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sa547 · 2011-07-10, 06:21

I picked up this show out of curiosity, in the aftermath of reading much of the AKB49 manga. After watching, I thought of what to do next, and decided to keep the first episode and wait for the next one, because I was fascinated with what's behind the scenes and to see how the girls would progress throughout as entertainers, but I also hope the producers would add a bit of reality to the plot.

Go forth, IM@S!

Suzuku · 2011-07-10, 06:49

Very creative first episode, just what I was hoping for. The introduction of the male producer has me worried, but let's hope this doesn't turn into a thinly veiled harem show.

Sheba · 2011-07-10, 10:04

On a side-note, from something I have read over Kurogane's blog.... What is Kentaro Miura's opinion over this animated adaptation? I mean, Idolm@ster IS the franchise that "corrupted" him.

Westlo · 2011-07-10, 10:08

I just found it hilarious that the original character designer for IM@S is the director of the new Berserk movies.

MrTerrorist · 2011-07-10, 11:21

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Originally Posted by Sheba

On a side-note, from something I have read over Kurogane's blog.... What is Kentaro Miura's opinion over this animated adaptation? I mean, Idolm@ster IS the franchise that "corrupted" him.

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Originally Posted by Westlo

I just found it hilarious that the original character designer for IM@S is the director of the new Berserk movies.

What a coincidence!

Kirbichu · 2011-07-10, 15:08

That was a great start, but I just don't know what they'll do for 24 episodes.

blakstealth · 2011-07-10, 16:00

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Originally Posted by Kirbichu

That was a great start, but I just don't know what they'll do for 24 episodes.

Focus on all the girls.

MrTerrorist · 2011-07-10, 19:21

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Originally Posted by blakstealth

Focus on all the girls.

And possibly rivals as well.

Unknown Soldier · 2011-07-11, 04:37

There sure are a lot of Xenoglossia haters here. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, pretty much everywhere you go, you'll find the hardcore IM@S fans and most of them hated Xenoglossia.

Xenoglossia stood on it's own as a pretty decent-to-good mecha show, especially at the end where it turned out much better than it really should have. We shouldn't ever forget that Namco-Bandai pretty much told Sunrise to make a show with Idolm@ster, it's not as if Sunrise had a choice. The parent company was anxious to cash in on IM@S, Sunrise didn't even get a say one way or the other about whether they even wanted to do the show or not. It would be the equivalent of giving K-ON to Sunrise instead of Kyoto Animation. Sunrise did what they did best, which is make a mecha show, and the rest is history. I would have loved to have been at the meeting the day that the Sunrise guys went over to the Namco side of the company to show the executives the first episode of Xenoglossia. The expressions on the executives' faces were probably priceless. I still consider Xenoglossia one of the most creative and out-there uses of a completely unrelated license that I've seen, and amazingly enough, Sunrise didn't trainwreck it to death the way they did with Code Geass (which was airing around that time), they played it completely straight and it still worked.

FWIW, I think Xenoglossia is better than Code Geass. Less trainwrecking, less overstuffing of characters on top of overstuffed casts, less ridiculous constant cliffhangers and plot twists, less fabulous. Well, okay, I liked the fabulous in Code Geass.

Keroko · 2011-07-11, 06:03

Xenoglossia made the same mistake that Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within made. They took the name of a well-known franchise, and then turned it into something that only vaguely resembled said franchise.

Had they just named it Xenoglossia, the show would have been judged on its own merits, but by using an established franchise it will inevitably be compared to said franchise by its fans. They really have nobody to blame but themselves for coming up with that idea.

Westlo · 2011-07-11, 08:09

Honestly I knew nothing about the IM@S franchise when I watched Xenoglossia and found it didn't compare well to Sunrises other mecha shows of the time, namely Geass and Zegapain. The general reception to the show itself was rather "Meh" from what I remember, was the small Eng IM@S faction of the time even much of a factor in the reception of the show? It's not like the Umineko VN readers where you couldn't get away from their whining... (And I'm one of them...)

