Nanoha - StrikerS - Episode 22 Discussion / Poll

[Key Board]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

???: Fine, I'll go alter the script. Gimme a few hours.

I doubt it.

Seven Arcs is not Sunrise. It does not have the resources to ad lib and change things midway. And even when someone as rich as Sunrise does it, it shows. read: stock footage, long episode delays

Anime production follows a relatively strict schedule

The voice recording for StrikerS was already done before the first episode aired.

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by Key Board

I doubt it.

Seven Arcs is not Sunrise. It does not have the resources to ad lib and change things midway. And even when someone as rich as Sunrise does it, it shows. read: stock footage, long episode delays

Anime production follows a relatively strict schedule

The voice recording for StrikerS was already done before the first episode aired.

I am aware of that. What I did was a joke.

Doesn't change the fact that most people found StrikerS's division of emphasis...lackluster.

[Jimmy C]

Originally Posted by Key Board

The voice recording for StrikerS was already done before the first episode aired.

Not quite. From what I've read about other anime series, it's more likely that the voice acting is done around one to two months before a particular episode is supposed to air. In StrikerS case, I believe the studio only has ep26 left to work on by this time. The others are "set in stone" already. Like'em or hate'em, there's no changing them by now.

[Demon Eyes]

A little late but regarding to that episode number issue...

I don't see any problems with the 26.

I find it impossible even for this lovely little miracle company to pull off introducing all those characters in 13 episodes.

I my self think that there was no episode wasted.

Training is important and I must admit that this child prodigy thing was getting old so to use it on all the new comers would've been a little over board.

The training episodes were necessary. The relaxing were also necessary. The characters grew up so must the show...

Making that high of a time jump and then just falling into 13 episodes of action wouldn't have cut it!

But it might just be me and my love for Nanoha though...

Over all, I don't see how it would've been pulled off with 13 episodes.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Demon Eyes

A little late but regarding to that episode number issue...

I don't see any problems with the 26.

I find it impossible even for this lovely little miracle company to pull off introducing all those characters in 13 episodes.

I my self think that there was no episode wasted.

Training is important and I must admit that this child prodigy thing was getting old so to use it on all the new comers would've been a little over board.

The training episodes were necessary. The relaxing were also necessary. The characters grew up so must the show...

Making that high of a time jump and then just falling into 13 episodes of action wouldn't have cut it!

But it might just be me and my love for Nanoha though...

Over all, I don't see how it would've been pulled off with 13 episodes.

Someone (arkhangelsk I think) mentioned that to properly tell The StrikerS story, it would have to be more than 26 episodes.

I agree that there's nothing wrong with Training or relaxing, however I disagree that we'll need THAT MUCH of it.

And thats not the only problem, it's fine if the characters grow (reasonably) slow, but even amongs main characters, we have people like Nanoha, Fate, Teana and Subaru, even Vita hogging up the limelight, killings the growth spurt of the others characters.

[S_K]

Well, during this episode it looks like everyone is getting owned but then you look at the preview and it looks like they start owning
Anyways, the fact that Vice shot his sister(I believe that was his sister) was shocking
When Vice said Danna, I wonder what he really meant

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by S_K

Well, during this episode it looks like everyone is getting owned but then you look at the preview and it looks like they start owning
Anyways, the fact that Vice shot his sister(I believe that was his sister) was shocking
When Vice said Danna, I wonder what he really meant

It's probably a sign of respect, just like how he calls Signum "Nee-san".

Can't quite see him do the same for Vita though

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

• At the beggining, when Subaru spins around once, instead of a dark background is a midnight-blue background.
• The camera focuses more on Genya and Rein
• When Zest and Signum are clashing, the bolts are white, instead of violet
• And the type-3 Drone Fate cuts in half, the inside of the drone is yellow (because of the cut), instead of grey.
• The Vivio scene, the background is darker, and Vivio's movements are not as fast.
• When Vivio and Nanoha's are almost touching, the movement of the hands slipping away is a bit more fluid.

