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demino_hellsin · 2012-04-23, 06:15

The idea was that the technology is so simplistic it's not even worth keeping secret. Other than being basic model, the condition of getting it to be shipped for up-close testing was for said new model to have a mock battle with the mass produced unit favored by the requesting country.

It's a way to show off strength and at the same time not really show anything worth seeing. Also, it's planned to be something that would be sold worldwide to be a competitor against the top 3 most used IS in the world.

I had an idea that eventually, the Chinese government would send this model to ISA with its test pilot, a freshly drafted rep candidate. But she's by no means weak... she was only drafted as one because it would lessen the complications of having a personal unit... despite that unit being a mass-produced model.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-04-23, 07:02

But if it's open source, everyone could copy AND refine that technology because patent don't apply....

demino_hellsin · 2012-04-23, 07:18

The most innovative tech the thing has is shield condensers... not really something that's cutting edge or anything

Think of it like MS word and Open Office. One is closed pay to use service, the other is freeware. Each one has the same function and no real innovation, however there are still minute differences that draw different people to either product.

Basically they took a mech design that should have been obvious and made it real. The mechanism is simplistic so it didn't really cost a lot and if anyone wanted to copy and refine said tech, it wouldn't be any skin off their nose.

Eratas123 · 2012-04-23, 07:34

IS tech vs Supernatural abilites: Who would win?

demino_hellsin · 2012-04-23, 07:53

I asked that question before... the answer I got was "depends on who."

:|

ZeroXSEED · 2012-04-23, 07:55

More like "Depends on what kind of supernatural power"

Buffy vampires/demons are pretty squishy, you need something out of Hellsing JUST so you can survive (with tiny chance even)

On the other hand, magical, intangible creatures out of classic myth will PWN i.S. like there's no tomorrow.

demino_hellsin · 2012-04-23, 07:59

Or just take badass normals from Nasuverse. They will suffice.

StratoSpear · 2012-04-23, 08:08

The tourney that took place in the anime is an inter-class one, right? How come they had classmates going up against each other as well?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-04-23, 08:10

^ Nope, it was supposed to be individual tournament but changed to 2-woman team battle.

Eratas123 · 2012-04-23, 08:13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibOkPx_Ej30

I can just see this in IS.

StratoSpear · 2012-04-23, 08:14

In that case, I'm very impressed by how other classes decides to participate anyway, knowing well that they'll eventually be going up against one of the Personal IS pilots.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-04-23, 08:15

Indeed the training and experience will be at different level, but the difference between I.S. is not that bad.

demino_hellsin · 2012-04-23, 08:16

increasing shield density to the point of weaponization isn't too out there right?

@zero: Actually it is, because the non-personals are still at factory settings... or at least as tuned to the pilot as possible. Personal IS pilots have first shift which means the machines are tuned specifically to them. Though another thing is it's 2nd gen vs 3rd gen.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-04-23, 08:17

That's how Yukihira work.

Because Absolute defense > normal barrier, it pass through like paper.

As for the I.S., remember than 2nd Gen lack the fatal flaw of Gen-3.... though I can't argue anything about Uchigane, it was nerfed on purpose after all (Trading speed and offense for defense and stability/ease of use)

Eratas123 · 2012-04-23, 08:19

Well, I'm going to sleep.

demino_hellsin · 2012-04-23, 08:21

@zero: that's canon iteration?

StratoSpear · 2012-04-23, 08:21

Because it's Houki :3

I kid, I see your point. Tourney's a go then.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-04-23, 08:28

@ Demi
Yes, it is.

Quote:

That's right, Houki appeared in front of Cecilia and me, wearing the 'Uchigane' IS, deploying it.

Among IS that are locally produced, the Uchigane is a highly-rated 2nd generation frame. As it is a defensive model that focuses on stability, it's easy for beginners to use it, thus many countries, even this IS Academy, use it as a training model, so they're very common...all this comes from the textbook.

Uchigane lack shoulder/back mounted booster required for aerial maneuver, instead have skirt-mounted booster for hovering, and it's a bottom heavy design, a strict no-no for aerial mecha.

It's severely under-armed, only having single physical blade.

