Nanoha - StrikerS - Episode 11 Discussion / Poll

[An Hero in Disguise]

Originally Posted by Fuyu no Sora

Then the show would become some sort of Gundam Seed rip-off where the heroes are fighting against the "good" guys and against the bad guys. No thanks, I think I'll pass.

Weren't the heroes fighting against good bad guys in the previous seasons too? Doc having some iportant person as a client is pretty much granted, so it's either TSAB or Church that's involved in the conspiracy, unless they bring yet another unknown person on the scene. I'd love to see battles with a large number of human soldiers involved, more powerful mages providing fire support and cover and directing army's maneuvers (BTW at this point any plot twist may be called a rip-off of something, not to mention StrikerS had a large number of references to other series from the beginning).

[Fuyu no Sora]

Originally Posted by An Hero in Disguise

Weren't the heroes fighting against good bad guys in the previous seasons too? Doc having some iportant person as a client is pretty much granted, so it's either TSAB or Church that's involved in the conspiracy, unless they bring yet another unknown person on the scene. I'd love to see battles with a large number of human soldiers involved, more powerful mages providing fire support and cover and directing army's maneuvers (BTW at this point any plot twist may be called a rip-off of something, not to mention StrikerS had a large number of references to other series from the beginning).

I don't recall them fighting the TSAB and anyone else that's considered bad guys in the 2 previous seasons.

And I personally would like for the corrupt ones to be the TSAB . We've been speculating about this for a while now and it would be fun to have our speculations come true

[Ratler]

Originally Posted by An Hero in Disguise

Weren't the heroes fighting against good bad guys in the previous seasons too? Doc having some iportant person as a client is pretty much granted, so it's either TSAB or Church that's involved in the conspiracy, unless they bring yet another unknown person on the scene. I'd love to see battles with a large number of human soldiers involved, more powerful mages providing fire support and cover and directing army's maneuvers (BTW at this point any plot twist may be called a rip-off of something, not to mention StrikerS had a large number of references to other series from the beginning).

Ya you are right, Vita and the rest where not "bad" so to speak, they where doing the only thing that they knew to do to help Hayate.
ok so on that note who does everyone think the clientis:
1: TSAB
2: Church
3: Other

I am inclined to vote 2 myself.

[Icarus]

Originally Posted by An Hero in Disguise

Weren't the heroes fighting against good bad guys in the previous seasons too? Doc having some iportant person as a client is pretty much granted, so it's either TSAB or Church that's involved in the conspiracy, unless they bring yet another unknown person on the scene. I'd love to see battles with a large number of human soldiers involved, more powerful mages providing fire support and cover and directing army's maneuvers (BTW at this point any plot twist may be called a rip-off of something, not to mention StrikerS had a large number of references to other series from the beginning).

Well, in Gundam Wing, the heroes fight pretty much everyone. The only difference between Nanoha and Gundam is that Gundam tends to stick rigidly to a typical storyline - "who are we fighting? war is bad!" - while Nanoha goes and tries to break pretty much every genre convention known.

I'd rather have a huge curveball thrown than have a series that does it differently turn to something completely cliched for the third outing.

[Fuyu no Sora]

Originally Posted by Ratler

Ya you are right, Vita and the rest where not "bad" so to speak, they where doing the only thing that they knew to do to help Hayate. ok so on that note who does everyone think the clientis:
1: TSAB
2: Church
3: Other

I am inclined to vote 2 myself.

I'm inclined to vote 1. "Corrupt" doesn't fit Carim's image. Maybe Acous.......

[Ratler]

Originally Posted by Fuyu no Sora

I'm inclined to vote 1. "Corrupt" doesn't fit Carim's image. Maybe Acous.......

I am inclined to agree that corrupt doesn't fit her to well, but it might not be either one of them. It could be someone else in the church.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Fuyu no Sora

I'm inclined to vote 1. "Corrupt" doesn't fit Carim's image. Maybe Acous.......

Nah, he's too slacky to be a traitor. I vote TSAB, with Graham they've already shown a tendecy to chase their own goals at the expense of others.

[Fuyu no Sora]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Nah, he's too slacky to be a traitor. I vote TSAB, with Graham they've already shown a tendecy to chase their own goals at the expense of others.

How about we make this a poll? It would be interesting right?

[Ratler]

Originally Posted by Fuyu no Sora

How about we make this a poll? It would be interesting right?

OK.... so who is going to ask the mods??

[Fuyu no Sora]

Originally Posted by Ratler

OK.... so who is going to ask the mods??

Uh, no no. Bad idea. I meant a poll here in the thread

Poll-only threads are forbidden here

[Ratler]

I thought so ok so far the votes are

1: TSAB -- 2
2: Church -- 1
3: Other -- 0

Ill try and keep track of it ^^

[An Hero in Disguise]

Originally Posted by Icarus

Well, in Gundam Wing, the heroes fight pretty much everyone. The only difference between Nanoha and Gundam is that Gundam tends to stick rigidly to a typical storyline - "who are we fighting? war is bad!" - while Nanoha goes and tries to break pretty much every genre convention known.

I'd rather have a huge curveball thrown than have a series that does it differently turn to something completely cliched for the third outing.

They don't have to repeat GSD, so instead of showing how bad is war they may tell that "war can sometimes be necessary to make society better", or "a good war justifies the goals" - fighting makes humanity evolve after all

EDIT: I'm for the evil inside Church - just bevause TSAB looks more likely

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Nah, he's too slacky to be a traitor. I vote TSAB, with Graham they've already shown a tendecy to chase their own goals at the expense of others.

acous sly! no doubt about it...just from looking at his face creeps me out...he is evil i tell ya!!! (and may in the future try to control hayate through blackmail if shes not careful )

im voting for 1) as the chance for corruption within the TSBA are high...and carim being evil is something i can never see :3

[Fuyu no Sora]

Originally Posted by An Hero in Disguise

They don't have to repeat GSD, so instead of showing how bad is war they may tell that "war can sometimes be necessary to make society better", or "a good war justifies the goals" - fighting makes humanity evolve after all

This scenario would be interesting

EDIT: I think most of us suspect the TSAB

[Icarus]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Nah, he's too slacky to be a traitor. I vote TSAB, with Graham they've already shown a tendecy to chase their own goals at the expense of others.

I don't think that reasoning works well in this case. One man's personal goals do not equal the whole of the TSAB's. Graham was shown to be acting in his own personal interests.

If anything, I think the Client is a completely seperate third party, and definitely not the Church (who are probably monastic at best, and don't appear to be very warfaring despite having powerful mages highly ranked in the TSAB) or the TSAB (who are severely short-staffed and reactive, not proactive, to situations).

[Fuyu no Sora]

Originally Posted by Icarus

I don't think that reasoning works well in this case. One man's personal goals do not equal the whole of the TSAB's. Graham was shown to be acting in his own personal interests.

While it may be true that stereotyping an entire congregation because of one person is bad, we have to consider many facts that make the TSAB suspicious. Why else would they forbid physical weapons while they know about the AMF?

[Ratler]

@Fuyu no Sora hrm.. interesting point


Should I post who voted for what in the poll?

[Dark Wing]

To add it may not be the TSAB as a whole but just may be one or two people pulling the strings...

[Ratler]

IS that a vote for the TSAB??

[Icarus]

Originally Posted by Fuyu no Sora

While it may be true that stereotyping an entire congregation because of one person is bad, we have to consider many facts that make the TSAB suspicious. Why else would they forbid physical weapons while they know about the AMF?

Why do some police forces condone the use of live ammo but allow the use of rubber bullets and tazers?
As for AMF, there are ways around them, as has been proven several times.