That's what I picked up, anyone saw something I didn't?

During Subaru's kamehameha at the end, she has a magic ring around her wrist.

[narmi]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

I'm not sure, Garyuu seems to be around A-rankish in just combat ability... And if we're using similar parallels, Arf's seems slightly stronger overall since she was on par if only slightly weaker than Zafira, but Garyuu would have speed advantage while Arf benefits from being an all-rounder that can actually cast magic.

Regardless, Erio vs Garyuu has NO drama whatsoever so there's no reason to drag it long, so I'm putting my money on Garyuu getting owned and Lutecia pissed off, starting a "Godzilla-class" summon battle.

Hahahah maybe Lutecia's "Godzilla-class" summon will be MOTHRA!!! lol I hope someone does a parody where she summons mothra while Caro summons Godzilla. Now that would be perfect.

Originally Posted by S_K

Well, during this episode it looks like everyone is getting owned but then you look at the preview and it looks like they start owning
Anyways, the fact that Vice shot his sister(I believe that was his sister) was shocking
When Vice said Danna, I wonder what he really meant

Hahaha when Vice's sister came in to visit Vice (before Vice's little sister states she's Vice's sister). I said to myself "oh wow, I didn't see happening!", also the scene with Jail actually coming out was pretty good.


Oh yah the scene with Subaru and Ginga fighting against each other (even if it's a small scene) was pretty good. Finally we get to see what really "happened" to her after she was captured. Dang it now I can't wait for ep 23 before my new semester starts. Hahahha

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

• At the beggining, when Subaru spins around once, instead of a dark background is a midnight-blue background.
• The camera focuses more on Genya and Rein
• When Zest and Signum are clashing, the bolts are white, instead of violet
• And the type-3 Drone Fate cuts in half, the inside of the drone is yellow (because of the cut), instead of grey.
• The Vivio scene, the background is darker, and Vivio's movements are not as fast.
• When Vivio and Nanoha's are almost touching, the movement of the hands slipping away is a bit more fluid.

That's what I picked up, anyone saw something I didn't?

I didn't notice those changes, but I did notice the only change that Seranade_Beta mentioned and that was about Subaru's divine buster attack and she had a magical circle around her wrist.

Well before everything comes to a wrap, atleast reveal whose that person Lutecia is trying to save and does Scaglietti have relic#11 and did he use it on Vivio during episode 19 and such...ugh, Lutecia has somewhat sneaked into the side spotlight alongside with Teana's triple threat problem and saving Ginga with Subaru.
The mystery of Quint's death sounds important enough to deal with, but its a bit too late already and before Ginga could have a chance to find out who did it, she gets captured and turned evil.

[Jimmy C]

For those interested, the override Quattro used on Lutecia sounds like Consideration (or Consolidation) Console (or Control). No doubt Ginga and Vivio have overrides as well.
I really don't like the fact that Vivio's original existed around only 300 years ago. Schach even confirmed that was the time of the Saint. That means what we've been calling Ancient Belka is just Old Belka. This is terribly unsettling because, if it was that recent, there should be more historical records of the Cradle available than Yuuno indicated.
At one stroke they've made everything seem younger than it used to be. What's next? The Book of Darkness being less than 500 years old? Jewel Seeds made less than 1000 years ago?

[arkxkra]

wow, this episode the raising heart very cool :P....
this episdoe make me abit worry, especially Nanoha Flash back and say she belong to *sky...it getting and getting higher chance tat she will gone... T_T.... So far from the situation is very not good for them...

[Kha]

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

I really don't like the fact that Vivio's original existed around only 300 years ago. Schach even confirmed that was the time of the Saint. That means what we've been calling Ancient Belka is just Old Belka. This is terribly unsettling because, if it was that recent, there should be more historical records of the Cradle available than Yuuno indicated.
At one stroke they've made everything seem younger than it used to be. What's next? The Book of Darkness being less than 500 years old? Jewel Seeds made less than 1000 years ago?

