2010-08-23, 05:31 | Link #16621 |
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As we are back to the question why he have a suit Beato and a dress Beato on the board an how this butterflies factor in here is a theory about this.
I guess I get a "Slowpoke!" for this but did anyone ever mention on these forums how the pattern on Beatrice dress vague resemble a symbol of flames surrounding a round object like a bomb? So that my guess for the distinction for those pieces. Suit Beato is either the human culprit or the human messing with people by disguising as Beatrice. On the other side dress Beatrice is the reference to the explosion. Consider when she changed from suit to dress in the different games. It was just at the very end of EP2 & EP4. And she did very little afterwards. One thing was talking / discussion stuff with Battler but that fantasy / meta story (so disregarded as noise), the other stuff was burning Kinzo to death and somehow killing Battler in EP4 and she was also killing Battler and Kinzo in EP2 with the goatmen. And the goats were discussed many times as a metaphor for fire or whatever effect the "incident" had on the people. Kinzo being burned/eaten may not even be a fantasy scene as this may just refer to his corpse getting burned because nobody did it in the story via boiler incident. Makes you wonder what was the big different of EP2/4 to EP1/3 so that the stuff about Kinzo played out so differently. About the butterflies: UsagiTenpura already pointed out that they only appear at the very end of the story except for stuff like Kanons death (in the boiler room where someone got burned before! hint hint ^^) and Shannons butterfly delusions when checking the mansion at night. So I guess they also represent fire / aftermath of the explosion the same way the goats do (they even were hunting Rosa/Maria together in EP2). Using this interpretation the last scene in EP1 makes a lot of scene: The kids see butterflies spreading in the hall and Maria calls Battler foolish for fighting Beatrice with a gun as he cannot not hurt her in any way. Even how the anime added this scene with the butterflies dividing after he shots seem to fit perfectly. Only strange part is this deflecting the bullets part but it guess that just refering to Natsuhi failed duel. I really like the idea how this dress was rubbing the answer right in your face from the start but most people never noticing where to look. |
2010-08-23, 07:45 | Link #16622 |
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I think Suit-Beatrice is first seen when Kyrie spots her in the hall. She's also present in the letter giving of ep2, I think.
In other words, she's suit-Beatrice when someone actually sees her. Could be because someone's actually dressed up as Beatrice, and is wearing that outfit? |
2010-08-23, 08:10 | Link #16623 | |
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The pattern appears three times on her dress so maybe there are three bombs. As for the goats, I imagined at the end of EP2 that they represented the explosion, and Rosa and Maria were engulfed in it. But during the underground scene in EP4 one of the goats seems to represent Gohda(the one that Krauss kills). I don't think the butterflies/goats themselves are that significant, but merely serve as a means to cover an event up. |
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2010-08-23, 08:21 | Link #16624 |
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The dress may not actually exist anywhere but the portrait. In that case, the suit-Beato outfit being the disguise seems probable. It's a far easier outfit to assemble and operate in than a giant flowing dress, regardless.
Of course if we buy that the dress does exist and is stored where ep7 says, she could appear when someone goes down there and sets the trigger.
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2010-08-23, 11:55 | Link #16630 |
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Well, if the anime is correct, Kinzo lives in a magical home whose dimensions shift and change randomly at different camera angles, the portrait varies anywhere from 6 to 12 feet in height, and the parlor is large enough to play half-court basketball in.
Some details may be interesting, but Deen sure messed a lot of little day to day things up.
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2010-08-23, 12:06 | Link #16631 | |
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2010-08-23, 14:42 | Link #16632 | |
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In any case, I wouldn't put it past Kinzo to live in a hall of mirrors. |
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2010-08-23, 14:53 | Link #16635 | |
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His name was romanised poorly in this pic, though.
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2010-08-23, 15:08 | Link #16636 | |
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Kanon being the camera would also explain why Nanjo can't save him in Ep1. Nobody on the island can work anything more complicated than a spoon, especially not Nanjo!
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2010-08-23, 22:11 | Link #16639 | |
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So unless we haven't been told the content of that other bottle yet and we are only led to believe that we have, I think it is safe to assume that Episode 1 and 2 are the letters. Episode 1 is also counted as a round of the game within Umineko's continuity even by Battler and Beato themselves when they discuss all games during the finale in Episode 4. Only because Battler was not able to discuss that game 'live' so to speak, does not mean it wasn't observed by the witches.
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