2007-06-22, 16:48 | Link #41 | |
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As for the shinigamis such as Rukia and Renji. The situations they were put through did not take centuries to resolve. They were just as down as Orihime at one time but they were able to pick themselves up through the help of their nakamas. Examples: Rukia did not deem herself worthy of being saved and accepted her fate to die. She then gained back the will to live because she saw how Ichigo and company were risking their lives saving her. This did not span through a decade or so but only a month. Last edited by deadroot; 2007-06-22 at 17:05. |
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2007-06-23, 07:36 | Link #42 | |
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Inoue can't decide if she wants to be a) Ichigo's cheerleader b) healer c) protector d) Rukia ** **I did not make this up ok? She really wants to be more like Rukia, I think it's in her conversation with Matsumoto. |
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2007-06-23, 18:44 | Link #43 | |
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a) Orihime has done great injustice to her friends by actually believing that if she doesn't do what Aizen says they will die. Orihime is fully aware of her friends potential, she has fought with them several times and she knows what they are capable of. But by going with Aizen she has commited the greatest betrayal by not having enough faith in her friends. People keep on saying that Orihime's power comes from her heart but tehcnically so does everyone elses. Everyone, not just Ichigo or Rukia, get a surge of power through their raw emotions. Everyone can draw on the power of their heart and become more powerful than what they are, regardless if they have fairies or not. So what excuse does Orihime have for not having enough faith in her friends? b) She has been 'feeling' her friends die, then why didn't she do anything about it? Instead she just sits there passively and waits for 'Kurosaki-kun'. c) The difference between the captivity of Rukia and Orihime, is during that time Rukia has no idea about the potential of the Ryoka group. She knew fully well the capabilities of the Shinigami while she is not yet fully aware about the potential of Ichigo and his team. Rukia embraced her death sentence with conviction because she didn't want her friends to be harmed and she knew fully well that she has commited a grave crime. I don't know if there is any conviction in the part of Orihime for going with Aizen other than being under the threat of harming her friends. She goes in there as a confused sacrificial lamb ready for slaughter. And another thing, Orihime has known fully well that her friends will soon set out to try to defeat Aizen. She knew that he was the enemy. And she willingly goes to the enemy under false pretences. Did she even think that her actions will put her friends at risk even more than before? Does she know what it will do to their morale? Personally, I think Ichigo doubts Inoue's allegiance now. Inoue has always been afraid that she is a burden to her friends but her current actions have made whatever thought she was thinking off a reality. Now she REALLY is a burden to her friends. Last edited by yahoosoda; 2007-06-23 at 19:05. |
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2007-06-24, 01:46 | Link #44 |
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I agree with you yahoosoda, but i have been thinking about something. When the arancar came to take her and threaten to kill her friends, If she believed they would pull through and didn't decide to go along with him, wouldn't the arancar have taken her regardless.(sorry i forgot that guy's name. the emo looking one lol.)
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2007-06-24, 02:28 | Link #45 |
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Her kidnapping could have been totally avoided if she wasnt so weak willed to succumb to Emospada. That scene just showed how weak her character was.
She should have just woken Ichigo up, called and assembled everyone, and faced the Arrancars head on if they were going to go through with their threat to target Ichigo and his friends(which they were going to do anyway). I blame Kubo for making such a weak, unlikable character. I cant sympathize with someone who's major contribution to a shounen manga is to shorten in universe passage of time by healing everyone up after fights and who has gone through a lot but hasnt improved at all, who keeps wanting to get stronger for 100+ chapters but actually hasnt, etc.
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2007-06-24, 20:01 | Link #48 | |
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Yup, yup. Totally agree with you on that. In addition to that, Rukia believes that her death sentence will be a form of redemption for what happened with Kaien. |
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2007-06-24, 20:10 | Link #49 |
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Well all we can do is pray she gets stronger (both power and personality wise) and that she improves. I hope she doesn't get killed. Truth be told i don't want her to die some lame death where she sacrificed herself to help the others out with something and they go baserker mode.
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2007-06-25, 11:25 | Link #50 |
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I can't really agree with the majority here.
