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Genei Killua · 2004-09-12, 02:12

Of course, one of the disadvantages to being the strongest clan in Konoha is that all the top jounins are much more likely to analyze your techniques and try to find a way to counter them. Afterall, neither an Uchiha or a Hyuuga was ever Kage, so we can assume there are many ways to defeat them. It could be that Kakashi knows their main weaknesses, one of which is not Neji specific, UserName (at least I think not.)

yinstro · 2004-09-12, 02:24

we know little nothing of hiashi's abilities, how can we say who will win?

BrownRukus · 2004-09-12, 02:40

well, the sharigan all u have to do is not look at the eyes

Genei Killua · 2004-09-12, 02:44

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Originally Posted by BrownRukus

well, the sharigan all u have to do is not look at the eyes

That's only true for genjutsu and the mangekyou, and for nothing else.

BrownRukus · 2004-09-12, 02:55

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Originally Posted by Genei Killua

That's only true for genjutsu and the mangekyou, and for nothing else.

oo my bad, but how can the sharigan help Kakashi fight Hiashi, he can't copy the hakke or Kaiten..

neji-kun · 2004-09-12, 05:26

the sharingan wouldnt help much in this fight against hiashi because it doesnt ccopy bloodline limits, it would help him see his movemenst though, the one thing i dont understand why people overate kakashi so much they try to make him seem invincible.

HoboGod · 2004-09-12, 06:58

This is hard to say considering kakashi obviously hides his true ability. Even against a ninja as dangerous as zabuza, he didn't make his move until he feared naruto's seal might break, releasing kyuubi.

If i had to put money on it, i'd bet Kakashi because it would be funner. If i had to make an educated guess, i'd probably say Hiashi tho.... Kakashi seems like he might be a great ninja, but hiashi is the leader of the leaf village's oldest clan. Too much is still unknown about kakashi's past other than he was trained by the 4th.

hokagenaruto3 · 2004-09-12, 07:01

But being the oldest clan also mean having a lot of secret jutsu. We've only seen genin-rank Hyuuga Jutsu. I just KNOW Hiashi has a lot of Hyuuga-specific jutsu.
Maybe attack one's tenketsu at range with chakra.

Edit: The Hyuuga HAVE to have something similar to Ameterasu or Mangekyou

Inuzuka · 2004-09-12, 08:46

Another 'X Versus Y' thread...
Well,chances are Kakashi would win.This is based on the fact that he's more infamous in the Anime/Manga,as compared to Hiashi.

Spoiler for :topicoff::

Shay · 2004-09-12, 09:07

I voted for Kakashi but thinking about It I simply don't know.

I haven't seen enough of Hiashi yet.

lotus_lee · 2004-09-12, 10:09

Well, from what I have seen so far, I would say Kakashi is the better bet. The only thing we have seen from Hiashi is his super Kaiten. I don't think he is as strong as Neji though because if I remember correctly, he was surprised at how Neji was able to handle the Kaiten and 64 thingy easily without losing too much chakra or something like that. But I think I will need to see more of Hiashi before I can make a better judgement.

hokagenaruto3 · 2004-09-12, 10:14

Lotus Lee he was surprised at how young neji was to be able to use those Hyuuga-specific jutsu and that Neji tought it to himself, without a proper teacher.
Hiashi is still leader of Hyuuga, the oldest clan.
After all these years, the Hyuuga MUST have something equal in power to Mangekyou or Ameterasu.

Hunter · 2004-09-12, 10:27

I would say Kakashi, not for a question of strength because we barely know anything about Hiashi but because of their experiences.

Hiashi isn't a jounin even if he's jounin level, as the head of the Hyuga he rules his clan from Konoha, he doesn't go outside to accomplish mission, it's the duty of the Branch Family members who can die outside Konoha because of their cursed seal which keep their abilities secret when they're killed.

So Hiashi doesn't have the same experience of the battlefield than Kakashi and I think it can make the difference.

Also if Kakashi can keep up against Gai who is probably the best Taijutsu specialist of the whole show I think he can dealt with the Taijutsu skills of Hiashi.

Remain the unknown jutsus of Kakashi and Hiashi but as they're unknown there isn't much to say about it ^^

And hokagenaruto3 no there is absolutely no reason for that, not that it's impossible, just not particulary probable.

ninja massacre · 2004-09-12, 10:30

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Originally Posted by Bflip

If I was Kakashi and I saw Itachi hurting my friends, I'd run my ass away and pray. Kakashi seriously has guts.