Consider the canon calender year: It is MC 0075. 75 years on a calender?! Now that's what I call young.

No surprise then that what caused Ancient Belka to disappear was pretty recent, and same goes for the Cradle.

However, nothing is stopping the Ancient Belka Imperium that had the Seiou and the Cradle in its dying years from existing for millenia before collapsing... In that light, Ancient Belka can deserve to be called Ancient.

Same goes for the YnS or the Jewel Seeds; nothing in canon so far says that they are within 500 years old. Unless you are disturbed by that, but IMHO, I don't see the problem here.

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by Kha

Consider the canon calender year: It is MC 0075. 75 years on a calender?! Now that's what I call young.

No surprise then that what caused Ancient Belka to disappear was pretty recent, and same goes for the Cradle.

However, nothing is stopping the Ancient Belka Imperium that had the Seiou and the Cradle in its dying years from existing for millenia before all that... In that light, Ancient Belka can deserve to be called Ancient.

Same goes for the YnS or the Jewel Seeds; nothing in canon so far says that they are within 500 years old. Unless you are disturbed by that, but IMHO, I don't see the problem here.

The MC refers to Modern Calendar. It's relatively new itself.

TSAB itself, for being an interdimensional organization is only 150 years old, and the founders, along with their first generation legends are still alive. Well, the founders were.

[Kha]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

The MC refers to Modern Calendar. It's relatively new itself.

TSAB itself, for being an interdimensional organization is only 150 years old, and the founders, along with their first generation legends are still alive. Well, the founders were.

Spoiler for Off-topic:

The idea of the Brains outliving their bodies reminds me of True Assassin... Ideas...

[Estavali]

@ All wondering about the supposed lack of info on the Cradle:

Let's not forget that one of mankind's favorite pastime is to burn books that have things that they don't like. Qin Shi Huang's persecution of the "unorthodox" scholars and the mass burning of precious Jewish texts in medieval times are just some examples.

If people wants to reduce the Cradle to a bad dream that will never be hear of anymore, or prevent other people from learning about it, destroying every accessible record would usually be considered to be the best course of action.

Not that I like it myself . Books are just too precious to burn, regardless their content.

[Jimmy C]

Originally Posted by Estavali

Let's not forget that one of mankind's favorite pastime is to burn books that have things that they don't like.

If you were talking about a conventional library, you would have a case. But we're talking about the Infinity Library here. We don't know how it gets stocked, but it seems have books from places and people so long forgotten, they're not legends anymore. I have a feeling that, if anyone had written anything about the Cradle in the last 300 years, it should have been in the Library.
Unless someone checked out all the books on the subject and "forgot" to return them......

[aers]

Spoilers for 23-26 under the spoiler tag. 23 isn't translated, sorry. Click at your own risk since I wouldn't want to ruin all the fun you seem to be having deciding whats going to happen I'd be glad if someone could check the TL too, friend of mine did it and wasn't sure on everything.

Spoiler for 23-26:

source is http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/493...1402422yf9.jpg

第23話「Stars Strike」
ディエチを破り、大座の間へと到着するなのはは、
意識を無くしたヴィヴィオとゆりかごのシステム全体を操るクワットロと対面する。
そして、クワットロはヴィヴィオに関する真実をなのはに伝え「決戦」の始まりを告げる。
戦闘機人3人相手の、絶望的な戦いにそれでも立ち向かうティアナとクロスミラージュ。
弱い心を奮い立たせ、自身の戦う理由、勇気の意味を思い、
マッハキャリバーとともに立ち上がるスバル。
2人はそれぞれの場所で鍛え続けてきた「最後の一撃」に賭ける……！
絵コンテ/草川啓造　演出/鼻山茂樹　作画監督/倉橋希・大城勝・青島克己

