Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Character Creation and Discussion

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

I might ask for her combat data later. But for now, I'm concentrating on her, Aurion and Kha's conversation about the two extremes, and some rather amusing/embarrassing situations. I'll do borrowing your characters justice with some interaction humor!

Can't wait to see it.

Originally Posted by LoweGear

*notes down*

I should proably expand on that a little bit, Keroko's shields are weaker then the other Aces'. They are still usefull, but in order to get a shield as powerfull as Nanoha's, for example, Keroko will have to focus all her energy into keeping that shield up, practically making her a turtle: Good defense, but if you can't retaliate it's only a matter of time before they crack the shield. Combined with her unnatural reflexes and 'battle sense', it's a better choice she dodges whatever the enemy throws at her. That's why she prefers airborne combat, no objects to get in the way of flight.

Originally Posted by LoweGear

They are quite similar in those respects true (Mai's profile was somewhat influenced by Keroko there ). Would be interesting to know how a meeting between Keroko and Mai would turn out...

Having someone use your work is the best kind of compliment

Keroko would probably be more aware of the tainted Linker Core, due to her own experience, and would try to befriend Mai ASAP. I'm thinking Keroko would consider Mai to her how Nanoha considered Fate during the first season: Someone in who she can recognize a part of herself.

Originally Posted by LoweGear

And bringing in demons through the Immaterium? I sure hope the Nurgle, Slaanesh, Tzeentch and Khorne aren't present

Summoning chaos gods?! That doesn't even happen in the 40k universe!

I mean, I'm okay with a Great Unclean One, but Nurgle himself would land Kha in the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX mage rank (yes, chaos gods are that powerful).

Originally Posted by LoweGear

"I can feel The Warp overtaking me!"

"It is a good pain!"

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Smith: Binds?
Wesson: I LOVE BINDS!!!
*Chainsaw revs*

Do they know Chrono?

...

Just a question.

[Kha]

Originally Posted by Keroko

I should proably expand on that a little bit, Keroko's shields are weaker then the other Aces'. They are still usefull, but in order to get a shield as powerfull as Nanoha's, for example, Keroko will have to focus all her energy into keeping that shield up, practically making her a turtle: Good defense, but if you can't retaliate it's only a matter of time before they crack the shield. Combined with her unnatural reflexes and 'battle sense', it's a better choice she dodges whatever the enemy throws at her. That's why she prefers airborne combat, no objects to get in the way of flight.

Which also the reason why other than Fate, Keroko can pace Kha quite well when chasing him all over the place if she's in the mood for some chain-ICB.

Originally Posted by Keroko

Summoning chaos gods?! That doesn't even happen in the 40k universe!

I mean, I'm okay with a Great Unclean One, but Nurgle himself would land Kha in the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX mage rank (yes, chaos gods are that powerful).

I'm sure there's a difference between opening the door to a god and the god just banging it down on his own when determining someone's summoning rank.

And that's also provided Sophia and Kha survive it. If they do:

Kha: The good news is, we're alive.
Sof: The bad news is...

(both knights look up at the giant beast)

Both:

Btw, I hope Nighty doesn't miss Kha's visualization aids.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Kha

Which also the reason why other than Fate, Keroko can pace Kha quite well when chasing him all over the place if she's in the mood for some chain-ICB.

*whistles idly*

Originally Posted by Kha

I'm sure there's a difference between opening the door to a god and the god just banging it down on his own when determining someone's summoning rank.

And that's also provided Sophia and Kha survive it. If they do:

Kha: The good news is, we're alive.
Sof: The bad news is...

(both knights look up at the giant beast)

Both:

Btw, I hope Nighty doesn't miss Kha's visualization aids.

Well, let me put it this way, remember the fall of the Eldar? How they were once the greatest of races, imortallity, greatest pleasures, stars lived and died at their command blah blah blah, and now they are only a shred of their former existence?

That was because of the birth of Slaanesh.

That's right, just the birth of a chaos god send an entire race into near extincion. Imagine what he would do if he decided to do a bit more then just being born...

That's why I don't like the idea of any OC being able to summon a chaos god. These guys are simply too powerful. But then again, they are called gods for a reason.

