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Well, like any controlled substances.... everything should be done according to the law. If it has medical benefits why not allow it. As long as "using it, the way it should be medical" and be abuse, its a good progress for medicine. |
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It will be on the ballot again this year. http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph...itiative_(2012) I see no reason why it shouldn't be legal for those who wish to use it. The revenue the government could make off it is well worth making it legal and taxing it.
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2012-07-04, 12:31 | Link #22345 | |
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2012-07-04, 12:53 | Link #22346 | |
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1. Purity of the substance. If they are done at labs the purity and perecentage of active ingredient of the substance would remain a steady constant; plus, you could sue hem if that were not the case. 2. Price will drop. Simple demand and offer, they would not be any pricier than other equivalent recreational drugs (alcohol/tobaco) and therefore criminal organizations could not corrupt society inside or outside the USA with their blood-money. 3. Drug concentration. People using legal recreational drugs tend to seek brands lower concentration dosage (unless you become a junkie, see alcoholism and tabaquism). 4. Profit. This is a tax that no one can speak against. |
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2012-07-04, 14:13 | Link #22347 | |
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Unless of course, you don't mind the taste of marijuana flavoured soylent green.
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2012-07-04, 14:23 | Link #22348 |
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No debate about the severe cost about substance abuse (that is what should the tax should be used for, healthcare of those addicted), so, are you an outspoken supporter of making alchohol and tobacco illegal? because thinking legal drugs are better than illegal drugs is plain delusional.
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2012-07-04, 14:57 | Link #22349 | ||
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2012-07-04, 15:11 | Link #22350 | |
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Does Al Capone means anythng to you at all?
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2012-07-04, 15:22 | Link #22351 | |
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2012-07-04, 15:33 | Link #22352 | |
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How do you even qualify "better" drugs? Drugs with lower addictive rate? It is the control of distribution of drugs that stems addiction and substance abuse - how much easier do you think it is to grow a cannabis or opium plant than to distill alcohol or cure tobacco to a desired flavour?
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2012-07-04, 15:59 | Link #22353 | |
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Forbes: Ten Years After Decriminalization, Drug Abuse Down by Half in Portugal I can tell you it did work brilliantly: possession was decriminalized and stuff like syringes can be freely traded for new, clean ones for free and in a safe manner at mobile units (that also provide methadone treatments) as well as any local clinic and many pharmacies. It worked wonders! Couple that with work by the police and municipalities to clean up run-down neighbourhoods that constituted trouble hotspots for drug trafficking and consumption and you have an effective way to clean up a substantial fraction of drug abuse cases using positive reinforcement instead of punishing the victims. It's not cheap upfront but what you save in tangentially related stuff like persecuting people for possession charges and all the minor criminality like muggings and break-ins that get reduced as a side effect makes it more than worth the price of admission (in my humble but supported by empirical evidence opinion obviously). PS: do note however that trafficking is still illegal, that hasn't changed even if I'm in the camp of those that supports it for all the tax-related benefits it incurs.
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2012-07-04, 16:02 | Link #22354 | ||
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You do not, that is the whole point. Any substance (call it cannabis, tobacco, alcohol, cocaine, etc) whose consumption may become addictive has the potential and will damage the body (often beyond any repair modern medicine would afford) if consumed in excess. It is pointless to say "x" substance does half the damage of "y" substance since people if addicted can and will consume twice of "x" because they think it is "healthier".
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If you limit yourself to what has happened in yout lifetime that is true, but if you include the lessons learned from the 1930 alcohol prohibition is that legalization is the lesser of both evils (see above post if you desire a link), plain and simple (unless of course, living under a fascist regime that controls what you may or may not consume is your idea of heaven). |
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2012-07-04, 16:45 | Link #22355 |
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To put on the same scale the side effects of both tabacco/alcohol with those drugs seems ... quite not right to put it pleasantly.
If you want to live in the fear of being attacked by somebody who didn't have his daily injection or simply took to much, I understand but well ... I think most human don't really want. Of course the same can apply to alcoohol, but as said before, the scale totally isn't the same, and tabacco, well .... It's one's own life, if people want so badly to reduce their life simply to feel some pleasure, they may do so, but the moment my own safety enters in the equation, it's a no-no from me. |
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And that means the distilliation process has to be controlled carefully through a hydrometer to prevent "KO water" from being made, as well as several purity control factors - and to add to that, taste had to be factored in. As for the plants; I think you need to read about guerilla farming and how different parts of America has different climates - it is much easier to plant and dry leaves to smoke and export elsewhere than to make alcohol. So isn't making alcohol more difficult than planting hashish? Quote:
If you think government control is all about being facist and neo-nazi, I think you have got to be one of those delusional idiot anarchists out there who has no idea what in going on in what the US media labels "oppressed countries with limited freedoms". How wrong can that view be? [/sarcasm] Seriously, there is a limit to control and freedom - they can co-exist. I am not one for control of internet, freedom of thought and opinion, but not to the extent where the media can write total bullshit without giving thought into EXACT figures. I am totally for the control of drugs and tobacco, but not to the extent where CFT cocktails and cyber-prosthetics are strangled away from those who want another chance at life near death. The few aspects which I stand in-between is gun-control and self-defence, so does that make me a pro-facist simply because I wanted some control over society-breakers? If you think living under leaders funded by drug lords armed by arms-makers across the border is better than living under corporatist politicians with no hint of how modern technology functions, that is your opinion; I respect that. However, if you do not wish to understand that there is a humungous "middle ground" between order and freedom in state functionalities, take your puritanical arguments elsewhere.
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2012-07-04, 17:49 | Link #22358 |
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Palestinian Authority agrees to exhume Arafat's body over new poison claims:
"The Palestinian Authority agreed on Wednesday to the exhumation of Yasser Arafat's body after new allegations that he was poisoned with the radioactive element polonium-210 in 2004. A Swiss institute that examined clothing provided by Arafat's widow Suha as part of an Al Jazeera expose said it found "surprisingly" high levels of polonium-210, though symptoms described in the president's medical reports were not consistent with the radioactive agent." See: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...laims-1.448814 |
2012-07-04, 17:56 | Link #22359 | |
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Given what he said and how forcefully he stopped the BBC reporter from jumping to conclusions (yay, good science at work). One possibility is that someone was trying to poison him but his own vast array of medical conditions got him first. Unanswerable at present would be whom - internal faction, rivals, foreign interests, etc.
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2012-07-04, 22:26 | Link #22360 |
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a fitting entry just in time before USA's 236th birthday ends
The Case For American (Automotive) Exceptionalism
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...xceptionalism/ |
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