Still to be fair to Xenoglossia it's much better than Sore Kake....

houkoholic · 2011-07-11, 09:55

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

We shouldn't ever forget that Namco-Bandai pretty much told Sunrise to make a show with Idolm@ster, it's not as if Sunrise had a choice. The parent company was anxious to cash in on IM@S, Sunrise didn't even get a say one way or the other about whether they even wanted to do the show or not. It would be the equivalent of giving K-ON to Sunrise instead of Kyoto Animation. Sunrise did what they did best, which is make a mecha show, and the rest is history. I would have loved to have been at the meeting the day that the Sunrise guys went over to the Namco side of the company to show the executives the first episode of Xenoglossia. The expressions on the executives' faces were probably priceless.

That's not true. The true story was that Sunrise already had a working story board before some idiot told them to work im@s into it. Sunrise was on a roll with the Mai-hime franchise and they were going to do something similar - fighting females but with a mecha twist. As it was Xenoglossia originally probably would have stood on its own, but working im@s into it ruined it - both for the im@s name and the Xenoglossia story board.

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FWIW, I think Xenoglossia is better than Code Geass. Less trainwrecking, less overstuffing of characters on top of overstuffed casts, less ridiculous constant cliffhangers and plot twists, less fabulous. Well, okay, I liked the fabulous in Code Geass.

Er, you have taste problems. Xenoglossia was uninspiring and was boring to watch (I remember falling asleep during the first episode), Code Geass was over the top in many ways but it pushed the envelopes in ways that mattered. Leouche is easily the most memorable anti-hero of the past decade besides Light of Death Note, and we simply don't see many anti-heros in anime, especially ones with such depth. Xenoglossia OTOH leaves behind nothing when it finished, it didn't strive to do anything and ends up achieving nothing.

MrTerrorist · 2011-07-11, 10:23

Found this on a forum.

Spoiler for size:

Westlo · 2011-07-11, 10:31

Someone needs to shop Kamina/Simon glasses onto Producer-san.

Kaioshin Sama · 2011-07-11, 12:58

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Originally Posted by Keroko

Xenoglossia made the same mistake that Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within made. They took the name of a well-known franchise, and then turned it into something that only vaguely resembled said franchise.

Had they just named it Xenoglossia, the show would have been judged on its own merits, but by using an established franchise it will inevitably be compared to said franchise by its fans. They really have nobody to blame but themselves for coming up with that idea.

Well they could blame the fans, though at this point I think they've already started to call some of the more hardcore angry fanboys out on certain things like say...everything that happened with Gundam AGE's unveiling. Anyway, it's not like there's a lack of choice as to whether to judge a show on it's own merits or not. I think it's again that bandwagon mentality that's been mentioned as opposed to any sort of any necessary feeling to bash because it defies expectations.

I think Midonin made a good point too when he said that the internets default reaction to expectations being defied is anger, much like anger is seemingly the internets default reaction to a lot of things. Doesn't need to be that way, it just is for some reason.

Me, I got pretty much exactly what I expected with this first episode (minus the overwhelming character crunch) and it was pretty.....boring...I guess I would say. Though it's really not surprising that the iDOLM@STER hardcore would prefer this since it's more true to the game franchise in a way.

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Found this on a forum.

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Not that guy again.

It seems like just yesterday I was praising the guy for trying to exercise his creative muscle and now I look at him as pretty much the whiniest bastard in the entire industry at the moment. Granted there are some grumpy whiny bastards in the industry, but most of them have done some sort of prestige work that has actually been a major critical and/or financial success. So far his major achievement his been starting the dance theme craze. I don't know...maybe if he's looking for some work they could give him the chance to choreagraph some dance sequences for this show.

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Originally Posted by Westlo

Honestly I knew nothing about the IM@S franchise when I watched Xenoglossia and found it didn't compare well to Sunrises other mecha shows of the time, namely Geass and Zegapain. The general reception to the show itself was rather "Meh" from what I remember, was the small Eng IM@S faction of the time even much of a factor in the reception of the show? It's not like the Umineko VN readers where you couldn't get away from their whining... (And I'm one of them...)