[Nightengale]

The images are good enough. Besides, it's not like I have space to draw Sakurazaki in it, since it IS Yuuno-centric, only with a 2nd banana to add to background space.

Well, we can always have the ORE NO TAN! mixed into actual Nanoha-verse if we're going to be a little picky on summonings. The Game of Darkness thingy of YGO is pretty much like Reinforce's black blob of mental-reality altering powers anyway.

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by Kha

I posted it before. But I've found better ones since. The anime one sucked, but Kha's armor looked just like this:

Spoiler for Kha:

From CASSHERN live action movie:

Kha in Sonicform, the underlying armor beneath the trenchcoat. Yes I ripped the whole thing off piece for piece, right up to the mask.

Kha's trenchcoat in Panzerform looks like the one this guy is wearing:

Except that Kha wears it open in the front, and with the collar folded down.


These action figures show a rough whole body look of Sonicform. In place of those black batons are the spare clips for Tausend Kreuz.

Speaking of Tausend Kreuz, in StrikerS it is TK Sakurazaki, but basically the difference is that strange mechanoid block on the middle of the shaft of TK has been removed.

This being GARlock Yuuno, Kha thus no longer has Sonicform, having replaced it with Jaegerform. As for that, it basically Sonicform, but with added shoulder-mounted boosters and thigh thruster vents like Tallgeese III:

These are only opened when flying. But if its too hard you could always go for Panzerform (Sonicform + Durandal trenchcoat).

Kha has a long black hair tied up into a ponytail. In Knight Armor, the pony is kept in a mechanical sheath coming out from the back of the steel mask like the Hard Suit from Bubblegum Crisis:


Instead of sticking straight out of the back, it is articulated into 3 joints down his back.

Did that help? I can put up more specific examples if you want.

Talk about inspirations...

Smith/Wesson: *sees Kha* Chairman?!

I admit, wasn't too fond of the Casshern design at first, but seeing it whole made me appreciate it a bit more

Originally Posted by Kha

@Lowe: Yes, it was part of my theme of contradiction for Kha. To save a life means to not save another. And to save the world, you might have to do something drastic...

And this chainsaw thing got me thinking... How's Mai with horror movies? She must love the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

More Shiro And sometimes, you'll have to fight fire with fire

And Mai? Horror movies are her specialty, to the point of being jaded (almost nothing scares her anymore). She won't share it, but she knows the Survival Guide to Horror Movies by heart ("If you see that it's just the cat, ready your weapon" ).

Originally Posted by Keroko

I should proably expand on that a little bit, Keroko's shields are weaker then the other Aces'. They are still usefull, but in order to get a shield as powerfull as Nanoha's, for example, Keroko will have to focus all her energy into keeping that shield up, practically making her a turtle: Good defense, but if you can't retaliate it's only a matter of time before they crack the shield. Combined with her unnatural reflexes and 'battle sense', it's a better choice she dodges whatever the enemy throws at her. That's why she prefers airborne combat, no objects to get in the way of flight.

Impenetrable defense at the cost of mobility, yup big trouble in an environment where there's nowhere to run or hide

Originally Posted by Keroko

Having someone use your work is the best kind of compliment

Keroko would probably be more aware of the tainted Linker Core, due to her own experience, and would try to befriend Mai ASAP. I'm thinking Keroko would consider Mai to her how Nanoha considered Fate during the first season: Someone in who she can recognize a part of herself.

Also noted that Keroko's more of a listener as well... and since Mai runs a listening service, and probably wouldn't talk as much... I'm not sure how a convo between these two would work out. Silence maybe? And Kindred Spirits would be a good development tool for Mai

Originally Posted by Keroko

Summoning chaos gods?! That doesn't even happen in the 40k universe!

I mean, I'm okay with a Great Unclean One, but Nurgle himself would land Kha in the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX mage rank (yes, chaos gods are that powerful).

... At least we can summon Greater Daemons then?

Although my image of the "Balrog-Class" Demon Mai turned into is based off this:

Yep, This Thing.

Mai, a potential disciple of Khorne?

Originally Posted by Keroko

Do they know Chrono?

...

Just a question.

Who knows...

