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OhJustSomeRandomGuy · 2004-03-26, 22:35

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Originally Posted by ChouOishii

doesn't tsunade like her liquor? so it's not really a stretch of the imagination to think that she'd have left a bottle lying around... but on the other hand, why would she leave it next to a (what is lee, 13? 14 maybe?) kid's bed?

Of COURSE Tsunade likes her licker...why do you think she keeps Shizune around? Oh wait...my bad.

Anyway, if you look next to Lee's medicine in that panel you'll see a sake saucer. Tsunade was probably enjoying her success fixing up Lee.

That, and shochu (another strong clear liquor that is gaining popularity as a drink) was commonly used in the Meiji Era for medicinal purposes. It's not that big of a stretch to imagine that Tsunade went to the mecial cabinet to mix up ingredients for Lee's remedy, and decided she get some o' the medicine for herself, and absentmindedly left it back there.

She fell asleep doing Hokage paperwork, remember...she's still getting used to the hang of this job.

As far as Lee knowing multiple styles of martial arts. That makes perfect sense...however, him knowing drunken boxing doesn't. It's not like you get taught Shotokan, and then move to drunken boxing right after. It's move of an "exotic" style of martial arts.

Besides, Lee's mish-mash of taijutsu leads me to believe that he's not really a practioner of any particular style (much like Bruce Lee's Jeet Kung Do.) he knows a few moves, but basically, it's brute force and speed.

OhJustSomeRandomGuy · 2004-03-26, 22:37

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Originally Posted by That Other Ninja

I dunno about him accidentally taking her bottle of liquour, because he's clearly using the Drunken Kung-Fu stance like he knows what he's doing. Why would Lee get drunking unknowingly n then start using a specific martial arts stance like that?

That's precisely why you're supposed to start reading this as comedy. Lee doesn't know drunken boxing. Guy said he got drunk once, and destroyed a building. It's just what happens to Lee when he gets drunk. Lee doesn't think he's fighting in his most powerful stance...he just thinks he's fighting.

ChouOishii · 2004-03-26, 23:05

man, I just watch the lee/gaara fight again, and MAN is he stupid >< all he needed to do was keep chipping away at gaara's defenses until the panda dude's chakra ran out, but what he does instead is use his most powerful moves as quickly as possible. maybe he doesn't understand how hard doing something like manipulating sand to act as body armor for an extended period of time is since he can't do that sort of thing himself? he's a good fighter, but god DAMN, the boy's got the intelligence of a mentally-challenged rock >< (maybe that explains his name?)

so I no longer have any doubt whatsoever that he thought he was drinking medicine, and I really hope he shows better judgement in this fight.

actually though, judging from the way all the other fights have gone (the genin winning, but ending up nearly dead), he's probably going to be massively stupid and barely make it out alive.

man, the only fight I really liked so far was kiba's since he actually ran away

well, shikamaru's a freaking badass now, but kiba actually did something intelligent instead of fighting until he couldn't stand up anymore.

and on yet another note, is anyone else starting to get confused between the anime and the manga at this point? chasing people you have no realistic chance of beating through the forest seems to have become sort of a staple for this series' climactic fights

ChouOishii · 2004-03-26, 23:09

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Originally Posted by OhJustSomeRandomGuy

That's precisely why you're supposed to start reading this as comedy. Lee doesn't know drunken boxing. Guy said he got drunk once, and destroyed a building. It's just what happens to Lee when he gets drunk. Lee doesn't think he's fighting in his most powerful stance...he just thinks he's fighting.

