2012-08-27, 12:44 | Link #1661 | |
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I'm getting slightly ok with all the Taichi push (although it is sad the other characters are relegated), perhaps because I'm now seeing this show as having 1 protagonist, instead of 5 (or maybe I've just come to accept that). And it helps that Taichi's knight armor is getting undone, although the way Fujishima worded her words might push Taichi to become even more of a white knight. I don't really have a problem with his mentality, but moreso how the story ALLOWS him to be the white knight. And at least the writer is pointing out how the others have been 'meh', by having Taichi call Aoki useless. Also, did Aoki have a desire moment too in that verbal fight? Because, if he did, that was weak as hell. At least we see Aoki might be doing something in the preview for next week. Now for the part I disagree with, is the inclusion of more characters. Now granted, you seem to dislike the type of people we're seeing rather than objecting to having more characters, and that is true, but I'm still glad we're getting more characters. Seeing how the other 4 main casts have failed to live up to Taichi standards (with Inaba being closest), I'm happy to have more people to provide insight. Especially considering the show has been rather closed/focused on just the 5 people (I mean Iori nearly drowned yet I don't remember her mother noticing...). It's like a breath of fresh air. Plus I was kind hoping part of how they would overcome their issue would be by 'trusting' other people to have their backs, but that may just be wishful thinking. I didn't like Fujishima to begin with either, but at least she's someone else besides Taichi doing something. Plus, she has a great VA!
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2012-08-27, 13:07 | Link #1662 |
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I would agree with the notion that more characters is good in theory, dubious in practice. I like the notion that the core group is going to be exposed to more viewpoints, but I have issues with Fujishima for reasons I've already stated. As for Watase, who knows? We basically know nothing about him except he's a Fujishima fanboy.
As to Taichi, I actually don't think his role in the story has changed much, if at all. He's always been tops in terms of screen time, but very little developed outside his role in driving the plot. Are we any closer to knowing why he is the person he is? The problem is that Yui, Inaba and Nagase are pretty much an open book at this point - the series has flayed their psyche and exposed it, raw and painful, to the world. But we still don't know why Taichi has the impulses he does. Until the story decides to unravel him the way it has the girls, the series is kind of stuck in neutral. I also find it interesting that Taichi's altruism is treated almost universally as a disorder, both by characters and by viewers. The notion that all selflessness is a form of selfishness, born of as desire to meet a need in ourselves rather than truly help others, is definitely one of the big questions the show is exploring. But if the results are good, does it really matter - wouldn't the world be a better place if more people were like that rather than overtly dedicated to their self-interest? Of course in Taichi's case, the results aren't good much of the time - at least so far. Maybe the message is "Physician, heal thyself" - until Taichi selfishly worries about his own happiness a little more, he won't be any good to other people either.
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2012-08-27, 13:50 | Link #1663 |
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I didn't really like Fujishima's character in the first arc but I think she's been handled well in this second one and I enjoyed her perceptiveness and insight with her conversation with Taichi and how she tried to help Iori solve her problems with her club friends just from observing their behaviour. I just think it's good to see secondary characters be more proactive and act like characters in their own right. Though I do see how she can be perceived as the authors convenient all in one plot device.
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2012-08-27, 15:06 | Link #1664 | |
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I think by having the creator point out a character's inactivity, it appears less like he forgot them and more like he made an intentional decision that will have its consequence later on. In this case, Aoki got flak for not doing anything. I don't think it excuses his inactivity as a character, but at least it's a step in the right direction. I don't think Aoki's desires were unleashed in that fight, he'd probably apologize or say something if that were the case. I didn't say I was against having more characters, I was bothered only by the type of characters they included. The problem with Fujishima is that she just does whatever the writer wants her to do so she feels more like a plot device. Watase (can't believe I remember his name) is the typical idiot classmate/friend that hangs around the MC and whose only conversations revolve around girls or telling the MC how lucky he is for scoring. There's one like this in every harem. Now, I admit if I was writing this story, I'd focus mostly on the club members and their families, especially since this is a 1-cour show. These gimmicks ask for a degree of familiarity within the group because they ruin, strengthen and dig deeper into existing relationships. The secrecy surrounding the issue prevents outside characters from being involved beyond scratching their heads in confusion or giving vague advice. But this is only how I'd go with the premise and not criticism since I prefer more of a short story format. I'm not at all opposed to the writers' decision to add more characters if they believe it will improve the show. This episode was about Taichi+3 characters I don't care about in the slightest, but I can see how it was necessary as a sort of a vacation the club members have to take from eachother. However, the way the show is playing out, I do think it'd be wiser for them to use the screentime for characters that actually matter. Could you clarify this? Last edited by Blonto; 2012-08-27 at 15:20. |
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In that sense, basically the things both of us have mentioned before. How what Taichi has done isn't really anything special. He's just been allowed to do it. The story is making Taichi into the white knight. Inaba telling him the issues of Yui and Iori when she didn't have to or perhaps when she could've done something herself. Heartseed swapping him with Yui in arc 1 even though I'm sure Aoki had similar feelings of wanting to help Yui, but no, Heartseed chose Taichi. Yui being a black belt yet requiring ball kicks to help her overcome her problem. Then you have the fact that everyone is calling him a selfless freak, which doesn't help. It doesn't help that what he actually does doesn't seem all that brilliant either (which may be the point that Aoki made about how Taichi is just looking for quick fixes; so I'll give that some slack). Although part of that is that I also don't really 'get' Iori's and Inaba's problems. And when not a white knight, he's still the center of attention. Involved in a love triangle (God knows why Inaba and Iori like him in the first place...). The person we see the most interact with others (at the expense of the rest of the gang developing off one another). And seemingly the only one who can do anything (help everyone in arc 1, and it looks like he's gonna be the one to figure out what to do in arc 2...). As for his remark about guys protecting girls, it would give credence as to why he's only been helping the girls. He doesn't seem to give a damn about Aoki. And if his intentions aren't pure (he seems to have had the most desire outbursts)? Then...I guess...he's...the dark knight !
