Death Note Episode 3 Discussion / Poll

[Nightengale]

I see.

But I don't think your interpration is neccesarily correct either. If they're potraying the symbiance of blue vs red in the traditional Japanese concept of kabukis, it really feels disjointed with the rest of the OP which utilized the more substancial bright imagery + shady/blurry tones and the western artistic sense (( Creation of Adam...Petia )) to reflect the unexistance of black and white in the moral sense of issues, but rather just the power which dictates what is right and wrong. Besides, unlike the clear colours of black vs white, red vs blue can very well be interpreted in other subcultures as well, such as the use of blue and red traditionally in war simulations.

[Codex]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

... rest of the OP which utilized the more substancial bright imagery + shady/blurry tones and the western artistic sense (( Creation of Adam...Petia )) to reflect the unexistance of black and white in the moral sense of issues, but rather just the power which dictates what is right and wrong.

Hmm, I'm not sure I correctly understand what you're saying ... I don't think the use of religious imagery is necessarily any suggestion of right or wrong. The creation mural reflects the temptation of man (Light), while the final scene shows a benevolent-looking Light in front of an Ascension/Resurrection of Christ-like or other angelic image, reflecting Light's aspirations to godhood.

Now the Pieta scene ... that's really interesting. I had assumed that the person lying horizontally might be Light in place of Christ, if it were meant to reflect his megalomania, even though it seemed like the one facing the screen looked more like him. However, the third episode OP suddenly shows the seated person's face clearly, and it seems that it is Light in Mary's position after all. And the person lying across his arms ...

Spoiler for Episode 3:

looks like the man stalking Light. Their coats are the same colour. Pietas are the depiction of Mary grieving over the corpse of Christ ... I'm starting to feel sorry for that man

Originally Posted by Nightengale

Besides, unlike the clear colours of black vs white, red vs blue can very well be interpreted in other subcultures as well, such as the use of blue and red traditionally in war simulations.

If I had to see the colours as symbolic, I would say that red and blue were used here to depict opposites, the same way it is generally used in most anime. Red is fire -- emotion, passion, and raw power; blue is water/ice -- logic, calm, detachment, control. They are incompatible, and each other's antithesis. Light has the burning desire to remake the world in the form of his imagined ideal, while L is simply trying to stop him.

Likewise, main characters in anime are often associated with red/fire because their passion is the most important characteristic. You can lump them all together, but in general, you can say that main characters (not necessarily all, but many enough) are often those that are striving to change the status quo. Their passion is why they're main characters in the first place, I guess, since you wouldn't have a story if things simply continued the way they always did before they burst on to the scene.

And as a follow-up to that, at the risk of taking symbolism just a bit too far, the new red tinge to the scene with the policemen ...

Spoiler for Episode 3:

may be underlining how they are being played by Light and falling under his sway.

[aohige]

Yes, Blue and Red can mean only one thing....
1P and 2P of course. With the exception of certain plumber brothers.
It means they have the same attributes, same power-ups, and same speed...
just a slightly diffrent sprite and of course, the color.

[Li Jianliang]

Oh, so it wasn't just me who thought the OP sequence for episode 3 suddenly looked a little brighter/clearer? ^^;;

Well, too bad that the animation quality for this episode dropped slightly. There wasn't much in terms of actions, either... I'd personally like to see Light kill off the obligatory top 10 criminals of week at the beginning of each episode just to start things off. XD

[Nightengale]

^

There was something amissly disjointed about how I phrased my words on the religious imagery context. My stagnant point was more of a reference to the idea that blue vs red in the kabuki context that solely refers to Light vs L in the OP feels out of place with the traditional generic use of black/white/gray in undertoned shades that don't reflect the standard idealogism of simple black vs white in reference to who is good and who is evil in the story context of Death Note. The religious imagery plays a different story context than the good and evil part, though I still found the Creation of Adam's DN potrayal with Light and Ryuk somewhat funny and ironic in a different context.