I think the reason people are upset about lee's return being comical is that last time we saw him fight, it was very serious and dramatic, and his character has been slowly getting darker and darker the whole time, watching his rivals surpass him and leave him behind in bed - and now he's finally back in fighting condition and it's like all the character development that should have gone on behind the scenes doesn't matter.

personally, I'm enjoying his comeback, but I think I'd have enjoyed it more if he was a little more serious/pissed off and less like his old self. oh well, we'll just have to wait and see where the story goes from here ^_^

That Other Ninja · 2004-03-27, 00:01

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Originally Posted by ChouOishii

I think the reason people are upset about lee's return being comical is that last time we saw him fight, it was very serious and dramatic, and his character has been slowly getting darker and darker the whole time, watching his rivals surpass him and leave him behind in bed - and now he's finally back in fighting condition and it's like all the character development that should have gone on behind the scenes doesn't matter.

personally, I'm enjoying his comeback, but I think I'd have enjoyed it more if he was a little more serious/pissed off and less like his old self. oh well, we'll just have to wait and see where the story goes from here ^_^

Hey i'm not upset with his return being comical. Aside from Naruto there isn't anyone else who fights comically, so I welcome it.

Hanabishi_Recca · 2004-03-27, 01:19

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Originally Posted by Akamaru

Here goes... 酒瓶, yeah that's it.

Yeah thats, bottled alcohol...

Hanabishi_Recca · 2004-03-27, 01:22

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Originally Posted by aahhsin

I took a look at the cover, Ino's on the front.

Sakura > Hinata > Ino

Safe to say Ten Ten's next?

A girl for each team whose team is left? Neji's and Lee

Next story arc: The girls recovery mission!
Outcome: Slaughtered.

ChouOishii · 2004-03-27, 01:25

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Originally Posted by Hanabishi_Recca

Yeah thats, bottled alcohol...

ok, that makes much more sense ^_^ so lee basically chugged a bottle of disinfectant... but now here's another question... isn't 'bottled alcohol' that's used for cleaning wounds and whatnot typically pure enough to seriously poison you if you drink it? and lee did look like he was taking a big swig...

*sigh*

Hanabishi_Recca · 2004-03-27, 01:33

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Originally Posted by ChouOishii

ok, that makes much more sense ^_^ so lee basically chugged a bottle of disinfectant... but now here's another question... isn't 'bottled alcohol' that's used for cleaning wounds and whatnot typically pure enough to seriously poison you if you drink it? and lee did look like he was taking a big swig...

*sigh*

Not with the Kanji that's used. It kind of implies that it's more like liquor. Think about when Tsunade drugged Jiraiya, she used an herbal powder. Not a syringe, or a tranquilizer dart. Boozing up a patient is probably more along those lines. And no, you can pour straight whiskey(or another high alcohol content liquid) over a wound to help disinfect it. It's like saying "Well why not use water?" "What if you don't have any water? Or what if its muddy? Liquor is probably safer than something like morphine especially in untrained hands. It's primative but then agian you could use hot tar...

OhJustSomeRandomGuy · 2004-03-27, 01:46

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Originally Posted by Hanabishi_Recca

Not with the Kanji that's used. It kind of implies that it's more like liquor. Think about when Tsunade drugged Jiraiya, she used an herbal powder. Not a syringe, or a tranquilizer dart. Boozing up a patient is probably more along those lines. And no, you can pour straight whiskey(or another high alcohol content liquid) over a wound to help disinfect it. It's like saying "Well why not use water?" "What if you don't have any water? Or what if its muddy? Liquor is probably safer than something like morphine especially in untrained hands. It's primative but then agian you could use hot tar...

Like I said before, shochu was used in the Meiji Era as disinfectant. (There are rare "vintages" still around that date back to the 1800's) Now they use it in Japan to mix cocktails.