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2012-08-27, 20:12 | Link #1666 | |
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Aoki being Taichi's opposite? That would be interesting
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There are plenty of people that stand by and do nothing just because they don't have a reason to or looking out for themselves Then again Taichi did offer himself to die instead of Iori. The issue to me is just that he goes too far
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2012-08-27, 21:09 | Link #1667 | ||
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Aoki could have chosen to go to Yui after he was told about her trauma but he didn't. Yui needed to be shown males aren't scary. Think she was already learning karate when she was assaulted? And only barely managed to fight the guy off. Which would explain why she may have this inner doubt that being a black belt won't help her because of the inherent differences between a males strength and a females. And using a quick fix is better than doing NOTHING. Quote:
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2012-08-28, 03:41 | Link #1670 | |
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Generally speaking I agree with you about selflessness and I see it as a mixture of selfishness and truly desire of help people, where the former is completely "forgiven" for the latter. In Taichi's case the author is giving him a shadow of negativity because that what he is doing with all the characters. So, I don't really know if he is trying to fully explore selflessness per se, or he is trying to explore selfishness instead.
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2012-08-28, 05:38 | Link #1672 |
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If you are referring to my post, my comment was related to the overall view the series is trying to convey, or better, guessing at it.
Speaking instead of ep. 8 I felt that the argument was equally shared out between both of them. I mean, the way Taichi reacted, with no gimmicks in action, and the whole scene in which Iori got hit was an exemplification of what Aoki said just before apologizing. That Taichi doesn't care think, at the moment, of any side effects (he takes care of it afterward, I'd add). Iori is an example of "side effect", not that Taichi wanted to hit her nor that he would have if gimmick wasn't in action, that scene is emphasized by that, but has highlighted that it is still an issue. Inaba couuld count as another side effect. Aoki is more debatable. I wouldn't count him in.
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Judging from the preview, Aoki will probably help Yui get her act together. There's no way he won't be accompanied by Taichi though. Taichi is like a camera, he has to be there even if he doesn't do much. Quote:
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2012-08-28, 06:55 | Link #1675 | |
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Aoki does know iirc. Inaba told the two males when they were together I think
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2012-08-28, 08:07 | Link #1676 |
is this so?
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Late getting into this series.
I've only watched up to episode 3, and like how things are being done so far. Thought there would only be comedy because of the body switching theme, surprised that there's some drama as well.
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2012-08-28, 08:09 | Link #1677 | ||
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Of course, selflessness is much more ideal in sustaining the stability of a larger group while selfishness works for the sustenance of the individual. In truth, neither is more important that the other. While humans may be social creatures, they are still individual organisms that must tend to themselves. As such, I really don't see the need to put the idea of "selflessness" on a pedestal here.
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2012-08-28, 08:33 | Link #1678 | |
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If the show focused on all the characters we could see why Inaba wouldn't want to get involved, but this way it's pretty obvious it's only because the writer gave Taichi special privileges. |
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2012-08-28, 10:20 | Link #1680 | |
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And Inaba wouldn't try to fix the problem because a) she doesnt like to get close to people and when you're helping people, you have to get closer to them b)she is not a proactive person. She's a passive personality. Hence why this particular arc is wrecking havoc with her because she keeps a lot of things inside. It's not really easy to understand unless you realise Inaba basically has huge trust issues. People with huge trust issues? They're usually not the type who will go and help people directly.
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