The Novel and Manga of Haruhi Suzumiya

[ac195]

Finally got my hands on my hardcover edition of Sigh... and I gotta say... I'm not that impressed.

Comparing the translations available online versus the "official" translation is like comparing a painting of a park to a map of the very same park...

Sure, the map is informative but it just isn't the same... When reading a book like this... I really want the Kyon experience and the pictures he paints with his wordy (sometimes too wordy) descriptions...

[Ithekro]

It is considered rather interesting that KyoAni seemed to have improved on this novel when they adapted it...probably for the same reason...visuals of the wordy descriptions

(A nebula....really Haruhi?)

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by ac195

Finally got my hands on my hardcover edition of Sigh... and I gotta say... I'm not that impressed.

Comparing the translations available online versus the "official" translation is like comparing a painting of a park to a map of the very same park...

Sure, the map is informative but it just isn't the same... When reading a book like this... I really want the Kyon experience and the pictures he paints with his wordy (sometimes too wordy) descriptions...

Assuming you refer to the B-T translation (as most do), this has got to be the first time I've ever seen B-T come out on the less...dry side of any comparison. With the edit-by-wiki process, it is a "correct" translation, but in some places it does seem to read like a text book, and not just the Yuki monologues...

I quite liked the official Sigh translation, myself, but I admit it could be better. Particularly I always got a more British feel from the B-T translations (due to the heavy Commonwealth presence among the admins and editors, no doubt), as Kyon's diatribes especially evoked a Douglas Adams-as-otaku feel at times. And I do miss that in the more white-bread official version. And then you factor in the official version's primary demographic, which only the official translator (and not B-T) is writing for.

[CrowKenobi]

I got an email from rightstuf that my copy of manga volume 4 has shipped! I'll probably get it Monday or Tuesday.

[Solachinx]

Got my hardcover for Sigh today, but I haven't gotten to it yet because of other menial tasks.

[quigonkenny]

Referencing this from the Character: Haruhi thread, since it belongs more correctly here, and I imagine the previous bits of the discussion will soon follow.

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

In addition, Koizumi has only referred to him as "Kyon" once... he did it to mock him, as I recall.

Originally Posted by worldruined

Thank you!

I thought the "Kyon" was weird -- not only because Koizumi never refers to him directly like that, but it didn't make sense in a scene in which they were the only people involved. No need to address the person you're already speaking to by name.

I did a search for "Kyon-kun" on all nine translated novels and didn't find any instance of Koizumi saying it; it's pretty much always Asahina-san (big and small), Tsuruya-san, or Kyon's sister. I even checked the Haruhi Theater shorts and came up with zilch. If nothing else, I might go back and slowly work my way through the books searching for just "Kyon", but that's obviously going to take a while longer. XD

And we are so totally off-topic... Better have these posts moved to the Novel discussion thread, maybe, since it's dealing more with translations than characterization?

Pretty sure that Itsuki doesn't ever call Kyon "Kyon", unless it's Kaisos' aforementioned dig at him. I believe it was suggested either here or over in the B-T forums that Itsuki is actually calling Kyon by his actual name, but Kyon's unreliable narratorness edits that out, similarly (one assumes) to the way he does for all the one name only/nickname only characters (Tsuruya, CCP, etc.). I believe it was suggested because while Yuki never directly speaks to anyone using their name, much less Kyon (she always either answers questions or starts talking without preamble), Itsuki does speak to others using their names (Haruhi, Mikuru, etc...) but noticeably not to Kyon. In short, the "Hey, Kyon"s you would expect to hear from Itsuki but don't are really there, just edited out so that we don't discover Kyon's real name.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

...while Yuki never directly speaks to anyone using their name...

Nagato hardly ever speaks to anyone period, with the obvious exception of Kyon.

[Tabasco]

In fairness, she does talk to

Spoiler for Book 9:

the computer club. She writes an entire OS during her visits for heaven's sake.

There had to be some communication involved in that.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Alternately...

Spoiler for Vol9:

she did everything herself, while the computer club just stared. Given her typing speed, it's not too hard to believe they'd be left speechless. Besides, they have enough of a reason to do that anyway, given the fact that we're dealing with five computer-obsessed boys who had probably never met a girl as interested in computers as Nagato is.