Still to be fair to Xenoglossia it's much better than Sore Kake....

Well from what I saw many people including myself were fairly bored with the first half in waiting for something to happen. Like them I actually dropped it for a period of time as a result and had to force myself to get through the first half later on. Things pick up in the second half with some decent character drama, solid action, and a pretty bitter ending though, making it somewhere between a 6 or 7 on my scale. The problem is you have a first half of the show that is I would have to agree pretty mediocre and mostly centers around giving the main cast goofy things to do with the occasional sortie to blow up some moon rocks. It kind of reminded me about the things I didn't like in Mai Hime's first half.....

Honestly though I don't see this show as much better than Xenoglossia on the not being boring factor in it's first episode, and it certainly had a lot less focus and coherent character intros than that shows opener in trying to include a bit of every single girl that's ever been in the iDOLM@STER franchise.

jcdietz03 · 2011-07-11, 19:40

Are we producer-san? Are we cameraman-san?

Wouldn't it be nice if there was some camera-magic that would allow everyone to hear what the cameraman is saying, but it wasn't recorded on tape?

EDIT: Guess I have to watch the whole first episode to answer that question, don't I?

I think I liked it better when he was voiceless.

Divini · 2011-07-11, 20:51

Sorry if this was asked before, but is this going to be an all-girl main character kind of anime a la Koihime Musou/Nanoha or...?

Not that I'd automatically be put off if it was, but I played some IM@S / read some manga and the manager/producer-idol relationship was the most interesting aspect to the story for me.

Also I picked up IM@S as a whole after the first anime came out. Is that worth watching? I was kind of put off by the synopsis... (errr idols in mecha? really?)

Sister Princess · 2011-07-11, 21:35

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Originally Posted by houkoholic

Er, you have taste problems. Xenoglossia was uninspiring and was boring to watch (I remember falling asleep during the first episode), Code Geass was over the top in many ways but it pushed the envelopes in ways that mattered. Leouche is easily the most memorable anti-hero of the past decade besides Light of Death Note, and we simply don't see many anti-heros in anime, especially ones with such depth. Xenoglossia OTOH leaves behind nothing when it finished, it didn't strive to do anything and ends up achieving nothing.

At least Xenoglossia has knife wielding androids. Which somehow survive the broadcast when 'real' Higurashi happened.

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Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Found this on a forum.

Is that Ichika with glasses? Keitaro? Yuuto from Nogizaka Haruka?

Xacual · 2011-07-11, 21:52

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Originally Posted by Divini

Sorry if this was asked before, but is this going to be an all-girl main character kind of anime a la Koihime Musou/Nanoha or...?

Not that I'd automatically be put off if it was, but I played some IM@S / read some manga and the manager/producer-idol relationship was the most interesting aspect to the story for me.

Also I picked up IM@S as a whole after the first anime came out. Is that worth watching? I was kind of put off by the synopsis... (errr idols in mecha? really?)

You probably stopped the episode at the ED didn't you? The producer shows up after them.

serenade_beta · 2011-07-11, 23:45

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Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Found this on a forum.

Spoiler for size:

Oh don't make fun of Yamakan.

He's such a great guy (comedian).

The guy more reminds me of that protagonist from Nogizaka Haruka.
Of course, not in a good meaning.

2011-07-10, 06:21	Link #161
sa547 Senior Member Author Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Philippines Age: 47	I picked up this show out of curiosity, in the aftermath of reading much of the AKB49 manga. After watching, I thought of what to do next, and decided to keep the first episode and wait for the next one, because I was fascinated with what's behind the scenes and to see how the girls would progress throughout as entertainers, but I also hope the producers would add a bit of reality to the plot. Go forth, IM@S! __________________

2011-07-10, 06:49	Link #162
Suzuku (`･⊝･´)/\(`･⊝･´) Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Jacksonville, FL Age: 30	Very creative first episode, just what I was hoping for. The introduction of the male producer has me worried, but let's hope this doesn't turn into a thinly veiled harem show. __________________ BRAVO VINCE

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MrTerrorist Takao Tsundere Cruiser Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Classified	Found this on a forum. Spoiler for size: __________________

2011-07-11, 19:40	Link #176
jcdietz03 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010	Are we producer-san? Are we cameraman-san? Wouldn't it be nice if there was some camera-magic that would allow everyone to hear what the cameraman is saying, but it wasn't recorded on tape? EDIT: Guess I have to watch the whole first episode to answer that question, don't I? I think I liked it better when he was voiceless. Last edited by jcdietz03; 2011-07-11 at 19:56.