第24話「雷光」
地上本部で遭遇するかつての親友同士、ゼストとレジアス。悲しみの中で戦うルーテシアと
ルーテシアの命令を守るガリューを前に、キャロとエリオは懸命の想いを伝える。スカリエッ
ティのアジト内では、フェイトはザンバーを砕かれ、苦戦を強いられながらも戦い続ける。
そんな状況のフェイトに、エリオとキャロが伝えた想いと言葉は…
絵コンテ：長尾粛　演出：笹木史郎　作画監督：佐藤天昭

Episode 24 - Lightning

At Ground Forces HQ, the former close friends Zest and Regius finally encounter one another again. Fighting within the sadness, Caro and Elio convey their earnest feelings before Lutecia and her obedient Garyuu. Inside Scaglietti's hideout, Fate continues fighting a difficult battle even though Zanber is broken. Like in Fate's situation, the feelings and words conveyed by Elio and Caro...

第25話「ファイナル･リミット」
地上と空での戦いが続く中、重傷を負い疲労しながらも駆動路破壊に向かうヴィータ。
玉座の間で、玉座を守る生体兵器きとして覚醒し、襲い来るヴィヴィオを救助しようとする
なのは。そして最後に残った戦闘機人として、聖王のゆりかごを飛ばし続けるクアットロ。
止まらない運命と戦いの中、なのははブラスターモードを全開放する。
絵コンテ：草川啓造・まついひとゆき　演出：古川政美　作画監督：橋本貴吉

Episode 25 - Final Limit

While battles continue on the ground and in the sky, Vita drives onward despite exhaustion caused by her serious injuries. In the throne room, Nanoha attempts to save Vivio who has awakened as a living weapon to defend the throne. As the final remaining Combat Cyborg, Quattro continues to fly the Cradle of the Saints. Fighting against unstoppable destiny, Nanoha unleashes the full power of Blaster Mode.

第26話「約束の空へ」
聖王のゆりかごと地上での決戦を経て、「レリック事件」から端を発した「ジェイル・スカリ
エッテイ事件」は終わりを告げる。逮捕されたスカリエッティやナンバーズたち、保護された
ルーテシアとアギト。平和を取り戻した世界で静かに過ぎてゆく時間の中、それぞれの
視点で事件を思う一同。そして、機動六課はその役目と運用期間を無事に終えることと
なり…
絵コンテ・演出：吉田泰三　作画監督：小森篤

Episode 26 - To the Promised Sky

With the decisive battles in the Cradle of the Saints and on the ground over, the "Relic Incident" and the "Jail Scaglietti Incident" that originated from it are brought to an end. Scaglietti and the Numbers are arrested, and Lutecia and Agito are given shelter. In the newly peaceful world, everyone thinks of their own opinions on the incidents. And then, Sixth Division finish their duties and employment period safely...

[Estavali]

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

If you were talking about a conventional library, you would have a case. But we're talking about the Infinity Library here. We don't know how it gets stocked, but it seems have books from places and people so long forgotten, they're not legends anymore. I have a feeling that, if anyone had written anything about the Cradle in the last 300 years, it should have been in the Library.
Unless someone checked out all the books on the subject and "forgot" to return them......

That is not an impossibility, considering who these somebody may be. And if these gentlemen's arm are long enough, they even can have a whole of Head Libarians working under their orders.

Besides borrowing past the date due, they can also help mess things up in the Library to make sure that whoever looking for such info will have a very hard time, to say the least.

Of course, that is if the person-in-charge is someone other than Yuuno .

[Riddly]

Originally Posted by aers

Spoilers for 23-26 under the spoiler tag. 23 isn't translated, sorry. Click at your own risk since I wouldn't want to ruin all the fun you seem to be having deciding whats going to happen I'd be glad if someone could check the TL too, friend of mine did it and wasn't sure on everything.

