2008-09-22, 02:49 | Link #841 | |
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What we saw in episode 1 is most likely non-canon. It could have been an artistic license on the part of the director or some weird animation error. IIRC, in SDFM there was even an animation error were a VF-1 carried missiles on its vertical fins.
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2008-09-22, 03:58 | Link #842 | ||
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Then its likely to be an animation error. Like the one that created the abomination that is the VF-1R (robotech). |
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2008-09-23, 08:29 | Link #843 | |
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Battle Frontier, VF-171EX variants, VF-171, VF-25
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Translation of about the VF-25, VF-27 and VF-117EX Quote:
YF-19/VF-19 ---->YF-24 (Evolution) YF-24----------->VF-25 and VF-27 YF-21----------->VF-22---->VF-27 The VF-117EX is just a pimped up VF-117 with EX-Gear, some new hardware and anti-Vajra weaponry. |
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2008-09-25, 01:59 | Link #844 |
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Actually, beside from cool factor, I can't see why humanity need a transforming capital warship to be honest.
Traditional design has more volume, can fit in more weapons etc more efficiently than humanoid shape....plus humanoid can't that useful in combat in space. VF transforming have some logic since they need able to battle giant race in conception but transforming capital ship just did not make sense. Humanoid shape also have less armour to protect many weak part like joints, traditional hull design did not have. Ah well, just some thoughts.
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2008-09-25, 03:02 | Link #845 |
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Tradition probably. There first ship has a humaniod mode, but it was designed for much larger beings (and was basically a heavily armed defensive vessel or some such thing...a monitor type some called it). That mode might have been more for intimidation originally (I would think), and thus its purpose is not being served anymore. Thus tradition seems to be the main thing left.
Quarter, however, seems to be rather manuverable compared to other warships in Earth's fleets while in humanoid mode. The larger Battle Macross' have yet to show this kind of movement pattern. Anyone else have a reason for a transforming warship of this type?
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2008-09-25, 03:14 | Link #846 |
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More like for greater coverage area arc of the SD cannon. These gunships suck at manueverabilty except the Quarter which is much smaller.
Size and length comparison done by Mr. March of Macross Mecha Manual. Spoiler for Macross comparison in Attacker mode.:
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2008-09-25, 03:20 | Link #847 |
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Mobility of the main cannon. This goes for the latest Battle designs. Turning a hand with a gun is easier and faster then turning the whole ship.
More weapon stations. The transformed mode has much more surface to cover with turrets and kinds of bays. Same goes for Monster stations. On the other hand this makes it more vulnerable to attacks. Smaller and compact target is harder to hit but when we consider the actual size it doesn't make much difference. Most of the time the enemy force is able to move closer and attack so the size does not matter actually. Besides, Fighters give the cover and defense in such situations. I would also say that it's large size is beneficial. The humanoid form is easier to hit but at the same time can prove to be an advantage. When a part is hit or destroyed it's easier to cut it off or seal then in a compact ship. If a submarine is hit in most cases it's fatal. If a ship with irregular size is hit I guess it would be possible to seal that part away and lessen the stress on other sections.
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2008-09-25, 23:27 | Link #848 |
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We had this discussion a while back. Basically it boiled down to any advantage having an arm to maneuver the cannon was offset by saying why not just build the cannon with mobility in mind, ie like a tank turret.
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2008-09-26, 04:06 | Link #849 | |
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Oh yeah, when the Quarter slammed it's arm into Galaxy's cannon/rifle, there doesn't seem to be any PPB present anywhere on the arm. Excalibur Punch reference from Macross Plus?
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2008-09-26, 04:46 | Link #850 | |
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BTW...What happened to the Quarter's Gunpod?
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2008-09-26, 12:34 | Link #853 | |
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Mecha Porn. Spoiler for Battle Galaxy:
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Spoiler for Macross 11, Home of Kaifun and Fire Bomber American:
Oh by the way it wasn't a Daedalus Attack that finished Battle Galaxy Spoiler for BATTLE FRONTIER MACHIDA PUNCH!:
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2008-09-28, 13:05 | Link #856 | ||
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And the summary of all of the above. It can have any possible shape. Be it a dog, an alien, a bird or even a flying snow flake. It's more a tradition to have it human shaped then anything else. I'm sure you would rather fly a human transforming ship then a squirrel.
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2008-09-28, 21:04 | Link #859 | |
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City 11 Ohh~ So prickly~ The island ships doesn't seem to be connected to City 11. It has 2 Einsteins and one Three Star. And where the heck is its escort fleet? I only see one Uruga. Don't tell me Lynn Kaifun is now President of 11. |
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2008-09-28, 21:28 | Link #860 |
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LOL, that doesn't sound so unlikely. He was always a political activist blowhard and had a knack for getting people to buy into his demogoguery. Also the humantradi sure love their ex-celebrity politicians. If so, being the NUNS liason there under him must be living hell.
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