Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Pt. 2 Rebirth

[JagdPanther]

Originally Posted by Kanon

They messed up the upscaling in performance mode so everything looks blurry. It does run at 60fps most of the time, but it looks really bad.

Not sure what the resolution of the graphics mode is but it's pretty crisp and runs at a steady 30fps. I got used to the 30fps after a few hours. Makes me wish I hadn't been stubborn and done the same with FFXVI.

Interesting.

I'd like to think I won't mind the lower fps when I eventually get this... probably like a full year at least from now. lol

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Mad Pierrot

The ending touches

Spoiler for what the:

one of the OG's most emotional scenes complete with Cloud crying, Sephiroth's sword actually being covered in blood and then... what the heck is going on? It's like the ending has a paranormal ending from Tifa's point of view as she is scared while Cloud is suprisingly better despite not being aware that he is still Sephiroth's puppet due to wielding the Black Materia on the Buster Sword. I'm not sure how this whole timeline works but Zack appears to die again.

Spoiler for endings:

Sephiroth tells Cloud as he's falling through the white void that there are multiple timelines created whenever there are multiple choices.

We can see this with Zack when he has to make a choice between going to save Clloud and going to stop Biggs. The biggest hint is that Shinra's dog mascot, Stamp, is a different breed between timelines.
The original Stamp we first see in Remake has droopy ears and is wearing a military hardhat/helmet.
In the first timeline where Zack survives, Stamp now has shaggy hair and is wearing a cap.
Then in the timeline where Zack goes to meet Biggs at the reactor, Biggs is eating a bag of chips with Stamp on it, except it's now a pug.

From this we can guess that there is a timeline where Cloud does save Aerith, but the one we end up with is still the one where Aerith dies.

[Mad Pierrot]

I see. This scene was quite important for the original game

Spoiler for ending:

Had Cloud save Aerith, it might have ruined the impact the OG Final Fantasy VII not only as a game but also in the movie sequel where Cloud seeks redemption for his failure to save Aerith.

[Twi]

Originally Posted by Mad Pierrot

I see. This scene was quite important for the original game

Spoiler for ending:

Had Cloud save Aerith, it might have ruined the impact the OG Final Fantasy VII not only as a game but also in the movie sequel where Cloud seeks redemption for his failure to save Aerith.

But

Spoiler:

If the future couldn't be changed then what was the point in making the efforts to break fate and go against the Whispers in the first game? Why not make it a pure remaster?

[Mad Pierrot]

Originally Posted by Twi

But

Spoiler:

If the future couldn't be changed then what was the point in making the efforts to break fate and go against the Whispers in the first game? Why not make it a pure remaster?

The fastest answer I can come up is.

Spoiler for what if?:

things could go worse. Aerith seems aware when she gives Cloud the white materia and throws him from the church like a goodbye.

Kinda like Steins Gate. It looks to me the staff is well aware how important is an event when they made reescreenings of Advent Children Complete around the same date Rebirth comes out. Regarding the final game, Square already confirmed it's mostly made because it is benefitted from Rebirth's open world. Wonder if they the final game will keep expanding the Compilation timeline like finally giving us Fusion Swords

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by Twi

But

Spoiler:

If the future couldn't be changed then what was the point in making the efforts to break fate and go against the Whispers in the first game? Why not make it a pure remaster?

Reminder that the one violating rules here is Sephiroth, not Cloud.
Cloud and his party are still moving in same direction as OG but with various deviation due to Sephiroth direct interference, instead of sit, waiting on Northern Cavern.
The way Sephiroth presented himself in Rebirth is like saying to Cloud,

Spoiler for :

Do you want to live in world that still the same or live in world where every bad things never happens at all.

I kind of already get the gist of it after Sephiroth explanation.
Cloud attitude in Rebirth will explain his mental state in Advent Children, so do with Yuffie, Vincent and Cait Sith that will explain their dynamics in Dirge.
Its not pure remaster because Kitase, Nomura and Nojima agreed that this FF VII should be FF VII that "conclude" FF VII, by means of including all appends such as Crisis Core, Dirge, Ever Crisis, Way to Smile, etc.

Love how some people jokingly said Sephiroth learned a lot from Dissidia and Kingdom Hearts, which somehow fitting given he's one of several FF characters that able to guard his memories from manipulation and erasure.

[Kanon]

Use spoiler tags, geez. This is a 100 hours game that's only been been out a week.

[Tactics]

Its what happened when you overwhelmed by mini-games tutorial, happy to found cameo in progress and wanted to understand where's the game going

Once I got explanation I wanted, I took rest and look back.

