2010-12-20, 09:07 | Link #3281 | |
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Point being that although there was no ground work there was instant chemistry hence why she plays an important part in all routes plus she is generally the one who looks out for Shirou's mental well being. |
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2010-12-20, 10:23 | Link #3282 | |
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He starts his feelings in flux, and they move between the attraction/admiration he feels for the girls to develop into something more over time. He hid his feelings for Sakura because he thought of them as not right to feel for a family member, and she is my friends sister ("There is no way I can go there" - Remember the boy is woefully conservative at the oddest times). Rin is the unapproachable school idol, and all the things that come with that, and he had his own misconceptions regarding her (which he clears up as he gets to know her) as well. Saber was a cute girl, but he also admired her strength. He IS a one woman man, but feelings are difficult to pin down, and attraction can settle in any one of them. His heart isn't fickle, feelings are just that complicated. But whoever he does settle on, he goes full tilt for. |
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2010-12-20, 12:30 | Link #3285 | |
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Anyway I never got a single hint that Shirou was troubled with his feelings. Sure he started to notice Sakura physically but so would any man and such a realization doesn't even hint at feelings notice during those times he only talks about her body. He's just not the type to ponder who he likes more generally something just happens and he unknowingly falls in love with them. Attraction and admiration wasn't the reason he fell in love with any of them hence why he's attracted/admires all of them in all routes Hence why he's a completely blank sheet up until the holy grail war his mind was preocupied with other things like. Making his ideal a reality honing his skills, helping those in need etc He just did't have any feelings for any of them if he did knowing shirou's character it'd be blatantly obvious. When he fell in love with saber any initial feelings for Rin and Sakura were proven to be non existent. He gave up his "feelings" for sakura far too easily without a second thought for them even to be considered feelings. This is freaking Shirou we're talking about there's no way in hell that he could have fallen in love three different women and still be considered in love witch. He also had a genuine crush on Rin if he was in love this would not be the case considering once he has feelings for someone he doesn't have tfor anyone else and feels guilty when attracted to someone. I'm sorry but there's no way in hell that he could have been in love. Last edited by Tenchi Hou Take; 2010-12-20 at 13:10. |
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2010-12-20, 13:23 | Link #3288 |
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Is it just me or is HF the least likely route probability wise. I mean you have to pick all sakura related choices miss one and your on ubw. Compare with the choice of letting saber strike archer or not and the chances of shirou picking all of the sakura related chances are mathematically exponentially lower
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2010-12-20, 14:43 | Link #3291 | |
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2010-12-20, 14:59 | Link #3292 | |
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Feelings are more complicated than a mere like/do not like. He was attracted to them all at different points throughout the game. As Rin said, though he may have been a broken individual, but he still had feelings, a conviction for why he sought the ideal. He wasn't completely empty. He just purely respected the man who saved him, and thought of being the same for someone else. As a UBW supporter, I can't beleive that you didn't grasp that part of the route. As for the girls, he blatantly shows interest in Sakura from a romantic standpoint in more than just HF, just like when he is talking to Sakura in HF he went on about how he admired Rin. Also, in HF, when he starts to relaize his feelings, he goes back in his memories and remembers all the time he had spent with Sakura, and said, many times, how he did not realize how attracted he was to her (more than just physically, and how grateful he was she supported him after Kiritsugu's death). How he enjoyed cooking with her, how knew his habits and just clicked with him. He just refused to admit it. Now as for Rin, she was the unapproachable school idol, someone to be admired from afar for him, like the other guys did. The Grail War was the pivotal point, because Rin herself did not seem to covet interpersonal relationships, and even kept 'close' friends at a distance. Without the Grail War, she very well would not have pursued that small flame of attraction. And if she didn't Shirou was unlikely to, as he is a rather shy fellow. Only with the Grail War did they both see the excuse to see the other's true face and come to realize their love. The feelings they had there were undeniable, but they both didn't pursue them. This was similar to Sakura's relationship with Shirou, where both parties found excuses not to pursue those feelings (Shirou's shyness, because hey, "this is the freaking idol of our school Tohsaka Rin, a person who rejects guys handily all the time!") or with Sakura ("I just can't lay hands on my friend's sister, I am a trusted senpai, so I can't take advantage of our relationship!") Saber was the "girl who plopped down from the sky" situation. Someone who struck a chord in him in his moment of flux and took up residence in his heart. Simple as that. Or not so simple, as feelings aren't very simple. This doesn't stop him from being a one woman man, nor does it mean that he is likely to cheat. Feelings are just more complicated than you care to see. And there are many levels to love. Frankly, I'm not going to have a "who was most truly loved by Shirou" argument. Love just isn't as cut and dry as you seem to think, imo. He's not right about that anyway. There are so many ways in HF to make up Sakura points it's not even funny, you can miss a couple. |
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2010-12-20, 15:01 | Link #3293 |
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Doesn't make it more challenging it makes it more convoluted. If you don't know how to get to heavens feel or even know that sakura is the heroine the your just randomly picking evey combination answer. Unless you actually want t do that it's just a convoluted grind. Otherwise you listen to what people said and just pick all sakura options. Neither of these require any conscious brain activity.
