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Demongod86 · 2007-07-20, 09:43

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

New updates from (where else?) Korea...

The Thor Terran unit has a very slow rate of fire, and move/turn slowly. However it would be devistating against buildings. It is currently the size of a building, and can only be constructed by an SCV.

And we thought tower rushes were bad in War3...so now while the terrans are sieging your base they bring along a couple of SCVs to just build THORS right in the battle?

Man...fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

dodgethis_sg · 2007-07-20, 10:54

Bricks have been shat.

[DOT].L · 2007-07-20, 11:32

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Originally Posted by dodgethis_sg

Bricks have been shat.

うぅわあ... ホンマにデカいす~

gummybear · 2007-07-20, 11:36

hmmmmm I wonder what is Zerg's "ultumite" weapon looks like... I hope it's a giant lurker like unit that can attack both land and air underground (^w^)

Demongod86 · 2007-07-20, 18:01

No SCV upgrades. HELL no. Starcraft is all ABOUT the resources. There are no heroes to beat down overwhelming odds, and hard counters are abundant. No upgrading resource mining EVER.

Justice Knight · 2007-07-20, 22:05

^ we still cant build heros......lol

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2007-07-20, 22:52

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Originally Posted by Justice Knight

^ we still cant build heros......lol

That is a no, confirmed by ALL Blizzard sources. Just give up and wait for WarCraft VI.

gummybear · 2007-07-20, 22:54

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Originally Posted by Demongod86

No SCV upgrades. HELL no. Starcraft is all ABOUT the resources. There are no heroes to beat down overwhelming odds, and hard counters are abundant. No upgrading resource mining EVER.

agreed. In SC1, terran SCV do already carry 2 more while mining as advantage.

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we still cant build heros......lol

please go play WC3 instead.

WhiteWings · 2007-07-21, 00:29

Heroes would be too distracting anyway although playing around them was really fun in WCIII.

Terrans should be the race that is the best in improvising. If the Supply Depot really can go underground than that's a good thing.

Thor. I can see it now. Swarms of cheap zerglings taking out a expensive Terran Thor unit.... Kinda reminds of me of how Zerg players can take out a slow and expensive Battlecruiser but with a better tradeoff in terms of resource expenses.

gummybear · 2007-07-21, 01:48

there is no 1 unit wonder in SC, that is all I am going to respond to that. just as mass hydras will need OL to suport drops and mass tanks need marines. I won't think of thor as more of a support that can be do with or without.

Demongod86 · 2007-07-21, 09:42

No 1 unit wonder? Mass BCs, mass carriers.

Gummybear, SCVs never carried 2 more minerals. Every worker carried 8.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2007-07-21, 09:52

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Originally Posted by gummybear

there is no 1 unit wonder in SC, that is all I am going to respond to that. just as mass hydras will need OL to suport drops and mass tanks need marines. I won't think of thor as more of a support that can be do with or without.

A source from Germany confirmed that Thor will have NO anti-air. So there's one more reason to not send it by itself.

The translation from the German magazine is still being organised and checked, so I will wait a bit before posting the rest. One thing though; there is still no certainty that Medics will return for SCII. They are testing for gameplay balance right now, and if things go horribly wrong Medic could still get axed.

Oh, and the reason why we haven't seen much Zerg? They haven't even started making the units properly yet...

gummybear · 2007-07-21, 11:26

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Originally Posted by Demongod86

No 1 unit wonder? Mass BCs, mass carriers.

Gummybear, SCVs never carried 2 more minerals. Every worker carried 8.

as long as they can't do everything by themselves, such as mobility/attack/defence/heal/detect all by itself, I hardly consider it's a 1-unit-wonder. let's say you mass BC like so many pvp noobs that forgot to build satcom or sience vess, what good are they to an army of cloak wriths? Besides, we been over this, mass bc and mass carriers aren't all that powerful, a group of well organized army can take them out easily. mass carriers is not the way to vistory, neither is mass siege tanks or goons. So will be mass thor if they even let you build more than 1.

as for the materials, I remember long ago I read somewhere that they carry a bit more. I didn't really test them out cause I rush to get my def/first strike team up rather then marvel at the workers.

wsheit · 2007-07-21, 11:48

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Oh, and the reason why we haven't seen much Zerg? They haven't even started making the units properly yet...

