2010-08-12, 02:46 | Link #4462 |
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Personally I think Erika is a meta character with a specific piece, not any different from beatrice. Her specific piece is someone yes.
Moogleking and some others believes she's an amalgam of many people's feelings, and that the one who killed people/etc is one of these people. |
2010-08-12, 03:01 | Link #4463 | |
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Well, I don't have anything against theories in which Erika is a bunch of people since I was pushing my "Erika ball" theory back in EP5, but it seems harder to explain EP6 with. Maybe some people have thought about it more.
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Is Erika supposed to be a "real name" even though it belongs to a group? If not, who passes through the guest room door? |
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2010-08-12, 03:08 | Link #4464 |
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Well hmm suppose this non Shkanon theory.
Shannon is Beatrice. We know Beato was a big fan of mystery novel. It seems her personality was based on Jessica. Erika is also a big fan of mystery novel, and her identity is something like what Natsuhi and Krauss wanted Jessica to be. Beatrice gave up after arc 4, and then Erika appeared. Beatrice is usually the culprit, this time it's Erika (so the same person). I'm not saying this is true of arc 5, in arc 5 the culprit is whoever LD's piece is. When they pull the trigger on Erika, Battler and Beato speaks as if it was also farewell for them. Now in the fantasy scenes, we see a duel between Shannon and Kanon. Suppose Shannon is the killer/Erika, and went to get Battler, then Kanon arrived and they had their duel. Kanon died as the duel showed us. That way Kanon doesn't exist anymore, and it was shown to us. |
2010-08-12, 03:26 | Link #4465 |
do you know ベアトリーチェ様?
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Probably needs some refinement, but it's something.
If Erika is Shannontrice and Beatrice was created to love Battler, isn't that... weird for her to try and kill him? And if she kills Kanon, why is she confused about his disappearance? |
2010-08-12, 03:27 | Link #4466 | |
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Seals on the windows are retroactively activated. Erika then seals the door manually, so no one escapes. |
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2010-08-12, 03:35 | Link #4467 |
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As you said it's an interpretation. It's not like this was ever said to us, so you can't deny my point. I feel much more comfortable theorizing about holes in time then about naming nonsense. Holes in red's timing is something that has been there all along, and in arc 5 we have proof it was used. Naming nonsense to escape red so far is not guaranteed in any ways. Actually that you have to argue about how they could have been stuck inside is proof enough that that red isn't necessarily valid.
@ K//eternal Erika is the "loveless" Beatrice born from her giving up on Battler, that's why she hates him - remember that she hates love. Her own pov is unreliable because she's not the detective, beside the red and her specific actions anything she sees or hears can be fake. It wouldn't pass if those Shannon/Kanon duel scenes weren't shown but since they were it satisfy knox 8th. |
2010-08-12, 04:08 | Link #4468 | |
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It nicely solves the problem, doesn't violate any red, and doesn't resort to red-bending ideas such as "Kinzo is a title, not a name" or "Erika doesn't exist". However it isn't a satisfying conclusion. If it were to be canon, I'd find it to be a lacklustre trick. (Admittedly, Shkanon would be a dirty trick too, but it'd be a complex answer worthy of the puzzle) I guess I want a middle ground between the too-simple-to-be-true theories, and the Small-Bombs tier theories. |
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2010-08-12, 04:18 | Link #4469 | |
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Her confused state about Kanons disappearance would be the 'Third degree concept denial' Erika existing as a cup in a cup and (the metaform) knowing about it makes as much sense as a Shkannon with DID. It does rise the question what her history means. Other than any other flashback we don't really get to see a story but 'facts' i see that as 'Erika' can't trust even the one she loves because she can't destroy the possibility of cheating. A very rational thinking. This goes against anything we are shown before.
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2010-08-12, 11:54 | Link #4470 | |
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This is the reason why in this case I like this theory more then Shkanon as an answer. At least to me, that way it's a genius and very complex move. |
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2010-08-13, 10:16 | Link #4471 |
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Been a while, just posting my thoughts about EP6, Finally finished the main story. Maybe serious spoilers (predictions):
Spoiler for Umineko, Episode 6, all:
-They're just theories, they're probably riddled with holes and mistakes since its been so long since I've played the past games. I haven't read any other posts yet so I assume some of these if not all have already been mentioned. -I've always believed in the "Kanon isn't K" theory since comparing the character data from the end of each game and subtle language used throughout the story. -Love can make people do crazy things, but we can't see through their shoes without the same love. -Otherwise, this whole game is just a tax fraud, much like Japan's centenarian mysteriously disappearing or having died decades ago, but their family still collecting their pensions. I mean isn't it creepy to have a 30 year old corpse in the room next to you... (I've also yet to do the extra tea party scenario's in EP 6.) Last edited by gtr06; 2010-08-13 at 10:52. |
2010-08-13, 15:44 | Link #4473 | |
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So technically only Jessica left... --> haircolor |
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2010-08-13, 15:52 | Link #4474 |
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I've asked this a few times, but are hair colors of anyone but Beatrice ever mentioned in the text or even in supplementary sources? It would definitely be telling if Jessica's hair is actually blond as opposed to just being that color on the sprites for artistic purposes.
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2010-08-13, 15:55 | Link #4476 | |
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2010-08-13, 16:47 | Link #4478 | |
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As for Jessica I think Natsuhi would have a heart attack if she saw her daughter was dying her hair. |
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2010-08-13, 19:20 | Link #4479 |
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' If this woman had normal black hair, I might have thought it was a portrait of my long-deceased Grandmother in her prime. However, the woman in the portrait had beautiful blonde hair and didn't look Japanese at all'
Kinzo is japanese wich makes his hair most likely black do we know the race of his wife? She also had black hair (if she was western the genes could be in her). So whats with Krauss and all these hair colors? Artistic choice? In Higurashi we have green and blue girls, I don't think the Sonozaki's or the proud shrinemaiden would dye their hair. In the same scene Jessica also mentions that Beatrice doesn't exist while Maria is right beside here, but it looks like she is too hungry to defend Beatrice.
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2010-08-14, 00:34 | Link #4480 | |
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