So we have a melee oriented I.S. that also lack the necessary mobility to get close, with everyone else being a glass ninja (high speed high attack) it's really a futile effort to use it offensively... which Houki did. In a team battle, Uchigane should be a tanker unit protecting a slow-artillery type like upgraded Schwarzer Regen.

demino_hellsin · 2012-04-23, 08:31

I meant the yukihira -_-"

=))

ZeroXSEED · 2012-04-23, 08:34

All we have is "Yukihira use shield energy", so I always assumed it was using barrier coating rather than barrier nullifier (Manga version support this). Absolute Defense also unusable, which become my basis of my theory.

I can be wrong about this one though.

2012-04-23, 07:02	Link #29842
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	But if it's open source, everyone could copy AND refine that technology because patent don't apply.... __________________

2012-04-23, 07:18	Link #29843
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	The most innovative tech the thing has is shield condensers... not really something that's cutting edge or anything Think of it like MS word and Open Office. One is closed pay to use service, the other is freeware. Each one has the same function and no real innovation, however there are still minute differences that draw different people to either product. Basically they took a mech design that should have been obvious and made it real. The mechanism is simplistic so it didn't really cost a lot and if anyone wanted to copy and refine said tech, it wouldn't be any skin off their nose. Last edited by demino_hellsin; 2012-04-23 at 07:30.

2012-04-23, 07:34	Link #29844
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	IS tech vs Supernatural abilites: Who would win? __________________

2012-04-23, 07:55	Link #29846
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	More like "Depends on what kind of supernatural power" Buffy vampires/demons are pretty squishy, you need something out of Hellsing JUST so you can survive (with tiny chance even) On the other hand, magical, intangible creatures out of classic myth will PWN i.S. like there's no tomorrow. __________________

2012-04-23, 08:08	Link #29848
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	The tourney that took place in the anime is an inter-class one, right? How come they had classmates going up against each other as well? __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2012-04-23, 06:15	Link #29841
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	The idea was that the technology is so simplistic it's not even worth keeping secret. Other than being basic model, the condition of getting it to be shipped for up-close testing was for said new model to have a mock battle with the mass produced unit favored by the requesting country. It's a way to show off strength and at the same time not really show anything worth seeing. Also, it's planned to be something that would be sold worldwide to be a competitor against the top 3 most used IS in the world. I had an idea that eventually, the Chinese government would send this model to ISA with its test pilot, a freshly drafted rep candidate. But she's by no means weak... she was only drafted as one because it would lessen the complications of having a personal unit... despite that unit being a mass-produced model.

2012-04-23, 07:53	Link #29845
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	I asked that question before... the answer I got was "depends on who." :\|

2012-04-23, 07:59	Link #29847
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Or just take badass normals from Nasuverse. They will suffice.

2012-04-23, 08:10	Link #29849
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	^ Nope, it was supposed to be individual tournament but changed to 2-woman team battle. __________________

2012-04-23, 08:13	Link #29850
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibOkPx_Ej30 I can just see this in IS. __________________

2012-04-23, 08:14	Link #29851
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	In that case, I'm very impressed by how other classes decides to participate anyway, knowing well that they'll eventually be going up against one of the Personal IS pilots. __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2012-04-23, 08:15	Link #29852
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Indeed the training and experience will be at different level, but the difference between I.S. is not that bad. __________________

2012-04-23, 08:16	Link #29853
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	increasing shield density to the point of weaponization isn't too out there right? @zero: Actually it is, because the non-personals are still at factory settings... or at least as tuned to the pilot as possible. Personal IS pilots have first shift which means the machines are tuned specifically to them. Though another thing is it's 2nd gen vs 3rd gen.

2012-04-23, 08:17	Link #29854
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	That's how Yukihira work. Because Absolute defense > normal barrier, it pass through like paper. As for the I.S., remember than 2nd Gen lack the fatal flaw of Gen-3.... though I can't argue anything about Uchigane, it was nerfed on purpose after all (Trading speed and offense for defense and stability/ease of use) __________________

2012-04-23, 08:19	Link #29855
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Well, I'm going to sleep. __________________

2012-04-23, 08:21	Link #29856
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	@zero: that's canon iteration?

2012-04-23, 08:21	Link #29857
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	Because it's Houki :3 I kid, I see your point. Tourney's a go then. __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2012-04-23, 08:31	Link #29859
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	I meant the yukihira -_-" =))

2012-04-23, 08:34	Link #29860
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	All we have is "Yukihira use shield energy", so I always assumed it was using barrier coating rather than barrier nullifier (Manga version support this). Absolute Defense also unusable, which become my basis of my theory. I can be wrong about this one though. __________________