Dragon Flame · 2004-03-27, 02:11

all these pplt hat jump to conclusions, lee isnt a master of drunken style, hes jsut a very forceful drunk, who likes to fight when drunk, much like the irish, so shut up and enjoy the ride, its gonna be a cool couple of chapters, besides, everyone else seems to have a trump card or two, kaiten - 64 hands, chidori - curse seal - sharingan, kyuubi - rasengan, pills, shadow neck bind, big two headed wolf thingy, this is lees second trump card, next to gates, dont complain, that bitch sasuke has 4 trump cards now, no one is whining about him

wb_hicks · 2004-03-27, 02:31

well since my old name no longer works id had to make anew one even tho i havent posted in a good minute but seeing the raw and reading the thread i have to say i really enjoyed this chapter. it shows that they have been traveling for a good while since the operation was done and over with. the 5th is still slobby on the job and not only does she have a run away genin now she got a drunken one too. i dont see why so many dont like the fact that lee is doing a different fighting style. gai did say he is a taijutsu specialist, so nothing more then his favor style doesnt seem to surpise me. but if you ever seen a little kid get wasted by mistake it is a funny site and in lee's case from what i read in the forum he seems to love a good fight. i bet he gave gai a hard time that nite at the bar for gai to be seriously troubled by it.

OhJustSomeRandomGuy · 2004-03-27, 02:49

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Originally Posted by Dragon Flame

all these pplt hat jump to conclusions, lee isnt a master of drunken style, hes jsut a very forceful drunk, who likes to fight when drunk, much like the irish, so shut up and enjoy the ride, its gonna be a cool couple of chapters, besides, everyone else seems to have a trump card or two, kaiten - 64 hands, chidori - curse seal - sharingan, kyuubi - rasengan, pills, shadow neck bind, big two headed wolf thingy, this is lees second trump card, next to gates, dont complain, that bitch sasuke has 4 trump cards now, no one is whining about him

Um, Lee has 4, not 2.

Drunken Boxing
Omote Renge
Opening Gates
Ura Renge

SephirCloud · 2004-03-27, 03:04

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Originally Posted by OhJustSomeRandomGuy

Um, Lee has 4, not 2.

Drunken Boxing
Omote Renge
Opening Gates
Ura Renge

Saying Opening Gates and Omote Renge/Ura Renge are seperate trump cards...

... is like saying Jyuuken and Kaiten/64 Hands are 3 different things, when they're not. Kaiten/64 Hands specific aspects of Jyuuken, just like Omote Renge and Ura Renge are the result of being able to open the gates.

soo... Lee has 2 if you count Opening Gates, 3 if you don't and count Omote and Ura seperately.

Plus, if you counted your way, Chouji would own everybody by being able to eat the pills, then having 3 pills to eat, and also having a bunch of different jutsus as a result of those pills, for a total of like... 7 trump cards.

OhJustSomeRandomGuy · 2004-03-27, 03:16

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Originally Posted by SephirCloud

Saying Opening Gates and Omote Renge/Ura Renge are seperate trump cards...

...is counting the same way he's counting Sasuke's Trumps.

Sharingan
Chidori
Level 1 Curse
Level 2 Curse

However, in Lee's case, the Omote Renge, Ura Renge, and Drunken Boxing are introduced as trumps. Opening the gates is not.

Sasuke's Level 1 and 2 haven't been either, though.

BTW, Choji doesn't get any new jutsus out of the pills. They're the old jutsus, just using more chakra. Normally he becomes a house sized ball. Instead he becomes a high rise office building sized ball.

Lee's two Lotus moves are distinctly different moves.

SephirCloud · 2004-03-27, 03:34

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Originally Posted by OhJustSomeRandomGuy

...is counting the same way he's counting Sasuke's Trumps.

Sharingan
Chidori
Level 1 Curse
Level 2 Curse

However, in Lee's case, the Omote Renge, Ura Renge, and Drunken Boxing are introduced as trumps. Opening the gates is not.

Sasuke's Level 1 and 2 haven't been either, though.

BTW, Choji doesn't get any new jutsus out of the pills. They're the old jutsus, just using more chakra. Normally he becomes a house sized ball. Instead he becomes a high rise office building sized ball.

Lee's two Lotus moves are distinctly different moves.

That's pretty much what I said for Lee... the opening the gates isn't a trump card on its own, but you counted it as one. Either way, it'd still be at most 3 trump cards for Lee, as opposed to the 4 you listed earlier.

