple concepts and making them as convoluted as possible so they seem more complicated than they really are. AGE isn't a debate either - at least not yet. The creators have hinted that there will be themes regarding generation gaps later on. I look forward to what that entails. For now, I enjoy the show for what it is - a simple mecha story about a kid fighting an unknown enemy. Besides, there's plenty of subplots to keep me entertained and I like that (so far) none of these elements involve superficial "complexities", like long-lost twin brothers, artificial robot mass-produced clone things, shiny-eye brainwaves, all-knowing super computers, magic pixie particles, etc. that aren't really allegorical of anything in the real world Quote:
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2011-10-31, 22:04 | Link #112 | |
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Again I strangely feel like I've been through this kind of shit before. I have no idea when or where that could have possibly been though. Like seriously, if people want things to be grimdark and whatnot then why are they still watching this show when they KNOW that sort of thing was never intended other than to bitch. I genuinely want an answer from wingdarkness in particular, but also from Deacon Blues. Like prove to me there's a point to this sort of discussion in this particular thread and I'll gladly engage in it, but otherwise it just looks like stupid whining and bitching to me that's going to lead to a whole lot of nothing other than a really bad thread in the end. |
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2011-10-31, 22:12 | Link #113 | |
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Aside from you, I don't remember anyone got excited about the cat-ears. And bland could be fun. I've seen people mashing through Dynasty Gundam, and while I feel the game as bland as possible, I was having fun playing it with my friends. I could have fun while playing Go, or Chess, but that doesn't mean I couldn't enjoy something bland.
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2011-10-31, 22:28 | Link #114 |
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The layers will probably be there once we know how Flit's son and grandson fit into the story. The problem with AGE is that it's supposed to be a story about three generations, but the series have so far only stucked with Flit. So whether it's because they don't want to reveal things too early or something else, this beginning part of the story might just feel too slow for some people or lack any depth/layers/whatever.
And for what it's worth, the story does seem to be moving a bit slow for something that will cover nearly a hundred year's worth of conflict and three generations. By comparison, some other Gundam series filled some 50-odd episodes with one year's worth of conflict/story. On the other hand, I can't help but enjoy it so far. So, certainly, I can see some merits from both sides. |
2011-10-31, 22:38 | Link #115 | |
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Maybe also looking like they are here to take part in a community discussion and not just to bitch or hear themselves talk would help to build a little more common ground as well. Though I might be asking too much in this particular case. An example of what I'd call a good relatable critical post is kaito-kids from earlier. Guy was very detailed about what he liked and what he didn't like and says that he's looking forward to the show picking up. That kind of post shows an open mind and that he's open to discussion on his points and possibly expects it. An example of ones I have a hard time relating too would be Deacon Blues or Ramps. Both are very short, don't do much to explain their grievances, are full of hyperbole, and just come across as vaguely trollbaitish. An example of one that is just plain confusing would be everything that wingdarkness has written for the last page or so. Like I said to that one Scr3wius guy from a couple weeks ago, people just have to do better if they want people to take their critical posts seriously and not as trollbait. Just be clear, be at least moderately detailed and for the love of god don't spam and hijack the thread and I'm sure we'll all get along. I hate having to think this is too much to ask. |
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I think Gundam OO will be seen as one of the most ambitious and unique G-shows 20 years from now...As much as I love Tomino's works, to call OO more pretentious than some of his stuff is a slippery slope... Although I do get what you are saying, I like nondescript storytelling at times...It's as if Mizushima was saying to me that being a loyal fan of Gundam, he didn't need to coddle me by reintroducing the procedural elements (He's walking on the 2nd level from the start)...He just dove deep into the pool like eff-it... As the story progresses you get a sense that he's created a show that's innately Gundam, yet exists outside of it...Then it's almost a prequel of sorts to the franchise...I think there's more depth than people realized, but that's up to debate... Quote:
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@windarkness: Sometimes, it's really hard to know if you're just on fire, or you are actually being rational with that way of posting. They attracts too much unnecessary attention because your posts could be view as a flamebait with new members (post 2008 ones).
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2011-10-31, 23:57 | Link #120 |
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Can we please stop this pointless discussion about how to discuss the discussion of Gundam series? Please confine the discussion to Gundam Age and its story and characters and not how we should or should not discuss the series or its fans/detractors. Consider this a warning.
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