Really? I remember hearing that the game was pretty much playable in skirmish mode. Guess I heard wrong.

Tokkan · 2007-07-21, 12:32

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Really? I remember hearing that the game was pretty much playable in skirmish mode. Guess I heard wrong.

It is pretty much playable... with Protoss and Terran. Zerg's a bit hard to work on.

gummybear · 2007-07-21, 13:32

I think they are just getting the design done that's all. They must of have the zerg basics done, execpt they are using a color cube on the screen to represent the unit while they are in the alpha

Child_of_Sierra · 2007-07-22, 09:38

Mission maps and storyline (how new units are introduced in each mission and the player's tech tree progresses) are all probably set and won't change much regardless of any future tweaking in stats.

felix · 2007-07-22, 11:58

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Originally Posted by [DOT].L

Even worse, if the opponent is strategic about the usage of this ability, he could cloak his Ghosts, bypass your defenses, order a drop on your resource fields, and "poof," there goes your economy.

If the defense is so poor then wouldn't doing it normally be more efficient.
Either way just be smart and place some mines. Then, you would have no more (easy) drops and ghost attacks become completely useless.

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Originally Posted by dodgethis_sg

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What's this one called, Sitting Duck.
I'm somehow imaging that a terran someone can just move their base in the face of such a thing.

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I hope they also have some sort of of SCV upgrade, so it can carry the double amount of minerals per turn... after all the ressources have to come in first, before they can be spent on something.

What do you mean, there's already one in the game.
Haven't been using it until now?!

It's called: break the Space construction of vehicle button.

It costs you time, effort supply and a relative amount of mineral.

What you're asking is for a trump-card upgrade. Such things are best left to shity games/anime et cetera as they degrade the gameplay dynamics.

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Originally Posted by Demongod86

No 1 unit wonder? Mass BCs, mass carriers.

Gummybear, SCVs never carried 2 more minerals. Every worker carried 8.

Mass BC? ...2-3 Dark Archons, 1s battle my friend

Mass Carriers? ...a few corsairs/valkeries + basic air + (almost any) mage. There are so many spell combinations that you have to wonder why their even in the game. From emp, storm, <zerg-blood-thing> et cetera et cetera. It's hard to use them too. The basic strategy is hit a lil', run a lil', hit again.

Waste of time and effort.
Honestly such strategies are like the Think-U-n00b-Too button/upgrade. Get it right and you might receive the boring-victory screen. Get it wrong and you receive a healthy dose of electroshock therapy.

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Originally Posted by gummybear

I think they are just getting the design done that's all. They must of have the zerg basics done, execpt they are using a color cube on the screen to represent the unit while they are in the alpha

See the WInvitational videos for some multi-cornered multi coloured unit/building zerg boxes

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From a screen posted earlier of that Thor unit in action it would appear the camera angle is still major w3 bull. Dammit there better at least be some more level of control at least, who gives a damn about pretty textures if you can only see the unit's ugly side.

gummybear · 2007-07-22, 12:19

Cats, you lost me after the first 2 lines. That is all I will say in order to not start a flame war.

Demongod86 · 2007-07-22, 22:10

Cats, I think someone mentioned that huge thing will be buildable by an SCV. And we thought human tower rushes in war3 were bad...now in the middle of getting besieged by those wtfimba siege tanks, now terrans are building THORS right in the middle of battle.

Though I assume they'll be dishing out large amounts of one-shot damage, meaning immortals >> anything terran that isn't infantry ^_^.

I'm gonna be a happy protoss player indeed. The only thing that would make me happier now is a demon hunter.