LOL, I guess it has to do with honor

skillosopher · 2004-09-12, 10:54

i voted "not sure."

kakakshi only has one good eye, and hisashi has two. kakashi himself admited that the byakugan might have a slight advantage, but who knows what he really meant. he could have meant that some things you can see with the byakugan you cant see with the sharingan (obviously).

we just dont know enough about hisashi for me to make a sound judgment. the fight could end with total domination, or a great even battle, i have no clue.

kakashi was trained by the 4th, is konoha's technique specialist (not the strongest jounin, like said earlier), knows 1000+ jitsus, has the chidori, and has one sharingan eye.

hisashi, all weve seen him do is kill an intruder with one strike to the chest, and waste several weak sand/sound nin with the kaiten. we can assume that he knows the 64 hand strike, and can prolly use the byakugan better then neji.

though, if it came down to taijitsu alone, kakashi would be owned. for this reason, gai versus hisashi would also be cool.

IMO this would be an even, great battle with an unexpected outcome.

kwanseemun · 2004-09-12, 11:24

IMO, hiashi would win cuz kakashi doesn't have the ultimate sharingan bloodline limit and hiashi does...but its a good point that kakashi has more experience but hiashi still does fight in wars and stuff

eccentric · 2004-09-12, 11:49

Hiashi would win. The sharigan is no match for the byakugan.

AngelKyo · 2004-09-12, 13:30

Like i said before Gai would beat both of them, he would beat kakashi cause hes in the lead in their fights, (50-49), and he would beat hiashi, because i plain dont like him

BrownRukus · 2004-09-12, 14:04

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Originally Posted by AngelKyo

Like i said before Gai would beat both of them, he would beat kakashi cause hes in the lead in their fights, (50-49), and he would beat hiashi, because i plain dont like him

not like Hiashi, u've only a seen in about max 5-10 frames.

Veritas · 2004-09-12, 15:08

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Originally Posted by Genei Killua

Also, there's always the

Spoiler:

Which would probably be easy for the sharingan to pick up with its analytical abilities.

Maybe, but the

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However, Kakashi could do the Shinjuu Zanshuu no Jutsu and pull Hiashi into the ground. Though the Byakugan can probably see through dirt.

So I dunno. If Hiashi was having a good day, he would win. If Kakashi was also having a good day, he would win.

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2004-09-12, 08:46	Link #29
Inuzuka now with 20% more ego! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Singapore Age: 33	Another 'X Versus Y' thread... Well,chances are Kakashi would win.This is based on the fact that he's more infamous in the Anime/Manga,as compared to Hiashi. Spoiler for :topicoff:: Secondly we could compare the facts(Stamina,Strength,Speed etc),but there's only that far the facts can take us.This would thus result in a chain of endless arguements involving posters who are so deeply-rooted in their belifs and thus,not listen to others and continue to find reasons/facts to expoilt weakness's in the opposition's argument.The latter would then continue this endless chain.

2004-09-12, 09:07	Link #30
Shay Monarch Programmer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Liverpool Age: 42	I voted for Kakashi but thinking about It I simply don't know. I haven't seen enough of Hiashi yet. __________________ Current Anime - Attack on Titan Current Manga - Naruto Current Book - Waiting for War of the Roses Current Album - Vessel by Twenty One Pilots

2004-09-12, 02:12	Link #21
Genei Killua Mashou no Tenshi Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH Age: 39	Of course, one of the disadvantages to being the strongest clan in Konoha is that all the top jounins are much more likely to analyze your techniques and try to find a way to counter them. Afterall, neither an Uchiha or a Hyuuga was ever Kage, so we can assume there are many ways to defeat them. It could be that Kakashi knows their main weaknesses, one of which is not Neji specific, UserName (at least I think not.)

2004-09-12, 02:24	Link #22
yinstro Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004	we know little nothing of hiashi's abilities, how can we say who will win?

2004-09-12, 02:40	Link #23
BrownRukus Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: East Coast Age: 38	well, the sharigan all u have to do is not look at the eyes

2004-09-12, 05:26	Link #26
neji-kun Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004	the sharingan wouldnt help much in this fight against hiashi because it doesnt ccopy bloodline limits, it would help him see his movemenst though, the one thing i dont understand why people overate kakashi so much they try to make him seem invincible.

