2013-01-25, 23:34 | Link #5681 | |
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Kira's characterization in comparison with Athrun may possibly be due to all he went through in SEED and managed to find a solution to his pain in the last seconds of his fight against Rau whereas Athrun almost killed himself in the finale since he was fighting for personal reasons and ended with questions that Durandal appears to be able to answer. Kira still has some scenes where he is shown weaked but they are short lived. When people compare Athrun with Quattro, I note that Athrun is not piloting a golden mobile suit like Quattro's Hyaku Shiki but a red one like Aegis and Justice and so he acts more like a rival still having problems and not a mentor. |
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I think it's already losing heavily at that point. Uzumi saw it too. Quote:
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Another twisting of my words? Not what she thinks she knows, she knows about the simple fact that Minerva was fighting those who drop Junius 7.
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2013-01-26, 00:44 | Link #5683 | |
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Orb chose to join the Alliance this time, and that's all there is to it. Don't try to make this something more complicated than it really is. Like I said before, this is more like a change in foreign policy rather than something as grand as ending democracy in the USA. You just have to get over that misguided idea because the show certainly doesn't treat it as such. |
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2013-01-26, 00:59 | Link #5684 | |
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2013-01-26, 01:21 | Link #5685 | ||
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It's not my opinion. It's what the show presented to us.
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Where I disagree with you has always been how you place Orb's ideals as something more than what it really is. I don't deny that these ideals are important to Orb, but things can and do change. Orb's ideals have simply never been presented in both SEED and Destiny as something that would utterly change the nation so drastically if it were changed/abandoned. |
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2013-01-26, 01:51 | Link #5686 |
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And what I take from the show is that it presented to us through Uzumi’s speeches and conversations that those ideals of neutrality has been the soul of ORB and it helps maintaining the peace and stability all those years. It’s just, for every ideals, there are some rough time where other group of people will challenge you because of it. Of course, how much those ideals means for each person in ORB may vary, but doesn’t change the fact that it helps shape the country of ORB which makes it fundamental to me. Then, ORB people in Destiny simply discarded it like some trash policy *sigh*. Well, that’s what I get from the show, while you simply get different thing.
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2013-01-26, 02:00 | Link #5687 |
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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...ated-for-march
and there was much rejoicing
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2013-01-26, 02:09 | Link #5688 | ||
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The problem with Orb's ideals is that it only takes an enemy like the AF to shatter that peace and stability. Orb experienced first hand in SEED how their ideals meant nothing to the AF. So in Destiny, the Seirans sought for a better outcome. They joined the alliance and, yes, they had the obligation to share their military troops. But, in exchange, the country did maintain its stability. Quote:
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2013-01-26, 02:19 | Link #5690 | |
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I guess Orb's ideals is simply not maintainable during a world war scenario. One way or another, Orb will get roped in. |
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2013-01-26, 02:51 | Link #5691 | |
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Which doesn't mean that the ideals are bad. Sometimes, there are some jerks (like Federation) who just want to give you nothing but trouble. You just have to stand your ground and fight against those kind of people. Granting their selfish request will only strengthen their arrogance and power which basically a very bad thing for those who upholds human rights and sovereignty of the nations (Plus, in case of SEED, you're helping a genocide).
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2013-01-26, 03:04 | Link #5692 | |
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Oh, I agree.
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Unfortunately for Cagalli, most of the current Orb leaders in her time chose to side with the Alliance. |
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2013-01-26, 03:45 | Link #5693 |
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i know this is going back a little in this conversation but where did you hear this i'd like to know because i've read that fuku/moro turned into real arse holes near the end of destiny but id like to read up on this so i can know why cagalli was ruined
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2013-01-26, 04:46 | Link #5694 | |
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On a different note, does anyone have a list of the crew that worked on the Seed remaster? The new stock animations were quite nice.
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2013-01-26, 05:07 | Link #5695 | |
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TLR they where really " demanding " of their VA's (Lacus, Cagallis, and so on) and that ended up with arguments between Naomi Shindo and Fuku/Moro, and it resulted in Cagalli's character being butchered and Naomi refusing to work with Morosawa. Just google around and i'm sure you'll find more info |
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2013-01-26, 06:45 | Link #5698 | |
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Indeed, but she hasnt voiced cagalli in any games either Last edited by Znozzy; 2013-01-26 at 08:03. |
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2013-01-26, 06:56 | Link #5700 |
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well either way finally the day for HD version of GSD will come & soon movie of GS talks come back again.
or better yet will finally pull in give a 3rd GS series to finally SAVE_US cause after PG-age sorta ruined whole gundam watching. indeed they need to go back to GS era roots to SAVE_US all.
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