And even though Choji's jutsu's aren't exactly new, the Taijutsu (as in the actual techniques, not just the general boost in speed/power) Lee uses in Omote and Ura Renge aren't really either, except that he normally lacks the speed or whatever to do them (The same way Chouji lacks the chakra to do his huge Baika no jutsu normally)... but yeah, that's just minor details, I get what you're saying for that.

OhJustSomeRandomGuy · 2004-03-27, 03:59

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Originally Posted by SephirCloud

That's pretty much what I said for Lee... the opening the gates isn't a trump card on its own, but you counted it as one. Either way, it'd still be at most 3 trump cards for Lee, as opposed to the 4 you listed earlier.

And even though Choji's jutsu's aren't exactly new, the Taijutsu (as in the actual techniques, not just the general boost in speed/power) Lee uses in Omote and Ura Renge aren't really either, except that he normally lacks the speed or whatever to do them (The same way Chouji lacks the chakra to do his huge Baika no jutsu normally)... but yeah, that's just minor details, I get what you're saying for that.

Yeah, I'm just saying that if Sasuke has 4, Lee has 4. And if Lee has 3, then Sasuke has 3. It's not like there's this huge technique disparity between the two where Sasuke has twice as many as Lee like Flame was saying.

realdeal · 2004-03-27, 07:08

I hate people who whine about spelling in message boards, theres no rules about spelling and this isnt an English essay exam. Just to let you know I got a double BB on English GCSE so my english spelling cant be too bad. I come here to talk, talk to morons, educated people, assholes, nice guys, 10yr olds, 30yr olds etc, I didnt come here to talk to priminister or the damm queen so go suck on something with your bullocks spelling remarks..and sorry to mods for this flame, but if someone tries to pick dirt with me I just basically aim to give them shite.

BTW ppl forgot taking weights off as one of Lee's trump card. And oh yea, Im a bruce lee fan, I dont like jackie chans comdic style, drunken master 1 & 2 is really crappy..

That Other Ninja · 2004-03-27, 07:48

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Originally Posted by realdeal

I hate people who whine about spelling in message boards, theres no rules about spelling and this isnt an English essay exam. Just to let you know I got a double BB on English GCSE so my english spelling cant be too bad. I come here to talk, talk to morons, educated people, assholes, nice guys, 10yr olds, 30yr olds etc, I didnt come here to talk to priminister or the damm queen so go suck on something with your bullocks spelling remarks..and sorry to mods for this flame, but if someone tries to pick dirt with me I just basically aim to give them shite.

BTW ppl forgot taking weights off as one of Lee's trump card. And oh yea, Im a bruce lee fan, I dont like jackie chans comdic style, drunken master 1 & 2 is really crappy..

Good for you?

Hanabishi_Recca · 2004-03-27, 10:33

As far as these last ditch efforts that kill you. Which quite a few people seem to dislike, lemme just take a sec to explain why they are there. The ninja battles are supposed to be strategical, even Naruto uses a little strategy from time to time. But remember Ninjas are tools, they are fully willing to die to complete the mission. Because of this they are also completely willing to develop and use techniques to give them a much greater advantage on the battle field, with out the worry of fear of death. These techniques probably wouldn't be used by standard Martial Artists because they would be more interested in winning the fight.

Personally I like the idea that they can attain large amounts of power only by sacrificing their lives. It pulls away from more traditional anime that sets up scenarios like "Oh no Yusuke is completely out of energy now he'll die. No wait he still has more energy left! He won but he is out energy now. Wait he's fighting another opponent now..." That gets really old. It's often reffered to as the Professional Wrestling scenario. Characters with no weaknesses and limits are boring.

