2009-08-07, 23:36 | Link #462 |
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Hmmm, I think this manga is a little too subtle for most of the people here. That and a little too cerebral. It's bound to fly over the heads of many.
It's got a different feel and way of going about things, and there's definetly some bits of wisdom here and there. There's much going for the characters here, but it's done in a very subtle way and I think too many people here have become too accustomed to stories where the plot and character goodness are overtly and dramatically shown to the audience. I think Medaka is a great character, one whose love for human beings is absolute and genuine, even if it drives her to utter eccentricity at times. It's weird to me that people here interpret her character and actions in such a one-sided manner instead of trying to see the underlying drive and motives behind what's easily seen. Again this manga really does things differently, and has good bits of wisdom and thought and character, but it's all so subtle that most people miss it. In other words, you guys have been watching/reading too much Death Note and Code Geass.
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2009-08-07, 23:54 | Link #463 |
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Obviously if its so low in ratings they must be doing it too subtle since almost no one picks it up. Personally I think you are just roaming in the dark room, searching for the black cats, that are not in there to begin with.
And I think love for everyone is a flaw and a problem is that manga makes it look like a positive thing even though it is not healthy - everyone's friend is a friend of no one. |
2009-08-07, 23:58 | Link #464 | |
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WSJ is like commercial radio, it doesn't matter if it's great if it's not consumable for the masses it will fail. |
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2009-08-08, 00:09 | Link #465 |
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Then do not chose the magazine that aims 12-15 year old teenage boys. Either adapt or get out. If you are an idiot who posts shoujo love story in shounen magazine then its not audience's fault but yours.
Hatsukoi was a shit. And I am not a teenager anymore and enjoy reading complex love stories and still think Hatsukoi manga was a crap. I enjoyed anime but manga was no good at all due to lack of focus. |
2009-08-08, 00:14 | Link #466 |
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Oh how nice of you to reply to me for once though I guess this time was easier since it was opinion based instead of me proving what you were saying was wrong. As for shoujo manga romance.. you're not implying this or Hatsukoi is one are you? L O L
Edit - Oh wait I remember you from the Kannagi manga discussion, you're clearly someone who wants genres to stay in their defined lines and never grow and evolve so what's the point of this discussion lol. Funny how in this thread like in that one you try and spin stuff as being the truth. Like how according to you the majority of fans were pissed at Kannagi manga.. yet the reality was on 2ch most people were pissed at the whiners.. nice too see you acting the same in this thread. Edit 2 - It doesn't matter if Hatsukoi was shit, Ichigo 100% was shit and that lasted 140+ chapters, I;ll say Bleach is shit and that's the 3rd most popular title in WSJ. Hatsukoi was too much for the audience of WSJ to handle, it was too ambitious, clearly the mangaka has learnt her lesson since we now have the straightforward (yet still shit) Anedoki. I already said WSJ is like commercial radio and for both of those things the quality of the material doesn't have a bearing on whether it's popular or not. |
2009-08-08, 00:21 | Link #467 |
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Nah, you are just that easy to ignore in general. No, I wasn't implying that Medaka Box is a shoujo, its just an example that the author has to choose audience for his/her manga. It is not the audience fault but the author's.
Like in Kannagi' case, you do something out of the proportions - you get the payback - a lot of noise from whiners, that probably did not went good with the author and did not improve her health by much. There are acts (or plots in this case) that you are expected to follow, if you do not want to follow - its fine, but do not complain when it comes back biting in the ass later. Sometimes it can turn out to be a great choice and innovative thing, but in most cases audience just rejects it. Last edited by Darknemo2000; 2009-08-08 at 00:33. |
2009-08-08, 00:27 | Link #468 |
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If by ignore you mean "I got corrected and can't man up enough to admit it" than yes I guess you did ignore me rather well in this thread. But you really you should stop posting so many incorrect things about WSJ and Medaka Box, it just leads to confusion.. (like people commenting that the yuri kiss didn't improve ratings) once or twice sure.. but 5+ times is a tad ridiculous..
Sometimes it can turn out to be a great choice and innovative thing, but in most cases audience just rejects it. And the funny thing is these people grow up and than complain about the lack of innovation in manga and anime. Last edited by Westlo; 2009-08-08 at 00:39. |
2009-08-08, 00:42 | Link #469 | |
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No one posted it five times + about yuri kiss, in most cases those were different people and each can express what they think. Even if Westlo doesn't like it. And if you are saying that someone posted it 5+ times (as in one person) mind pointing who, because I have to suspect that you are pretty bad at arithmetics if you really are saying so.
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But in this case, 'grow up' is important factor tough - if you want something different - aim at grown ups (young adults) where it may be accepted, rather than 12-15 year old teens where it will most likely be rejected. |
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That they are Kaisos..
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2009-08-08, 01:28 | Link #472 | |
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TLR has sales and Medaka still hasn't, so? If you are unhappy that I talk as if they are low, well usually those who have low ratings do not sell well. TLR is an exception, one of the reason is because it's based on fan-service (which Medaka is not) thus people have no purpose to vote down Medaka in same way as TLR simply because it is not as embarrassing issue as with TLR to begin with. While in ratings I am just talking about the factual place - if newcomers will be rated and Medaka will be pushed up - then it will happen, but it still hasn't happened yet. Nishio is a big person in novels, but not that much in manga's market. I mean Death Note manga plot is not written by him but by Ohba, same is with xxxHoLic (plot written by someone else), as a manga plot writer he is still unproved and unknown. I did make mistake about Contractor M&Y mangaka being the author of the plot, but I do think he chages stuff accordingly. But it doesn't change the point Akira is nameless as a mangaka, and Nishio, no matter how hot he is in novels market, is still no one in manga market as a manga plot writer. Just because someone wrote the manga plot based on his ideas, doesnt prove him as a manga plot writer. Last edited by Darknemo2000; 2009-08-08 at 01:40. |
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2009-08-09, 20:11 | Link #475 | |
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2009-08-10, 21:52 | Link #476 |
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I know the reasons behind it, but it's still too damn funny at ToLove always in the bottom. As to ch 14 alot of z's this week, even Shiranui's appearance didn't shake the funk... Kuroko might be able to stay above if they don't stretch one game over 5 chapters...
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2009-08-10, 22:01 | Link #477 |
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I suspect the problem is that the author wanted all the characters in, but introduced them all way too quickly, and forgot about the rest of the story... hopefully we'll get the story back now, and maybe the romantic undertones that drew us to the story in the first place (if we can't have Zenkichi and Medaka, then I'll settle for Zenkichi and the swimmer... I just want some goddamned romance in this tory to move it along!)
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