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2013-03-09, 18:41 | Link #62 |
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It doesn't make sense to search for the 3 legendary secret places to learn sage mode if it's there next to konoha. But i don't think you can learn anything from people that were easily beaten by Hidan and Kakuzu. Both Naruto and Kabuto would have beaten the shit out of those two if they used sage mode. Hashirama's powerup may be either something he learned at the 3rd legendary sage place or he naturally has such an ability. He can have this ability because of his special DNA, it's not unprecedented, take for example Juugo. He had the ability to heal and and other abilities that seem a natural power of his body. Also it would make more sense to steal his cells/DNA if his abilities were natural and not some skill (assuming Madara forced this battle to force Hashirama into activating this powerup and then steal his activated cells).
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2013-03-09, 20:58 | Link #63 | |
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I'm also fine with him just having superior natural talent as he is a direct descendant of the youngest son...
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2013-03-10, 08:56 | Link #64 |
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Nothing is known about it but considering Sarutobi went from being merely the name of the 3rd and the surname of Asuma to the name of their whole clan with at least a dozen member on screen everything is possible.
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2013-03-10, 11:32 | Link #67 |
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You're misunderstanding our mocking for something else. It's been speculated for nearly 8 years that Tobi was Obito, but many did not want to believe that Kishimoto was that obvious of an author. It seems we were wrong in the end, Kishimoto is that blatant and underwhelming.
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2013-03-10, 11:37 | Link #68 |
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With a few exceptions, I feel like in this story, a characters teacher plays a larger role in how elite they eventually become more so than what their genetic background is. Because most of the truly elite shinobi destined for greatness (particularly from the leaf) learned from Kage level shinobi at one point in time or another. And that trend seems to have continued throughout the generations.
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2013-03-10, 11:51 | Link #69 | ||
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2013-03-10, 12:46 | Link #70 | |
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So, unless your prediction as specifically that Madara was Obito's teacher (which he wasn't really), then you really haven't been saying anything that different from what many already suspected (though few liked) for years. |
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2013-03-10, 12:55 | Link #71 | |
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2013-03-10, 13:11 | Link #72 | |
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Speaking of which, I wouldn't mind Kishi showing what exactly the Fire Lord was doing while the Senju and Uchiha were killing each other. And what were the Hyuuga, Nara, Yamanaka, etc, doing? Was there any sort of control from the Fire Country or were the clans left on their own? Ironically it was their creation of Konoha that gave the daimyo any power. |
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2013-03-10, 18:28 | Link #75 | |
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But in general, we were told that teams and their respective leaders are assigned based on balance. So it wouldn't make much sense for the powers that be to intentionally assign genin with loads of potential to the top-tier jounin (and future Kage level) shinobi of their time. That means cases such as Tobirama being assigned to teach Hiruzen, Hiruzen being assigned to teach Jiraiya, Oro, and Tsunade, and Jiraiya being assigned to teach Minato were probably coincidences. Ultimately, I think a lot of it comes down to coincidence or fate--which seems to be a driving force Kishi loves to utilize. That's to say, the best were destined to help raise the future's best and so on and so fourth. |
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It's a reoccurring pattern throughout the leaf's history it seems. Fate dictates that if you're taught by someone who will become or already is Kage level, then no matter how unremarkable your background maybe or how ordinary your skills started out as (ie: Jiraiya, Sakura) you will be on the path to becoming Kage-tier yourself someday (if you live long enough) Last edited by sayde; 2013-03-10 at 23:30. |
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2013-03-10, 22:59 | Link #78 | |
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It seems to me that you see yourself as some kind of Cassandre, laughed at despite always predicting the truth, yes? The problem is that apparently your recollection of those events isn't quite what actually happened and all your examples were fairly basic assumptions widely shared within the fan-base at the time. Very nearly everybody assumed Tobi was made from Zetsu. Those who believed him to be Obito (all the numerous theories) thought it fitted nicely with his supposedly half destroyed body (and tended to ignore when his left arm was shown to be Zetsu goo as well which apparently turned up to be a mistake from the author anyway) and those who thought him to be some other dude from the past thought it was how *he* had managed to survive so long. Even if we focus solely on the Tobi/Obito issue (which as I said was truly divisive contrarily to your others examples) you weren't right about that one either because while you believed him to be part of the Tobi riddle you thought that Tobi being "just" Obito was a stupid theory. Unless I'm mistaken the one who was the closest of what turned out to be the true answer on this board was Hiking_Bear and even he thought that Madara had to have put chakra into Obito in his mother's womb because the timeline is so fucked up that what happened was chronologically impossible otherwise... But then we just learned that Hashirama spoiled Tsunade which is positively hilarious. |
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