2004-03-27, 02:11	Link #131
Dragon Flame Wet Kimimaro Love Join Date: May 2003 Location: New York Age: 38	all these pplt hat jump to conclusions, lee isnt a master of drunken style, hes jsut a very forceful drunk, who likes to fight when drunk, much like the irish, so shut up and enjoy the ride, its gonna be a cool couple of chapters, besides, everyone else seems to have a trump card or two, kaiten - 64 hands, chidori - curse seal - sharingan, kyuubi - rasengan, pills, shadow neck bind, big two headed wolf thingy, this is lees second trump card, next to gates, dont complain, that bitch sasuke has 4 trump cards now, no one is whining about him __________________

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Hanabishi_Recca Parrothead Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: An island between somewhere and nowhere Age: 42	Trump Cards As far as these last ditch efforts that kill you. Which quite a few people seem to dislike, lemme just take a sec to explain why they are there. The ninja battles are supposed to be strategical, even Naruto uses a little strategy from time to time. But remember Ninjas are tools, they are fully willing to die to complete the mission. Because of this they are also completely willing to develop and use techniques to give them a much greater advantage on the battle field, with out the worry of fear of death. These techniques probably wouldn't be used by standard Martial Artists because they would be more interested in winning the fight. Personally I like the idea that they can attain large amounts of power only by sacrificing their lives. It pulls away from more traditional anime that sets up scenarios like "Oh no Yusuke is completely out of energy now he'll die. No wait he still has more energy left! He won but he is out energy now. Wait he's fighting another opponent now..." That gets really old. It's often reffered to as the Professional Wrestling scenario. Characters with no weaknesses and limits are boring.

2004-03-26, 23:05	Link #123
ChouOishii Member Join Date: Dec 2003	man, I just watch the lee/gaara fight again, and MAN is he stupid >< all he needed to do was keep chipping away at gaara's defenses until the panda dude's chakra ran out, but what he does instead is use his most powerful moves as quickly as possible. maybe he doesn't understand how hard doing something like manipulating sand to act as body armor for an extended period of time is since he can't do that sort of thing himself? he's a good fighter, but god DAMN, the boy's got the intelligence of a mentally-challenged rock >< (maybe that explains his name?) so I no longer have any doubt whatsoever that he thought he was drinking medicine, and I really hope he shows better judgement in this fight. actually though, judging from the way all the other fights have gone (the genin winning, but ending up nearly dead), he's probably going to be massively stupid and barely make it out alive. man, the only fight I really liked so far was kiba's since he actually ran away well, shikamaru's a freaking badass now, but kiba actually did something intelligent instead of fighting until he couldn't stand up anymore. and on yet another note, is anyone else starting to get confused between the anime and the manga at this point? chasing people you have no realistic chance of beating through the forest seems to have become sort of a staple for this series' climactic fights

2004-03-27, 02:31	Link #132
wb_hicks Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004	well since my old name no longer works id had to make anew one even tho i havent posted in a good minute but seeing the raw and reading the thread i have to say i really enjoyed this chapter. it shows that they have been traveling for a good while since the operation was done and over with. the 5th is still slobby on the job and not only does she have a run away genin now she got a drunken one too. i dont see why so many dont like the fact that lee is doing a different fighting style. gai did say he is a taijutsu specialist, so nothing more then his favor style doesnt seem to surpise me. but if you ever seen a little kid get wasted by mistake it is a funny site and in lee's case from what i read in the forum he seems to love a good fight. i bet he gave gai a hard time that nite at the bar for gai to be seriously troubled by it.

2004-03-27, 07:08	Link #138
realdeal The Real Deal Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK	I hate people who whine about spelling in message boards, theres no rules about spelling and this isnt an English essay exam. Just to let you know I got a double BB on English GCSE so my english spelling cant be too bad. I come here to talk, talk to morons, educated people, assholes, nice guys, 10yr olds, 30yr olds etc, I didnt come here to talk to priminister or the damm queen so go suck on something with your bullocks spelling remarks..and sorry to mods for this flame, but if someone tries to pick dirt with me I just basically aim to give them shite. BTW ppl forgot taking weights off as one of Lee's trump card. And oh yea, Im a bruce lee fan, I dont like jackie chans comdic style, drunken master 1 & 2 is really crappy..