LOL at aohige-dono's Double Dragon referencing. Honestly, the first thing that came into my mind the second the colour of blue and red appeared was the sentai references.

I think we need a thread solely of OP symbolism/references.

[Srin Tuar]

Hrm, a nice episode

Spoiler for ep3:

I'm glad it got back onto a believable track. The whole thing about L giving away so much information to his quarry was a bit disturbing, I cannot imagine anyone giving that much information away by spiling their guts on live TV. He should have simply pretended that he actually died there, and maybe Raito would have forgotten the whole thing. Instead, by dumbly threatening to find him, he risked that a smarter Raito could have simply decided things were getting too hot and taken a 3 year hiatus, the investigation would have been down the drain at that point. Also, they seem only to be focussed on heart failure, but he is free to write down any sort of death he wants, perhaps mixing them up to confuse the investigation. (Lol, I wonder why he doest write down supernatural deaths, such as 神隠し, or vampire bites, etc really test out the death note's power hehe)

If its power he wants, he could go after politicians he doesnt agree with or something. Far fewer names to write, and far more bang for the buck.

Raito just seems dumb and unimaginitive to me. Especially for wanting to kill the investigator on his tail. There is almost no more sure fire way to get caught than that. (gee, only one investigator died, shortly after tailing one of our 140 odd prime suspects... hrm, coincidence much ?)

I really liked the temptation scene at the end. I dont know what Ryuku has to gain from getting some of raito's lifespan, but he certainly seems interested in selling shinigami-vision.... It seems Raito is norinori, so cheers to half his life span

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Li Jianliang

Oh, so it wasn't just me who thought the OP sequence for episode 3 suddenly looked a little brighter/clearer? ^^;;

Yeah, i noticed it a lil' bit.. probably 'cause i read it on here before watching the episode.

Episode 03 went as smoothly as the first two, not going to fast with the story teling which is a good sign when thinking about just how long the anime plans to last. Ryuk talk about the Shinigami eyes was also one of my fav' scenes from the manga.. and i'm glad yet again the anime was able to show even more of the stories true dark nature with it. Light's evil smile was seriously one for the record books. :3

As for next episode..

Spoiler:

Time for Light to go on a lil' date, shall be good to see how they handle the bus journey and to hear what BGM's they'll add.

[Codex]

Originally Posted by Srin Tuar

Hrm, a nice episode

Spoiler for ep3:

I'm glad it got back onto a believable track. The whole thing about L giving away so much information to his quarry was a bit disturbing, I cannot imagine anyone giving that much information away by spiling their guts on live TV. He should have simply pretended that he actually did there, and maybe Raito would have forgotten the whole thing. Instead, by dumbly threatening to find him, he risked that a smarter Raito could have simply decided things were getting too hot and taken a 3 year hiatus, the investigation would have been down the drain at that point. Also, they seem only to be focussed on heart failure, but he is free to write down any sort of death he wants, perhaps mixing them up to confuse the investigation. (Lol, I wonder why he doest write down supernatural deaths, such as 神隠し, or vampire bites, etc really test out the death note's power hehe)

Spoiler for Episode 3:

I agree that both of them are making some rather risky and illogical moves (without which, there may be no story, sadly). However, I guess we can sort of wave away the questions by convincing ourselves that this is just the nature of genius. L probably takes pride in his investigative ability and couldn't resist the opportunity to gloat a bit at his prey - not unlike Light flaunting his own power in that scene. Furthermore, it is often the case that people in panic make more mistakes, so L may have been trying to get Light to act rashly. Both are also deriving a sense of challenge from this.

Also, my understanding is that his choice of death is deliberate. Light wants people to connect the killings and realise that someone is passing judgement. He wants to become "god".

[ShikaShika]

Not as exciting as the first episodes, but that's because it simply lacked that one awsome scene the other two had. It was still stellar overall imo.