2004-09-12, 06:58	Link #27
HoboGod Necromancer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cardboard Box Age: 38	This is hard to say considering kakashi obviously hides his true ability. Even against a ninja as dangerous as zabuza, he didn't make his move until he feared naruto's seal might break, releasing kyuubi. If i had to put money on it, i'd bet Kakashi because it would be funner. If i had to make an educated guess, i'd probably say Hiashi tho.... Kakashi seems like he might be a great ninja, but hiashi is the leader of the leaf village's oldest clan. Too much is still unknown about kakashi's past other than he was trained by the 4th.

2004-09-12, 07:01	Link #28
hokagenaruto3 Crescent & Star Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Amsterdam Age: 37	But being the oldest clan also mean having a lot of secret jutsu. We've only seen genin-rank Hyuuga Jutsu. I just KNOW Hiashi has a lot of Hyuuga-specific jutsu. Maybe attack one's tenketsu at range with chakra. Edit: The Hyuuga HAVE to have something similar to Ameterasu or Mangekyou

2004-09-12, 10:09	Link #31
lotus_lee Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: London, UK Age: 38	Well, from what I have seen so far, I would say Kakashi is the better bet. The only thing we have seen from Hiashi is his super Kaiten. I don't think he is as strong as Neji though because if I remember correctly, he was surprised at how Neji was able to handle the Kaiten and 64 thingy easily without losing too much chakra or something like that. But I think I will need to see more of Hiashi before I can make a better judgement.

2004-09-12, 10:14	Link #32
hokagenaruto3 Crescent & Star Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Amsterdam Age: 37	Lotus Lee he was surprised at how young neji was to be able to use those Hyuuga-specific jutsu and that Neji tought it to himself, without a proper teacher. Hiashi is still leader of Hyuuga, the oldest clan. After all these years, the Hyuuga MUST have something equal in power to Mangekyou or Ameterasu.

2004-09-12, 10:27	Link #33
Hunter Bubbly and super fun Join Date: May 2003 Location: Doesn't look like Kansas	I would say Kakashi, not for a question of strength because we barely know anything about Hiashi but because of their experiences. Hiashi isn't a jounin even if he's jounin level, as the head of the Hyuga he rules his clan from Konoha, he doesn't go outside to accomplish mission, it's the duty of the Branch Family members who can die outside Konoha because of their cursed seal which keep their abilities secret when they're killed. So Hiashi doesn't have the same experience of the battlefield than Kakashi and I think it can make the difference. Also if Kakashi can keep up against Gai who is probably the best Taijutsu specialist of the whole show I think he can dealt with the Taijutsu skills of Hiashi. Remain the unknown jutsus of Kakashi and Hiashi but as they're unknown there isn't much to say about it ^^ And hokagenaruto3 no there is absolutely no reason for that, not that it's impossible, just not particulary probable.

2004-09-12, 10:54	Link #35
skillosopher Dr. J Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SD Age: 38	i voted "not sure." kakakshi only has one good eye, and hisashi has two. kakashi himself admited that the byakugan might have a slight advantage, but who knows what he really meant. he could have meant that some things you can see with the byakugan you cant see with the sharingan (obviously). we just dont know enough about hisashi for me to make a sound judgment. the fight could end with total domination, or a great even battle, i have no clue. kakashi was trained by the 4th, is konoha's technique specialist (not the strongest jounin, like said earlier), knows 1000+ jitsus, has the chidori, and has one sharingan eye. hisashi, all weve seen him do is kill an intruder with one strike to the chest, and waste several weak sand/sound nin with the kaiten. we can assume that he knows the 64 hand strike, and can prolly use the byakugan better then neji. though, if it came down to taijitsu alone, kakashi would be owned. for this reason, gai versus hisashi would also be cool. IMO this would be an even, great battle with an unexpected outcome.

2004-09-12, 11:24	Link #36
kwanseemun Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada :D	IMO, hiashi would win cuz kakashi doesn't have the ultimate sharingan bloodline limit and hiashi does...but its a good point that kakashi has more experience but hiashi still does fight in wars and stuff

2004-09-12, 11:49	Link #37
eccentric Just plain eccentric. Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Konoha	Hiashi would win. The sharigan is no match for the byakugan.

2004-09-12, 13:30	Link #38
AngelKyo Shizune is numba#1 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: A World of my own Age: 34	Like i said before Gai would beat both of them, he would beat kakashi cause hes in the lead in their fights, (50-49), and he would beat hiashi, because i plain dont like him