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

And Mai? Horror movies are her specialty, to the point of being jaded (almost nothing scares her anymore). She won't share it, but she knows the Survival Guide to Horror Movies by heart ("If you see that it's just the cat, ready your weapon" ).

Keroko hates horror movies, mainly because she doesn't want to watch them, but once she starts she can't stop.

Artherion would wholeheartly agree with the SGHM, though.

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Impenetrable defense at the cost of mobility, yup big trouble in an environment where there's nowhere to run or hide

*cough*narrow corridor*cough*

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Also noted that Keroko's more of a listener as well... and since Mai runs a listening service, and probably wouldn't talk as much... I'm not sure how a convo between these two would work out. Silence maybe? And Kindred Spirits would be a good development tool for Mai

Well she can start a conversation, it's just that when people are around her talking about all sorts of things she will usually be content to sit with them and enjoy listening to the conversation. Unless a point of interest comes up, or she is drawn into the conversation.

Originally Posted by LoweGear

... At least we can summon Greater Daemons then?

Considering they can't kill a galaxy by sneezing on it, yes, they're a lot safer.

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Although my image of the "Balrog-Class" Demon Mai turned into is based off this:

Yep, This Thing.

Mai, a potential disciple of Khorne?

Khorne > any chaos god when it comes to demons (Bloodthirster For The Win!).

Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne!

*cough*

Though it'd be interesting to see Kha try and explain the concept of collateral damage to a group of Bloodletters.

[Kha]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Well, let me put it this way, remember the fall of the Eldar? How they were once the greatest of races, imortallity, greatest pleasures, stars lived and died at their command blah blah blah, and now they are only a shred of their former existence?

That was because of the birth of Slaanesh.

That's right, just the birth of a chaos god send an entire race into near extincion. Imagine what he would do if he decided to do a bit more then just being born...

That's why I don't like the idea of any OC being able to summon a chaos god. These guys are simply too powerful. But then again, they are called gods for a reason.

(does a Satashi) No one is summoning Gods! -flails some more-

I was saying, what Sophia's doing is summoning a link to the Immaterium for Kha to draw the mana there directly. HOWEVER, daemons and Eredar can sense this portal, like how they smell Psykers from a mile off, and try and force their way through. Theoretically, Kha and Sophia should be torn to pieces if they break through, resealing the bridge and locking the gods away.

Originally Posted by Nightengale

The images are good enough. Besides, it's not like I have space to draw Sakurazaki in it, since it IS Yuuno-centric, only with a 2nd banana to add to background space.

It was to be clear. Looking forward to it!

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Talk about inspirations...

Smith/Wesson: *sees Kha* Chairman?!

I admit, wasn't too fond of the Casshern design at first, but seeing it whole made me appreciate it a bit more

More Shiro And sometimes, you'll have to fight fire with fire

And Mai? Horror movies are her specialty, to the point of being jaded (almost nothing scares her anymore). She won't share it, but she knows the Survival Guide to Horror Movies by heart ("If you see that it's just the cat, ready your weapon" ).

Kha does expound on theories about offensively asserting the right to self-defence, which is a play on his "offensive shielding" combat strat. At least he'll balk at the idea of a Destiny plan.

And... more Shiro.

I hope Scary Movie can scare her with the brainlessness.

[Aaron008R]

@Keroko: I just had a sudden thought. Is Keroko-chan claustrophobic?

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Kha

(does a Satashi) No one is summoning Gods! -flails some more-

I was saying, what Sophia's doing is summoning a link to the Immaterium for Kha to draw the mana there directly. HOWEVER, daemons and Eredar can sense this portal, like how they smell Psykers from a mile off, and try and force their way through. Theoretically, Kha and Sophia should be torn to pieces if they break through, resealing the bridge and locking the gods away.

Ah, okay.

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

@Keroko: I just had a sudden thought. Is Keroko-chan claustrophobic?

Not really, but she does hate to be caught in a large crowd of people. She likes to move at her own pace, not the pace forced upon her by a crowd.

[Aaron008R]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Not really, but she does hate to be caught in a large crowd of people. She likes to move at her own pace, not the pace forced upon her by a crowd.

Ah, I see...