[Deathkillz]

yep animation was down this ep...especially on ryuk...
the story is starting to find a slower pace but i hope it picks up next ep...
i cnt get enough of the OP/Ed song >.< loved the way light throws that apple to ryuk in the end song ^__^ cool as hell imo

[Pepperidge]

So, what point in the manga does this episode cover up to?

[Rurik]

Originally Posted by Srin Tuar

. (Lol, I wonder why he doest write down supernatural deaths, such as 神隠し, or vampire bites, etc really test out the death note's power hehe)

Spoiler:

The Rules of Death Note Deaths are govern by Natular laws, ERGO, if Vampires or any other supernatural being does not exist in the Death Note universe, those people would not die because of this type of deaths.

if Im not mistaken when Light writes an Imposible or improbable type of death, The person ends up dying of a Heart Attack. The Vampire example is something simlar to wirte a death of a Guy in Paris while his location is in USA-

[Dark`]

Originally Posted by Pepperidge

So, what point in the manga does this episode cover up to?

I've yet to watch the raw, but based on what I saw from dxgarten, it more or less covers chapter 4 to chapter 6. But one thing was shifted in terms of the course of events when going from the manga to the anime.

The course of events went like:

- L gets Light to kill Lind L. Tailor
- Those in the Shinigami realm wonder where Ryuk is and what he's up to
- Sayu asks for help with homework
- Light's father comes home for dinner
- Light makes his special drawer

After that the manga syncs up with the rest of episode 3. I omitted certain things because they were minor points (like Sayu finding a "dirty" magazine in Light's room, which he had for the articles on L vs Kira). The only major change is that Light made his hidden drawer compartment thing earlier in the anime compared to the manga.

[ShikaShika]

Originally Posted by Dark`

I've yet to watch the raw, but based on what I saw from dxgarten, it more or less covers chapter 4 to chapter 6. But one thing was shifted in terms of the course of events when going from the manga to the anime.

I've flipped through the manga after having seen the raw and I'm pretty sure the episode concludes with chapter 5.

[Dark`]

Originally Posted by ShikaShika

I've flipped through the manga after having seen the raw and I'm pretty sure the episode concludes with chapter 5.

Sorry, my wording was off. I meant that it covered up to the start of chapter 6...which in other words means the end of chapter 5. That's what I meant to say, but you're right, my choice of words was a bit misleading.

[Itachikun]

ToriyamaWorld released episode 3, hopefully this will help boost our recent bad comments T_T.
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[Darklightz]

Hmm,the change in animation is obvious in episode 3.Light looked a bit less mature and serious,wich is not good.

I did however like the scene where they contrasted Light's every school life with prisoners dying,as if to re-affirm how Light has no guilt or shame about killing other human beings.

[felix]

Does anyone else think that Light's "get police after L" scheme is kind of lame..

And yes L is more evil then Light.. L "sacrifices" people.. Light just kills them..

BTW Does anyone have any idea why Light's eye is gray in the opening.. isn't that suppose to mean zomby or brain-dead. (in some cases maybe blind)

[KiNA]

Originally Posted by Darklightz

I did however like the scene where they contrasted Light's every school life with prisoners dying,as if to re-affirm how Light has no guilt or shame about killing other human beings.

I thought it was just to proves his alibi ....

Spoiler:

Which should be explained sometime next episode .. I hope/think =x .. I kinda forgot details for the earlier chapters.

Spoiler for from the movie:

The movie explained it .. because Raito killing pattern was distinguished during certain time.

[Shabazza]

Originally Posted by Codex

Likewise, main characters in anime are often associated with red/fire because their passion is the most important characteristic. You can lump them all together, but in general, you can say that main characters (not necessarily all, but many enough) are often those that are striving to change the status quo. Their passion is why they're main characters in the first place, I guess, since you wouldn't have a story if things simply continued the way they always did before they burst on to the scene.

That scheme remembers me of the german literary movement "Sturm und Drang" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturm_und_Drang) vs "Aufklärung" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aufkl%C3%A4rung).