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And because those doors can not be opened by their own keys or master keys I doubt any special keys that can open any door exists. Edit// Aww either I'm slow at typing or people here are just really fast at replying
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2009-11-03, 19:35 | Link #2842 |
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Just something to ponder. There is a lot of red of those keys. It just strikes me as strange that Kinzo wouldn't have a master key of his own. Not that he needs one, just that he seems the type that would want to have control in his own home, and thus be able to go anywhere he needs or wants without having to call a servant.
Of course there is the question about just how much about Kinzo do we really know? Some of the stuff we get could easily be a lie...since he's dead. Most of what we get is via people who either know he's dead, or people that should know he's dead. (anyone that goes to his room, enters it, then leaves claiming to have talked to him during October 5th, 1986, is certainly lying...or delusional).
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2009-11-03, 19:39 | Link #2843 | ||
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2009-11-03, 19:57 | Link #2844 | |
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2009-11-03, 20:00 | Link #2845 |
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I'm inclined to believe very little of what we have seen of Kinzo is the "real" Kinzo. Everyone is remembering him through the lens of their own experiences. There are probably a few things about him which are likely true. He was almost certainly a hard, uncompromising man. Probably ruthless and certainly very savvy. His knack for business is obvious in his success. His tendency to take risks probably follows from that. His tenderness or obsession toward Beatrice is suspect, but I suspect he did have some sort of close, passionate relationship to someone named Beatrice, and possibly to another person we know of as the Beatrice of 1967. However, I'm not certain it was an obsessive, moody, wailing romantic longing. There's no telling what it was.
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2009-11-03, 20:04 | Link #2846 | |
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2009-11-03, 20:09 | Link #2848 | |
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Otherwise what reason is there for the epitaph to exist in the first place? Unless Kinzo just enjoys dicking around with people. |
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2009-11-03, 20:18 | Link #2849 | ||
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at the start of Episode1, Nanjo says to Kinzo that he only has 3 months to live. In Episode5, after Kinzo died, everyone says that Kinzo's death was sudden and unexpected. There is a blatant contradiction. There are different possibilities: 1) The scene in Episode1 is fake 2) The scene in Episode5 is fake 3) Both are true, but Nanjo is lying. He kept Kinzo's situation secret and then he told everyone that Kinzo's death was unexpected. My favorite is the third option, however I don't know why Kinzo didn't want his family to know he was dying, and why Nanjo needs to keep the secret.
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2009-11-03, 23:15 | Link #2850 |
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It would be in character for Kinzo to keep that a secret, at least if what we've been shown of him is somewhat accurate. He doesn't like making anything easy on his kids, and he doesn't want them picking at him like vultures when he's not yet dead. Finding out he's out of time and telling Nanjo not to inform anyone else might not be out of character for him. Or maybe he thought he'd take his chances, risk that Nanjo was wrong, and try to stay alive by sheer force of will.
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2009-11-03, 23:29 | Link #2851 |
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That all said...there should be enough information to solve the mystery already. I'm wondering if those reading the translated versions can actually solve it, or if the who, how, and why, comes from subtile word play or things that one might not get if not Japanese?
Though in some regards...this is very much like a Classical Mystery novel...so if things aren't based on some clever word play or something that can be translated incorrectly...the answer should be there.
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2009-11-04, 00:04 | Link #2852 |
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I've been trying to look back on Higurashi to think of when the earliest possible time for solving everything was. There might have been enough information to come up with a theory that correctly guesses "who" and "how" in the very first arc but "why" couldn't be fully explained until much later on.
I think it's the same with Umineko. Right now many people probably have theories that correctly answer all the "who" and "how".
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2009-11-04, 00:21 | Link #2853 | |
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2009-11-04, 00:55 | Link #2854 | |
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That doesn't explain the Ep5 scene, but it's interesting to think about. Then why hasn't anyone? |
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2009-11-04, 01:52 | Link #2855 |
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That is a puzzlement. Supposedly there is enough information in the first four games, and the fifth game is to confirm, "yes there is enough information"...so why hasn't anyone said anything that sounds like a logical theory?
Or is it really so convoluted that the answer doesn't seem logical at all...unless you wrote it yourself.
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2009-11-04, 02:03 | Link #2857 | |
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This is the worst kind of mystery... I'm sure it will seem obvious in retrospect, but for now, who the fuck really knows anything? All this goes to show what a good writer Ryukishi really is, if no one can figure out his mystery... Relevant part bolded. >_> |
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2009-11-04, 02:09 | Link #2858 |
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In the Ryukishi interview he said the truth Battler realized was that he fully understood the "who, how, and why". This implies that all the readers should understand this by now as well. Mabye some people understand everything but I sure don't.
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2009-11-04, 02:13 | Link #2859 |
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What's the problem? If you don't like my wording, I could say they actually are logical instead, but since you apparently don't think that anyone has written a reasonable explanation (which begs to invoke a Devil's Proof), it's probably better as is.
Honestly, there's less of a problem as far as coming up with decent explanations is concerned and more of one in reducing them to a single answer. It's like being given a multiple choice exam, but several of the answers look valid despite only one being correct. |
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