Kha: About Sakura, is it alright for you if she calls Aurion 'Hakase-chan?' Or maybe you could suggest another nickname from your device.
I've already written about the first part of the RF6 base visit scenario, complete with mysterious reactions and a rather hilarious situation.
And by the way, when the Whispers kick in, which eye changes color? And it turns red, right?

[An Hero in Disguise]

Originally Posted by Kha

For Kha, I wonder if it'll be too h4xx to say that AO has no control over divine aether threads? Case in point: From WoW, a major inspiration for Kha's Holy Velka skills, Holy damage is normally low, but there's no +Resistance stat for it. A mortal can't stop the hand of God so to speak. This makes Kha's shields, buffs and siegels immune to Flow Manipulation, and how his barrier-piercing attacks are very effective. As it is, half of the Siegels' Urteil ignore protection.

Which brings us to the nerfing point: low DPS. As decreed by the God Empress, no man shalt hurt thy brother unless judged guilty. Most of Kha's divine damage is dealt in magic damage non-lethal to humans, so while he can bust armor, rip protection and tear through machines and aliens just like the other Aces, comparatively little does permanent damage to the flesh. He could knock people out pretty quickly, so his usual method of approach is to reversibly maim/disable then impose the full "Confession" bind while they're down to be arrested.

Only a charged Leutendes Licht burns through flesh in one shot, but like Spearengriff, the charged variation is more of a sniping attack.

Which is why Schneiderform is h4xx. I believe it is time to reveal this vile trump:

Spoiler for Schneiderform Knight Armor:

Schneiderform - This Knight Armor not only removes that last weakness of Holy damage, it reinforces Kha's attacks and inverts the rest of Kha's support spells. Blessings become Curses, Heals, be it point or AOE, rend flesh instead, Siegels hurt twice as much and the full Confession bind becomes something like an industrial grade Force Strangle meant to turn people into pulp.

In the original doctrine of the Cleric-knights, the God Empress's will is all that is needed to turn the non-lethal magic to lethal magic. However, we know that that's not possible in this modern day. And so Kha and Sophia figured out a very dangerous way of circumventing this problem.

Drawing from the forbidden manuscripts of the dark clergy of the High Temple, recovered from the Infinite Library while Yuuno was researching a way to deal with Dio in AlternateS, this is achieved by augmenting Kha's divine mana, granted by the Naaru, with Velka Chaos magic, derived from the Quera, thus giving Kha the insane ability to wield the twin forces of divinity at once, and smite his foes with absolute death and decay.

However, this form requires another person to activate. Sophia has to summon a mana bridge like the one that connects Kha to the Naaru and maintain it, thus granting Kha the additional armor. This influx of shadow mana runs the risk of the driving him, or the channeler, crazy and going on a rampage like Keroko if Neltharion's powers run amok.

Secondly, there's also a theoretical time limit to Kha being in this form. Using WoW and 40K terminology again, powerful demons like the Eredar and Chaos daemons can sense this mana drain and try to break into the material realm through the bridge, while filter barriers can only hold for so long.

Due to the risks involved, and by the degree that it overtly insults his ideals, Kha is practically sworn off Schneiderform. If only the God Empress could be found...

Note that AO has control over this black mana, so Schneiderform would be countered by Flow Manipulation.

Also, Kha can see the threads being manipulated, due to his Whispers, but cannot interfere. Only Sakura and Sakura Zaki, being emissary-designates of the divine, can fully counter the thread manipulation blow for blow by using divine wil to revoke the order imposed onto the threads, but it'll be a battle of wills between her/her and AO in this case.

How intense; Kha VS Serge would be a battle at every level, from mages, right down their Devices. In these type of anime fights, nothing around the combatants ever survive in one piece.

I wouldn't consider it too h4x if AO had no control over divine magic. Except Flow Manipulation Serge has access to regular Mid-Childian magic as well, being currently AAA ranked at that, and he can use both simultaneously if he really needs it. (BTW cheers how nobody mentioned a plothole with Serge using Flight magic and Manipulation freely at the same time Later I made a remark implying that Flight is completely taken care of by AO if it's in its sealed form) Now what's interesting is whether Serge's Manipulator moves don't interact with divine magic completely or the interaction changes to another level - will divine shields block Aether Slasher? Will Serge's defensive moves be effective? So basically does the absence of control mean the absence of interaction as well or not?