[worldruined]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Pretty sure that Itsuki doesn't ever call Kyon "Kyon", unless it's Kaisos' aforementioned dig at him. I believe it was suggested either here or over in the B-T forums that Itsuki is actually calling Kyon by his actual name, but Kyon's unreliable narratorness edits that out, similarly (one assumes) to the way he does for all the one name only/nickname only characters (Tsuruya, CCP, etc.). I believe it was suggested because while Yuki never directly speaks to anyone using their name, much less Kyon (she always either answers questions or starts talking without preamble), Itsuki does speak to others using their names (Haruhi, Mikuru, etc...) but noticeably not to Kyon. In short, the "Hey, Kyon"s you would expect to hear from Itsuki but don't are really there, just edited out so that we don't discover Kyon's real name.

That theory has crossed my mind before, too, and I can totally buy it as a possibility.

Still waiting for confirmation of the instance Kaisos mentioned, though. I haven't had any luck finding it so far.

[ultimatemegax]

Originally Posted by Orophin

There's actually a five months gap between the release of the first two books. We might have Boredom in March.

Sorry to quote a post from a while ago, but I just found that Amazon, and ONLY amazon.com has listed the english edition of Boredom as coming out on August 5, 2010. They have the following ISBN numbers, which don't show up in a google search anywhere.

Hard cover:
ISBN-10: 0316038865
ISBN-13: 978-0316038867

Paperback:
ISBN-10: 0316038873
ISBN-13: 978-0316038874

It's listed as having 272 pages as well. Since the ISBN numbers aren't found anywhere else that I've found so far, take this information with a grain of salt until we find out more.

[Heatth]

I found all numbers at http://isbndb.com, and also in most sites listed there.

Including one that has the english paperback cover.

Nevermind, it is the manga. Sorry.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by ultimatemegax

It's listed as having 272 pages as well. Since the ISBN numbers aren't found anywhere else that I've found so far, take this information with a grain of salt until we find out more.

Forget the grain of salt, take the whole salt lick. Boredom is almost exactly as long as Melancholy, and Melancholy was only 202. I personally expect Boredom around April or May of next year. No reason not to try to keep to a six-month schedule as long as they can...

[Tabasco]

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

Alternately...

Spoiler for Vol9:

she did everything herself, while the computer club just stared. Given her typing speed, it's not too hard to believe they'd be left speechless. Besides, they have enough of a reason to do that anyway, given the fact that we're dealing with five computer-obsessed boys who had probably never met a girl as interested in computers as Nagato is.

True to the second, but possibly to the first.

Spoiler for Vol 9:

IIRC, didn't the president say that it was some sort of super-program that none of them could make heads or tails of? To me that implies that at the very least one of them tried, and got a Nagato Special for an explanation. I'd rate it equally likely that over time, as she spent more time hanging around working on her project, they were able to get some detail. Whether that made any more sense is of course up for debat too.

[TakariCritic]

Originally Posted by Tabasco

Spoiler for Vol 9:

IIRC, didn't the president say that it was some sort of super-program that none of them could make heads or tails of? To me that implies that at the very least one of them tried, and got a Nagato Special for an explanation. I'd rate it equally likely that over time, as she spent more time hanging around working on her project, they were able to get some detail. Whether that made any more sense is of course up for debat too.

Spoiler for Volume 9:

Yes, The Computer Club president explains that thye have a computer the is specifically for Yuki, as she wrote its unique OS that only she can use.

[AmyElizzabeth]

I hope in the 10th novel we get summa 'dis

Spoiler for Summa 'dis :D:

[Solachinx]

Explanation for the ignorants? Who, what when where why how?

[bhl88]

She'll probably scream:

(derived from Metal Gear)
Kyon, get up! Kyon? KYYYYYYOOOONNNNNN!!
or
John... wake up! Please? John? JOOOOOHHHHHHHNNNNN!!

[AmyElizzabeth]

I was thinking more of a "Who's it gonna be? Me or Sasaki!?" kind of thing

[Sho-tan]

Originally Posted by AmyElizzabeth

I hope in the 10th novel we get summa 'dis

Spoiler for Summa 'dis :D:

Like Solachinx said, where is this from?