[Kanon]

After 40+ hours, I have to say the game has completely exceeded my absurdly high expectations. I still don't like the fact World Intels are the same in every Region (only protorelic mini-games change), variety would have been nice. That said, this is offset by the sheer scale of the game, the art direction, and the level design. Each region feels good to explore and has its own gimmicks. And there is a real sense of wonder seeing all those legendary areas from the original remade with modern graphics. No other remake has made me feel as strongly about that, and I'm not even an old FFVII fan (I first played it after Advent Children was released, had only played VIII onward until then). There is just such a massive gap. This is the first time a Final Fantasy title has managed to successfully create an open world since the PSX era. XII got close but still didn't have stuff like vehicles.

The gap doesn't only apply to graphics either. The narrative has also been improved a lot. Characters like Tifa are also fleshed out a lot more. I'm also liking the deviations from the original timeline

Spoiler for chapter 9:

Sephiroth trying to get Cloud to kill Tifa instead of Aerith is really interesting. His hold over Cloud seems stronger here, Cloud would have actually cut her in half if she hadn't jumped into the mako pool. He was completely under Sephiroth's spell, nothing Tifa said got through.

Made me even more curious to see how the rest of the game will play out. But I'm still taking my time.

I'm impressed they managed to complete this game in only 4 years. I know they had assets from Remake, but they only account for a relatively small percentage of Rebirth. Makes me pretty hopeful we won't have to wait too long for the final game, since there's a ton of assets there'll be able to re-use. I doubt they're going to do something risky like changing engines.

[Mad Pierrot]

Originally Posted by Kanon

After 40+ hours, I have to say the game has completely exceeded my absurdly high expectations. I still don't like the fact World Intels are the same in every Region (only protorelic mini-games change), variety would have been nice. That said, this is offset by the sheer scale of the game, the art direction, and the level design. Each region feels good to explore and has its own gimmicks. And there is a real sense of wonder seeing all those legendary areas from the original remade with modern graphics. No other remake has made me feel as strongly about that, and I'm not even an old FFVII fan (I first played it after Advent Children was released, had only played VIII onward until then). There is just such a massive gap. This is the first time a Final Fantasy title has managed to successfully create an open world since the PSX era. XII got close but still didn't have stuff like vehicles.

The gap doesn't only apply to graphics either. The narrative has also been improved a lot. Characters like Tifa are also fleshed out a lot more. I'm also liking the deviations from the original timeline

Spoiler for chapter 9:

Sephiroth trying to get Cloud to kill Tifa instead of Aerith is really interesting. His hold over Cloud seems stronger here, Cloud would have actually cut her in half if she hadn't jumped into the mako pool. He was completely under Sephiroth's spell, nothing Tifa said got through.

Made me even more curious to see how the rest of the game will play out. But I'm still taking my time.

I'm impressed they managed to complete this game in only 4 years. I know they had assets from Remake, but they only account for a relatively small percentage of Rebirth. Makes me pretty hopeful we won't have to wait too long for the final game, since there's a ton of assets there'll be able to re-use. I doubt they're going to do something risky like changing engines.

I heard this is why they made it PS5 exclusive. Guess the hardware is pretty good or something. Then again, I can see steam port coming. Still, yeah it's surprising how they developed the world. Like a Dragon tends to recycle stuff from previous games like Kamurocho or nearby areas.

[MeoTwister5]

Well the game's sense of scale is pretty ridiculous, and you really see that for the first time when you gaze on the enormity of Junon with the realization that it's all more or less continuous in real time.

Because of that the game can chug at many points in the game even on 30fps fidelity, but understandable. No way in hell will a PS4 handle this unless you want another CP2077 on previous gen travesty.

I imagine the PC version will likely require an SSD to run as well.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Kanon

I'm impressed they managed to complete this game in only 4 years. I know they had assets from Remake, but they only account for a relatively small percentage of Rebirth. Makes me pretty hopeful we won't have to wait too long for the final game, since there's a ton of assets there'll be able to re-use. I doubt they're going to do something risky like changing engines.

Before they develop assets, they have to figure out a framework and workflow, which is what they figured out during Remake. Even if the majority of the characters and environments are new, they still get to reuse the engine, and systems like the UI, physics, combat, and rendering can be tweaked from Remake instead of needing to be made from scratch.

Often times the most time consuming part is the team figuring out how they're going to do it. Remember how much time was wasted on Versus 13?

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Before they develop assets, they have to figure out a framework and workflow, which is what they figured out during Remake.

Often times the most time consuming part is the team figuring out how they're going to do it. Remember how much time was wasted on Versus 13?