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2010-12-20, 15:10 | Link #3294 | |
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Oh, but I guess Shirou is a robot and does things based on probability and not emotion. Because he does that so often. |
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As for after that, in HF, he decides to let him stay with him because a) since Shinji is also a master, her house is no safer in that respect than his is and b) Shinji is unstable due to losing the war and he can't be sure of her safety if he lets her return there. In the other two routes, he doesn't find out that Shinji is a master until later and he doesn't know that Shinji is abusing her so severely, so he sends her home for her own safety. The fundamental difference between HF and the other two routes, ultimately, is not that Shirou cares more for Sakura and, thus, wants to protect her personally (rather than sending her home to be out of harms way), but that, as a result of interacting with her more, Zouken is able to begin his Xanatos Gambit, part of which involves Sakura living with Shirou, and so he orchastrates events such that Shirou will invite her to. |
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2010-12-20, 15:28 | Link #3297 |
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And that's why Shrio is an idiot. If you take the extra few seconds to think things through logically, he would've come to the most practical, yet worst, conclusion. That conclusion would have been to kill her. If they did that, though, there wouldn't be a story, hence Shiro remains and idiot in all 3 paths.
Had I been in his place, I would've killed her. Minimize the casualties, no matter the cost.
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2010-12-20, 15:45 | Link #3298 | |
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Yeeeaaah.... uh, yeah.... Just yeah, I'd turn Sakura into a bloody mess of guts if even a hundred people's lives were at stake. Because by quantity, those people also have loved ones and hopes too. Robbing one single person of their life to make sure they live isn't wrong. Being selfish to that degree is fucking stupid, period. There is no justifications for it. HF even trying to make it seem okay is bullshit, and which is why I can't stand the route and why I want Sakura's route re-done. |
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2010-12-20, 15:52 | Link #3299 | |
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It's typical pairing bullshit that can only be proven by the author which you uneededly got agressive over. Either way it's a stretch to call those feelings deep as it's mostly just a few sparse occations of shirou looking up to Rin or being thankful to sakura while still being completely unwaveringly in love with the route heroine. |
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2010-12-20, 16:09 | Link #3300 | |
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I mean, by the HF normal end, he ends up being able to save Sakura at the cost of his own life and casualties which pretty much deserve to be killed off anyway. Giving up and letting an innocent person die without full knowledge of the situation is completely retarded and I commend HF Shirou for not taking the easy way out. All of you are listening to what the villains say will happen, but look, it never happened, because Shirou didn't allow it. The moral of HF is not sacrificing thousands for one, because that never happens. Not even close. At the end of the day Shirou still pursued his ideal of making everyone around him happy to the best of his abilities. Christ, it's hard to imagine you all actually read HF. It seems like you all just read Shirou's monologues about him forgetting about everyone else and saving Sakura, but completely ignoring the scenes and what actually happens. |
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