Firstly, in Bleach you can't really say that anyone has had a worse life than anyone else. Rukia, for example. She can't even remember the time when she was an infant and abandoned. She had her gang with her (including Renji) up through adolescence, and the friends she had in the academy. Now I know you are gonna bring up the issue with Kaien, then Orihime had the issue with her brother as well (she also thought she was at fault for anchoring his spirit by telling him she didn't want to be left alone. Also, you might say well Orihime has Tatsuki hanging with her, she still lives alone, and has no living family. Hell its pretty much the least she can get after her whole family is gone. Rukia has Byakuya, and Ichigo has a good family. But Ishida and Chad I do have sympathy for since they are in similar situations. In other words its useless to judge wether a character in this show is worthy of sympathy based on the past, since they all have their melancholic stories to tell. Secondly, you guys say she should have called everyone to arms and made a full frontal assault on the enemy. This would have been a GRAVE error on our heroes part. Going into battle like that would have been foolhardy indeed. MAYBE they would get reinforcements from SS if the situation got too intense, but after seeing how Yamamoto reacted to Ichigo wanting to go rescue Orihime I don't think it would go the way you all are figuring. Besides who says she would even be given the chance? Who says that Ulqui wasn't looking over her most of the time before she departed? In no way at all is her going with Ulqui a betrayal. She did what she thought was best at the time considering the situation. Its not like she has her own personal com link to everyone to call for help and they can all gather together in a flash, set up for battle, and be able to prepare for a frontal assault in a day. The enemy would expect a last minute attack and as we've seen they have more than the forces to handle such an assault. At least with this route our protaganists have got time to prepare a counteroffensive. Besides if they've got time to fight they've got time to have the Vizard crew protect her while everyone would keep watch. Hell, that sounds like a brighter idea than the "LETS CHARGE IN THE FRONT" plan. On another point, shes been far more useful than people will ever give her credit for. If she needs a bit to sort some stuff within herself, I say give it to her. You don't see her friends saying, "Oh my god! This wuss got caught so easily." "Oh well, just dump her ass." I've got a few ideas about where Kubo Tite is going with her character, but I want to wrap this up and save that for another time. Finally for all of you with the "omg her power is hax." I don't see anyone complaining about Mr. Unbreakable Illusions who hasn't even shown a bankai yet, and the only other person who could combat that is under said Mr Unbreakakble Illusions control. No one complains about that. Or the ones who say she needs to be killed to make the hero stronger. Hah? Bah. Sorry to rant, but I've just found that when most people watch shows like these fluctuate their likes and dislikes for a character on a whim. If their don't like to just layer the battlefield with corpses they are weak, if they have a weak side, they are emo, and if it takes time to develop the character the author is seen as incompetent. Bah. |
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This rescue attempt is really just confirming why Inoue wanted to avoid her friends getting involved in the first place as the Espada are easily slaughtering them. If not on a whim by Grimmjow, Ichigo would still be lying on the ground with a hole in his chest. Quote:
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Wow I agree with you 100%. People just see Orihime as the typical damsel in distress and hae her for it. |
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2007-06-25, 18:13 | Link #55 | |
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The impact of the mind game being played is quite simple, it breeds doubt. There is something more other than Orihime's allegiance at stake here. The mind game exist in Ichigo and his group (including the Soul Society) doubting their own abilities simply because their fellow comrade did so. That's the mind game that is being played. Whatever Orihime has done, if she even thought it would buy time, is completely and utterly false. If she knew her friends and regardless of whatever condition her captivity may have been, she would have known that they will go get her...all preparations be damned. So given those variables, why in the world did Orihime choose to join this group rather than staying true to her beliefs? Last edited by yahoosoda; 2007-06-25 at 21:00. |
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not really i mean she didn't have it that bad Azien didn't have any intention of letting her die (unlike rukia's situation where she would have been killed if not rescued) and besides the evil lolis she wasn't treated that bad and im guessing if Azien heard of the abuse there would have been scattered loli parts everywhere and now she is free at the moment so really this isn't too bad
if you want pity someone look at chad the man tries so hard and just get demolished every time because he runs into somebody out of his league plus for the past few manga chapters he has been in a pile of his own blood with no help in sight so id have to vote hell no |
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Again, try to see it more from Orihime's point of view, a teenage girl who has just seen her escorts ripped in half like tissue paper. Then, she's shown images of her friends and allies not just being beaten but getting totally dominated by Espada and told either way she will be captured, but that if she doesn't cooperate they will all be killed immediately. Should she have just wagered with her friends lives, and refused believing they'd all survive somehow? Or should she have accepted the offer and then try to defy Ulq orders resulting in possibly several more Espada being sent to kill them? Even if Soul Society were to get involved, Hitsugaya already stated that they weren't prepared to handle Aizen and the Espada. Even with the vizards and Urahara to possibly even things up, tell me how that situation could be resolved with no casualties? Orihime adhering to "beliefs" would've resulted in immediate bloodshed. At least, by cooperating Inoue gave them a chance to prepare, a chance they didn't take advantage of but it was a chance nonetheless. I'm sure if it had been Ichigo, Renji or even Ishida in that situation they would've told Ulq to shove his offer up his a** and fought with everything they had. But I don't think it's accurate to call someone who doesn't have that same train of thought weak. And trying to say that the current situation somehow Inoue's fault is definitely not fair. Last edited by Sabaku Kyu; 2007-06-25 at 21:52. |
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