Spoiler for 23-26:

source is http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/493...1402422yf9.jpg

第23話「Stars Strike」
ディエチを破り、大座の間へと到着するなのはは、
意識を無くしたヴィヴィオとゆりかごのシステム全体を操るクワットロと対面する。
そして、クワットロはヴィヴィオに関する真実をなのはに伝え「決戦」の始まりを告げる。
戦闘機人3人相手の、絶望的な戦いにそれでも立ち向かうティアナとクロスミラージュ。
弱い心を奮い立たせ、自身の戦う理由、勇気の意味を思い、
マッハキャリバーとともに立ち上がるスバル。
2人はそれぞれの場所で鍛え続けてきた「最後の一撃」に賭ける……！
絵コンテ/草川啓造　演出/鼻山茂樹　作画監督/倉橋希・大城勝・青島克己

第24話「雷光」
地上本部で遭遇するかつての親友同士、ゼストとレジアス。悲しみの中で戦うルーテシアと
ルーテシアの命令を守るガリューを前に、キャロとエリオは懸命の想いを伝える。スカリエッ
ティのアジト内では、フェイトはザンバーを砕かれ、苦戦を強いられながらも戦い続ける。
そんな状況のフェイトに、エリオとキャロが伝えた想いと言葉は…
絵コンテ：長尾粛　演出：笹木史郎　作画監督：佐藤天昭

Episode 24 - Lightning

At Ground Forces HQ, the former close friends Zest and Regius finally encounter one another again. Fighting within the sadness, Caro and Elio convey their earnest feelings before Lutecia and her obedient Garyuu. Inside Scaglietti's hideout, Fate continues fighting a difficult battle even though Zanber is broken. Like in Fate's situation, the feelings and words conveyed by Elio and Caro...

第25話「ファイナル･リミット」
地上と空での戦いが続く中、重傷を負い疲労しながらも駆動路破壊に向かうヴィータ。
玉座の間で、玉座を守る生体兵器きとして覚醒し、襲い来るヴィヴィオを救助しようとする
なのは。そして最後に残った戦闘機人として、聖王のゆりかごを飛ばし続けるクアットロ。
止まらない運命と戦いの中、なのははブラスターモードを全開放する。
絵コンテ：草川啓造・まついひとゆき　演出：古川政美　作画監督：橋本貴吉

Episode 25 - Final Limit

While battles continue on the ground and in the sky, Vita drives onward despite exhaustion caused by her serious injuries. In the throne room, Nanoha attempts to save Vivio who has awakened as a living weapon to defend the throne. As the final remaining Combat Cyborg, Quattro continues to fly the Cradle of the Saints. Fighting against unstoppable destiny, Nanoha unleashes the full power of Blaster Mode.

第26話「約束の空へ」
聖王のゆりかごと地上での決戦を経て、「レリック事件」から端を発した「ジェイル・スカリ
エッテイ事件」は終わりを告げる。逮捕されたスカリエッティやナンバーズたち、保護された
ルーテシアとアギト。平和を取り戻した世界で静かに過ぎてゆく時間の中、それぞれの
視点で事件を思う一同。そして、機動六課はその役目と運用期間を無事に終えることと
なり…
絵コンテ・演出：吉田泰三　作画監督：小森篤

Episode 26 - To the Promised Sky

With the decisive battles in the Cradle of the Saints and on the ground over, the "Relic Incident" and the "Jail Scaglietti Incident" that originated from it are brought to an end. Scaglietti and the Numbers are arrested, and Lutecia and Agito are given shelter. In the newly peaceful world, everyone thinks of their own opinions on the incidents. And then, Sixth Division finish their duties and employment period safely...

Spoiler for epsiode 23-26:

Hmm, that didn't go over everything, but the way it ended isn't too surprising. Episode 25 is sounding pretty cool. Vivio turned into a "living weapon" to defend her throne against Nanoha? Oh the drama...