Seeing the threads being manipulated is alright Battle for the control over the very magic particles on the level of Devices looks interesting too

Originally Posted by Saint X

- Note: Flow manipulation or any form of time-space-magic distortion will not apply with a Key Device Keeper in action- keep in mind that these devices hold the multiverse's 'default' setting- any manipulation will be countered with a reset of the field- each time. Luckily Kyla, Ashton, Rurika and Nonaha did not unlock their device's 'defaulting' function as of now.

As you have noted in the previous skirmish, Ashton's summons were immune to some spells.
default aux mode for the win!

Heh, do you have a more thorough explanation of the multiverse and the role of Key Devices? Because we can possibly run into another paradox in the future with some parts of my little plot for AO. Kha could probably guess what I'm talking about Because it's exactly the 'default' setting I'm messing with.

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

Yes it is. It's haxx at it's best.

I considered counterattack type of the h4xx rather as disadvantage (at least against Serge, because he's going to use mostly counterattacks himself, and moreover should be able to understand that the opponent prepared a trap due to Aether Insight).

Originally Posted by Keroko

Summoning chaos gods?! That doesn't even happen in the 40k universe!

I mean, I'm okay with a Great Unclean One, but Nurgle himself would land Kha in the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX mage rank (yes, chaos gods are that powerful).

I wouldn't call "accidentally luring due to overuse of forbidden powers" summoning And the "summoner" will probably be the first to suffer too

[Kha]

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

Ah, I see...

Kha: About Sakura, is it alright for you if she calls Aurion 'Hakase-chan?' Or maybe you could suggest another nickname from your device.
I've already written about the first part of the RF6 base visit scenario, complete with mysterious reactions and a rather hilarious situation.
And by the way, when the Whispers kick in, which eye changes color? And it turns red, right?

Hakase-tan sounds fine. I'm thinking that she calls Chario "Shari-shari".

It's the right eye, and it turns blue from brown (Kha's magic color). Up to you to keep the Geass wings, after all, it was CC who taught Kha how to do the Whisperscan, like how she gave Z--

*Flying pizza >> Kha*

@An Hero: The directed divine shield "Blessing of Protection" would hold out against aether attacks, but like any normal shield, repeat attacks wear it out. However, it is cheap and spammable. The practically invincible self-surround Gotteliches Schield has a 15s duration, and being a favor granted by the Naaru, there is a 2 min "cooldown" before the next one can be requested. Wachter-Engel has a very large absorbance and can expand till its very big, but its high in mana cost, and has a 10 min cooldown.

Serge's defences would pose a bigger challenge to Kha's barrier breakers since they were built stronger at the fundamental level, so Serge should be able to hold out better than other mages too.

[Aaron008R]

Originally Posted by An Hero in Disguise

I wouldn't consider it too h4x if AO had no control over divine magic. Except Flow Manipulation Serge has access to regular Mid-Childian magic as well, being currently AAA ranked at that, and he can use both simultaneously if he really needs it. (BTW cheers how nobody mentioned a plothole with Serge using Flight magic and Manipulation freely at the same time Later I made a remark implying that Flight is completely taken care of by AO if it's in its sealed form) Now what's interesting is whether Serge's Manipulator moves don't interact with divine magic completely or the interaction changes to another level - will divine shields block Aether Slasher? Will Serge's defensive moves be effective? So basically does the absence of control mean the absence of interaction as well or not?

Seeing the threads being manipulated is alright Battle for the control over the very magic particles on the level of Devices looks interesting too

Hwaaaaaa! Yarareta. I'll explain later.

Originally Posted by Kha

Hakase-tan sounds fine. I'm thinking that she calls Chario "Shari-shari".

It's the right eye, and it turns blue from brown (Kha's magic color). Up to you to keep the Geass wings, after all, it was CC who taught Kha how to do the Whisperscan, like how she gave Z--

*Flying pizza >> Kha*

Thanks! That cleared up some things. I wonder if I should do a little skip to make the situation even more enigmatic.

[An Hero in Disguise]

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

Hwaaaaaa! Yarareta. I'll explain later.