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Sheba RUN, YOU FOOLS! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost Age: 44	On a side-note, from something I have read over Kurogane's blog.... What is Kentaro Miura's opinion over this animated adaptation? I mean, Idolm@ster IS the franchise that "corrupted" him.

2011-07-10, 10:08	Link #164
Westlo Lets be reality Join Date: May 2007	I just found it hilarious that the original character designer for IM@S is the director of the new Berserk movies.

2011-07-10, 15:08	Link #166
Kirbichu Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Atlanta, Georgia	That was a great start, but I just don't know what they'll do for 24 episodes.

2011-07-11, 04:37	Link #169
Unknown Soldier :D Join Date: May 2009	There sure are a lot of Xenoglossia haters here. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, pretty much everywhere you go, you'll find the hardcore IM@S fans and most of them hated Xenoglossia. Xenoglossia stood on it's own as a pretty decent-to-good mecha show, especially at the end where it turned out much better than it really should have. We shouldn't ever forget that Namco-Bandai pretty much told Sunrise to make a show with Idolm@ster, it's not as if Sunrise had a choice. The parent company was anxious to cash in on IM@S, Sunrise didn't even get a say one way or the other about whether they even wanted to do the show or not. It would be the equivalent of giving K-ON to Sunrise instead of Kyoto Animation. Sunrise did what they did best, which is make a mecha show, and the rest is history. I would have loved to have been at the meeting the day that the Sunrise guys went over to the Namco side of the company to show the executives the first episode of Xenoglossia. The expressions on the executives' faces were probably priceless. I still consider Xenoglossia one of the most creative and out-there uses of a completely unrelated license that I've seen, and amazingly enough, Sunrise didn't trainwreck it to death the way they did with Code Geass (which was airing around that time), they played it completely straight and it still worked. FWIW, I think Xenoglossia is better than Code Geass. Less trainwrecking, less overstuffing of characters on top of overstuffed casts, less ridiculous constant cliffhangers and plot twists, less fabulous. Well, okay, I liked the fabulous in Code Geass.

2011-07-11, 06:03	Link #170
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Xenoglossia made the same mistake that Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within made. They took the name of a well-known franchise, and then turned it into something that only vaguely resembled said franchise. Had they just named it Xenoglossia, the show would have been judged on its own merits, but by using an established franchise it will inevitably be compared to said franchise by its fans. They really have nobody to blame but themselves for coming up with that idea.

2011-07-11, 08:09	Link #171
Westlo Lets be reality Join Date: May 2007	Honestly I knew nothing about the IM@S franchise when I watched Xenoglossia and found it didn't compare well to Sunrises other mecha shows of the time, namely Geass and Zegapain. The general reception to the show itself was rather "Meh" from what I remember, was the small Eng IM@S faction of the time even much of a factor in the reception of the show? It's not like the Umineko VN readers where you couldn't get away from their whining... (And I'm one of them...) Still to be fair to Xenoglossia it's much better than Sore Kake....

2011-07-11, 10:31	Link #174
Westlo Lets be reality Join Date: May 2007	Someone needs to shop Kamina/Simon glasses onto Producer-san.

2011-07-11, 20:51	Link #177
Divini Senpai! Join Date: Mar 2007	Sorry if this was asked before, but is this going to be an all-girl main character kind of anime a la Koihime Musou/Nanoha or...? Not that I'd automatically be put off if it was, but I played some IM@S / read some manga and the manager/producer-idol relationship was the most interesting aspect to the story for me. Also I picked up IM@S as a whole after the first anime came out. Is that worth watching? I was kind of put off by the synopsis... (errr idols in mecha? really?)