They stated the third game's development is at the same point Rebirth was when Remake came out. So they're on track.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Kanon

They stated the third game's development is at the same point Rebirth was when Remake came out. So they're on track.

I know, that's my point. Even if the assets are new, their workflow and systems are not.

[Tactics]

The problem with Versus XIII was that they're too ambitious believing the game can be done when Luminous Engine and Crystal Tools were half-baked.
Motomu Toriyama mentioned in XIII Ultimania that during PS3 era they're dealing with engine limitations and acceptable game file size, so XIII series was not main story and sequels but one story forcefully split into three due to said limitation; SE is not into waiting thus they also big supporter of PS4 and PS5 release.

Unfortunately problem continues to XV, costs and time from both using and developing their own engines still big they effectively canceled Lunafreya and Aranea DLC.
VII-R are using Unreal Engine 4 and have dedicated team; XVI was developed by XIV Team A, both unlike XV that shared teams with KH to ensure they can release KH III on time.

On the other hand ...

Spoiler for Finally reach the ending:

> Able to play as Zack is dope, nice to know his new VA now used to him.
> So I guess Zack now is some kind of singularity due to his connection to Cloud and Aerith, both driving force of the game.
> My favorite is the end pretty much confirms that they're using multiverses to play around with "Aerith lives" and "Cid's true fate", both popular fan theory of PS1 era, so its true they're inviting VII hardcore fans from around the world for feedback. Now I'm curious if they will make fan theory of KOTR being long lost Cetra warriors true.

> People said SE is bad because they're playing around with Aerith death but man, did they actually notice:
Cloud now is a man with schizophrenia; Sephiroth cruelty amplified he's playing the long game, mindbreaking Cloud instead of making Cloud an obedient errand boy like OG; Aerith is now hostage of Sephiroth merger plan that the only way to release her is by Cloud accepting his failure, painful OG world and move on. Zack is the wild card in midst of this.

> No LB IV for Aerith (you can unlock Great Gospel before she died in OG); so I guess the final battle will be Cloud, Zack, Aerith vs. Sephiroth.
As the battle warped to space environment, I believe Supernova in HD coming soon as Dissidia and Crisis Core loosely confirmed it is Sephiroth's Limit Break. Probably with new Omnislash as well for sake of telling people Cloud last attack in AC is Omnislash.

It also made me notice that, after Remake solo value, Rebirth elevate it with how good duo attacks are (also that Cloud & Zack vs. Sephiroth). So what coming next likely push trio format with some spice coming from Vincent's transformation; I guess part of reason Cid is not involved yet despite having Sonon as sample is they're double checking Cid to prepare for future Dragoon as well.

[Mad Pierrot]

Cloud had notable mental problems in the original with flashes of light happening whenever he hears a voice. I guess in this case they made it more obvious to the point the character tells Tifa the apparent cause behind this.

Spoiler for problem:

Cloud believes this is what Mako does to SOLDIERs but the true cause it's Sephiroth in OG and Remake/Rebirth.

[Kanon]

Spoiler for chapter 10:

Nanaki's voice and attitude completely changing when you reach Cosmo Canyon was hilarious. It looks like he's going to remain like that now that he doesn't need to act like a tough guy anymore. Maybe it was like that in the OG too, but the voice acting just makes it more obvious.

They really fleshed out the Gi. Now they're aliens like Jenova and the creators of the black materia.

The Zack stuff is confusing. If not for characters who are definitely alive like Marlene being there, I would say he's actually in the lifestream. But it looks more like it's an alternate timeline and Biggs was directly transported here from Remake. A bit frustrating neither of them have realized the inconsistencies about Cloud. Curious to find out where this is going to go.

The protorelic search having a poignant story attached to it this time was a surprise. Confirmed that Wedge is 100% dead.

[Homura7]

If you kept track of the ending songs for both games you can figure yourselves out what the title for the final release will be.

Spoiler for spoiler:

REUNION

Afterall,

Spoiler for spoil:

"Reunion" is the central theme of this whole story. More specifically, Cloud and Aeris reunion in their Promised Land, symbolized by the yellow flower.

And on that note,

Spoiler for spoiler:

I can foretell Marlene will play a major role in the grand finale.

[Homura7]

Originally Posted by Mad Pierrot

I see. This scene was quite important for the original game

Spoiler for ending:

Had Cloud save Aerith, it might have ruined the impact the OG Final Fantasy VII not only as a game but also in the movie sequel where Cloud seeks redemption for his failure to save Aerith.

TL;DR…

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[Mad Pierrot]

Originally Posted by Homura7

TL;DR…

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Is it? Rebirth seems to emphasize more the theory of a multiverse rather than a sequel.