Now that was an interesting reaction

EDIT:

BTW AO's control over magic particles isn't absolute in its current state indeed. It may have some troubles encountering other beings with similar powers.

[Kha]

Originally Posted by An Hero in Disguise

Now that was an interesting reaction

*Imagines Chibi-AO and Chibi-Sakura playing tug-o-war with an Aether thread, and their mages in the background sweat-dropping*

[An Hero in Disguise]

Originally Posted by Kha

*Imagines Chibi-AO and Chibi-Sakura playing tug-o-war with an Aether thread, and their mages in the background sweat-dropping*

Are we spoiling AO humanoid form here?

Originally Posted by Kha

@An Hero: The directed divine shield "Blessing of Protection" would hold out against aether attacks, but like any normal shield, repeat attacks wear it out. However, it is cheap and spammable. The practically invincible self-surround Gotteliches Schield has a 15s duration, and being a favor granted by the Naaru, there is a 2 min "cooldown" before the next one can be requested. Wachter-Engel has a very large absorbance and can expand till its very big, but its high in mana cost, and has a 10 min cooldown.

Serge's defences would pose a bigger challenge to Kha's barrier breakers since they were built stronger at the fundamental level, so Serge should be able to hold out better than other mages too.

I see, so physically the spells do interact, just Flow Manipulation can't influence the divine magic like it does with regular spells. So if against a regular shield an aether attack rather dispels it (fully or partially) than breaks, against a divine shield it'll face a solid barrier needed to be overcome by force, right? (and speaking about force Serge's direct aether attacks mostly aren't that powerful)

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BTW any more info on SaintX's Key Devices and his views on the structure of multiverse? I need to know if my plot will somehow interfere

[Aaron008R]

Originally Posted by An Hero in Disguise

Now that was an interesting reaction

I think I might as well explain. Aurion's liability factor is his ability to perceive and exercise a limited amount of control on the threads, turning them cobalt instead of gold. Here's an excerpt:

Spoiler for excerpt:

I let the glowing threads run through my fingers, exclaiming, "This is quite a dazzling ability you have here, Aether Origin."

"Why thank you." The Lost Logia device replied in a female voice. Really, just how many voices does this device have?

I turned to Serge. "By the way, Romardo," I raised my left hand that still had a number of threads running over my palm. "about the bargain," I clenched my fist, causing the threads near me to pulse and flare into the color of my own magic, "I think your not the only one with the proper capabilities to make demands."

His reaction was expectedly violent. He jumped back, summoned his Barrier Jacket, converted AO into it's second form and sent several hundred threads at my direction; all in the matter of two seconds. I didn't bother trying to stop the threads, as they stopped automatically before they reached me. I smirked. Seems like he perceived that I'm not going to attack.

Would you like me to make some alterations?

[Kha]

Originally Posted by An Hero in Disguise

Are we spoiling AO humanoid form here?

Canon has proven that theoretically any magical program has a power-saving form, which turns out to be chibi.

Originally Posted by An Hero in Disguise

I see, so physically the spells do interact, just Flow Manipulation can't influence the divine magic like it does with regular spells. So if against a regular shield an aether attack rather dispels it (fully or partially) than breaks, against a divine shield it'll face a solid barrier needed to be overcome by force, right? (and speaking about force Serge's direct aether attacks mostly aren't that powerful)

Yes, that would be it.

Now about Sakura's ability to influence AO's threads with the divine equivalent to knot, twist and try to bend AO's threads. From her perspective, the AO threads looks like they belong to an Old God, the ones that ruled the galaxies and the ones before, until the God Empress was born. Hearing your description of AO's history, I must also say that by virtue of the "Tale of the Thousand Crosses" (11 have appeared in my various works so far), AO and Tausend Kreuz are technically cousins. Fits your related-device theory by coincidence too.

Also, Aaron reminded me of her Unison Mode. Once sync'd in, Kha should have the ability to command the divine threads directly, though Sakura Zaki (not Chibi-Sakura) would have to teach him how on the fly. The programs do it naturally, but not Kha.

Hmm... Kha can't damage Serge, and vice versa. What a stalemate.