2007-07-20, 11:36	Link #484
gummybear MUDKIP MUD! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Beside a road, next to a tree	hmmmmm I wonder what is Zerg's "ultumite" weapon looks like... I hope it's a giant lurker like unit that can attack both land and air underground (^w^) __________________ Hahahaha, nothing beats the classics Last edited by gummybear; 2007-07-20 at 12:02.

2007-07-20, 18:01	Link #485
Demongod86 Gundam Boobs and Boom FTW Join Date: Dec 2005	No SCV upgrades. HELL no. Starcraft is all ABOUT the resources. There are no heroes to beat down overwhelming odds, and hard counters are abundant. No upgrading resource mining EVER. __________________ Signature stolen by a horde of carnivorous bunnies. It is an unscientifically proven fact that they are attracted to signatures which break the signature rules.

2007-07-21, 00:29	Link #489
WhiteWings Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Santa Clara, California	Heroes would be too distracting anyway although playing around them was really fun in WCIII. Terrans should be the race that is the best in improvising. If the Supply Depot really can go underground than that's a good thing. Thor. I can see it now. Swarms of cheap zerglings taking out a expensive Terran Thor unit.... Kinda reminds of me of how Zerg players can take out a slow and expensive Battlecruiser but with a better tradeoff in terms of resource expenses. __________________ "Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anybody driving faster is a maniac?" – *George Carlin* Last edited by WhiteWings; 2007-07-21 at 01:51.

2007-07-21, 01:48	Link #490
gummybear MUDKIP MUD! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Beside a road, next to a tree	there is no 1 unit wonder in SC, that is all I am going to respond to that. just as mass hydras will need OL to suport drops and mass tanks need marines. I won't think of thor as more of a support that can be do with or without. __________________ Hahahaha, nothing beats the classics Last edited by gummybear; 2007-07-21 at 09:30.

2007-07-21, 09:42	Link #491
Demongod86 Gundam Boobs and Boom FTW Join Date: Dec 2005	No 1 unit wonder? Mass BCs, mass carriers. Gummybear, SCVs never carried 2 more minerals. Every worker carried 8. __________________ Signature stolen by a horde of carnivorous bunnies. It is an unscientifically proven fact that they are attracted to signatures which break the signature rules.

2007-07-20, 10:54	Link #482
dodgethis_sg Storm of Her Wrath Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 40	Bricks have been shat.

2007-07-20, 22:05	Link #486
Justice Knight Haro Pwned U!!!! Join Date: Dec 2005	^ we still cant build heros......lol

2007-07-21, 13:32	Link #496
gummybear MUDKIP MUD! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Beside a road, next to a tree	I think they are just getting the design done that's all. They must of have the zerg basics done, execpt they are using a color cube on the screen to represent the unit while they are in the alpha __________________ Hahahaha, nothing beats the classics

2007-07-22, 09:38	Link #497
Child_of_Sierra Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philippines	Mission maps and storyline (how new units are introduced in each mission and the player's tech tree progresses) are all probably set and won't change much regardless of any future tweaking in stats. __________________

2007-07-22, 12:19	Link #499
gummybear MUDKIP MUD! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Beside a road, next to a tree	Cats, you lost me after the first 2 lines. That is all I will say in order to not start a flame war. __________________ Hahahaha, nothing beats the classics

2007-07-22, 22:10	Link #500
Demongod86 Gundam Boobs and Boom FTW Join Date: Dec 2005	Cats, I think someone mentioned that huge thing will be buildable by an SCV. And we thought human tower rushes in war3 were bad...now in the middle of getting besieged by those wtfimba siege tanks, now terrans are building THORS right in the middle of battle. Though I assume they'll be dishing out large amounts of one-shot damage, meaning immortals >> anything terran that isn't infantry ^_^. I'm gonna be a happy protoss player indeed. The only thing that would make me happier now is a demon hunter. __________________ Signature stolen by a horde of carnivorous bunnies. It is an unscientifically proven fact that they are attracted to signatures which break the signature rules.