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

I think I might as well explain. Aurion's liability factor is his ability to perceive and exercise a limited amount of control on the threads, turning them cobalt instead of gold. Here's an excerpt:

Spoiler for excerpt:

I let the glowing threads run through my fingers, exclaiming, "This is quite a dazzling ability you have here, Aether Origin."

"Why thank you." The Lost Logia device replied in a female voice. Really, just how many voices does this device have?

I turned to Serge. "By the way, Romardo," I raised my left hand that still had a number of threads running over my palm. "about the bargain," I clenched my fist, causing the threads near me to pulse and flare into the color of my own magic, "I think your not the only one with the proper capabilities to make demands."

His reaction was expectedly violent. He jumped back, summoned his Barrier Jacket, converted AO into it's second form and sent several hundred threads at my direction; all in the matter of two seconds. I didn't bother trying to stop the threads, as they stopped automatically before they reached me. I smirked. Seems like he perceived that I'm not going to attack.

Would you like me to make some alterations?

Talk about driving home the point.

[An Hero in Disguise]

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

I think I might as well explain. Aurion's liability factor is his ability to perceive and exercise a limited amount of control on the threads, turning them cobalt instead of gold. Here's an excerpt:

Spoiler for excerpt:

I let the glowing threads run through my fingers, exclaiming, "This is quite a dazzling ability you have here, Aether Origin."

"Why thank you." The Lost Logia device replied in a female voice. Really, just how many voices does this device have?

I turned to Serge. "By the way, Romardo," I raised my left hand that still had a number of threads running over my palm. "about the bargain," I clenched my fist, causing the threads near me to pulse and flare into the color of my own magic, "I think your not the only one with the proper capabilities to make demands."

His reaction was expectedly violent. He jumped back, summoned his Barrier Jacket, converted AO into it's second form and sent several hundred threads at my direction; all in the matter of two seconds. I didn't bother trying to stop the threads, as they stopped automatically before they reached me. I smirked. Seems like he perceived that I'm not going to attack.

Would you like me to make some alterations?

Hoho, looks nice Well, basically I think a difference can be made between the levels of control Serge himself has over the aether threads and AO has over the magic particles. His usual level of control is boosted by the Device but is of course not absolute, so your scenario fits alright. Using moves like Aether Negation he's not relying on his powers but solely on the Device, whose level of control is far above his own, yet still not absolute but much much harder to counter. Serge doesn't expect to meet anyone capable of interaction with aether threads all of a sudden indeed (so far he has some assumptions about RH; he probably didn't fight against Kha so nothing certain about him either), and that'd be a good point for negotiations. It doesn't look like you need to change anything in this part.

[Kha]

Originally Posted by An Hero in Disguise

Hoho, looks nice Well, basically I think a difference can be made between the levels of control Serge himself has over the aether threads and AO has over the magic particles. His usual level of control is boosted by the Device but is of course not absolute, so your scenario fits alright. Using moves like Aether Negation he's not relying on his powers but solely on the Device, whose level of control is far above his own, yet still not absolute but much much harder to counter. Serge doesn't expect to meet anyone capable of interaction with aether threads all of a sudden indeed (so far he has some assumptions about RH; he probably didn't fight against Kha so nothing certain about him either), and that'd be a good point for negotiations. It doesn't look like you need to change anything in this part.

Eh...?! Okay time to rephrase:

Sakura's ability to influence AO's particles with the divine equivalent to bump, kick and oppose AO's. From her perspective, the AO particles looks like they belong to an Old God, the ones that ruled the galaxies and the ones before, until the God Empress was born. Hearing your description of AO's history, I must also say that by virtue of the "Tale of the Thousand Crosses" (11 have appeared in my various works so far), AO and Tausend Kreuz are technically cousins. Fits your related-device theory by coincidence too.

Also, Aaron reminded me of her Unison Mode. Once sync'd in, Kha should have the ability to command the divine particles directly, though Sakura Zaki (not Chibi-Sakura) would have to teach him how on the fly. The programs do it naturally, but not Kha.

As for threads, in the absence of control of the original caster, the programs can exert divine will upon it to accede to their request. With the presence of the caster, it'll be a battle of wills. This is however locked away from Kha for he is human and prone to error.

As of now... it looks like Kha VS AO, Sakura VS Serge.