(L) Magi the labyrinth of magic [anime]

[garbage]

is it me or is this show starting to get weird ? or maybe ridiculous in its characterization, plot progression.
- anime only viewer here

seems also replies have dropped off considerably, I guess a lot of people have already bailed out.

[hawkeyesvn]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Spoiler for complaints:

Now that I'm almost caught up with the manga, I fully understand how bad Alibaba's characterization has been in the anime, with the latest episode being the biggest offense. Having him fall into depravity almost willingly (the curse sped up the process but he did curse his fate) is plain wrong. Even if they somehow manage to get back on track with the manga at the end, the damage has been done. Alibaba is now a different character.

I'm glad now you understand why manga readers couldn't take this anime seriously after what they'd done to Alibaba's character development. Making original end is not something unusual but they should have done it according to the character's development, not something completely out of place just because they felt that the character is too mature and logical for the series!

[Randrak42]

Originally Posted by garbage

is it me or is this show starting to get weird ? or maybe ridiculous in its characterization, plot progression.
- anime only viewer here

seems also replies have dropped off considerably, I guess a lot of people have already bailed out.

Like many have been saying, the anime straight-up did a character assassination on Alibaba's personality.
It's not just a matter of "The Anime has an original ending so he's different" or "The plot is changed to fit the anime style" it's pure and simply that they are making Alibaba out to be a character that he is not and to be honest it's actually a bit disgusting. Not to mention that Aladdin's role in the whole thing feels severely downplayed even though he is THE main character.
So it's reasonable that manga readers and anime-only viewers alike are bailing on it.

Having an original plot/ending in an anime adaptation is one thing...but changing a main character's personality completely like that is downright criminal.

[Dengar]

I won't fault the manga readers for hating on it. Had I read the manga, it's very likely I'd be in their camp, maybe not due to the rushing, I like it when the pacing is good, but diverging from the plot and making characters different from how they were in the original work, I can understand that.

I don't think the animators (or better put, the screenwriters) are "dumb" though. At worst, they either weren't properly informed, or felt the need to appeal to some kind of "common" interest. You know, like how in old RPG's there was a tendency to have spiky-haired angsty protagonists with dark and troubled pasts. I put the "common" inbetween quotes because reality shows that creators often do not know what it exactly is about a work that makes it sell. Stay safe, stick to the things you "know" will work, copy the successful cliches, and avoid being "different". Basically it's capitalism at its best. And we all love living in a capitalist world, don't we?


Of course, that's just me theorizing about it. Either way, it's impossible for the changes to be made "for no particular reason".

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by Dengar

I won't fault the manga readers for hating on it. Had I read the manga, it's very likely I'd be in their camp, maybe not due to the rushing, I like it when the pacing is good, but diverging from the plot and making characters different from how they were in the original work, I can understand that.

I don't think the animators (or better put, the screenwriters) are "dumb" though. At worst, they either weren't properly informed, or felt the need to appeal to some kind of "common" interest. You know, like how in old RPG's there was a tendency to have spiky-haired angsty protagonists with dark and troubled pasts. I put the "common" inbetween quotes because reality shows that creators often do not know what it exactly is about a work that makes it sell. Stay safe, stick to the things you "know" will work, copy the successful cliches, and avoid being "different". Basically it's capitalism at its best. And we all love living in a capitalist world, don't we?


Of course, that's just me theorizing about it. Either way, it's impossible for the changes to be made "for no particular reason".

Thing about that is Alibaba's past is dark and troubled, but he moves on. He learns from his mistakes and becomes stronger for it. This just made him weak. If they wanted more dark and troubled Alibaba then they shouldn't have rushed the series, because that was Alibaba in the Baldad arc.

[DmonHiro]

GodDAMN it... they totally ruined Alibaba. Man, what happened to "his Ruhk is so pure"?
What happened to him fighting back on the curse? What happened with him learning from Kasshim?

[Dark Faith]

Can't really say much else that hasn't been said before... Alibaba just feels too out-of-character for me to take his "fall" seriously.
And if I hear him saying "Kassim!" one more time, I'm gonna flip tables.

Good grief.. what a way to ruin a perfectly good show.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by wisteria233

Thing about that is Alibaba's past is dark and troubled, but he moves on. He learns from his mistakes and becomes stronger for it. This just made him weak. If they wanted more dark and troubled Alibaba then they shouldn't have rushed the series, because that was Alibaba in the Baldad arc.

That doesn't really contest my point. I didn't say "character with a troubled past", I said "spiky-haired angsty character with a troubled past". Ok, so Alibaba isn't really spiky-haired, but this anime version of him seems to completely adhere to the "angsty" part (I know this goes against what I said a couple weeks ago, but I'm allowed to change my opinion right?).

Of course I can only theorize, but at the very least I believe that the screenwriters did have a reason for doing this, a reason that is born from capitalism, most likely.

That doesn't mean you're not allowed to hate that decision, of course you are.

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by Dengar

That doesn't really contest my point. I didn't say "character with a troubled past", I said "spiky-haired angsty character with a troubled past". Ok, so Alibaba isn't really spiky-haired, but this anime version of him seems to completely adhere to the "angsty" part (I know this goes against what I said a couple weeks ago, but I'm allowed to change my opinion right?).

Of course I can only theorize, but at the very least I believe that the screenwriters did have a reason for doing this, a reason that is born from capitalism, most likely.

That doesn't mean you're not allowed to hate that decision, of course you are.

Actually it still doesn't make sense because Alibaba was angsty during the Baldad arc, until he grew up and realized that sitting around mopping and feeling sorry for yourself doesn't solve anything.

So again if they really wanted that type of Alibaba they should have slowed down. Besides after that Baldad arc Hakuryuu's character filled the role of the angst muffin.

So yeah if they handled it properly they could have gotten their angst character.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by wisteria233

Actually it still doesn't make sense because Alibaba was angsty during the Baldad arc, until he grew up and realized that sitting around mopping and feeling sorry for yourself doesn't solve anything.

So again if they really wanted that type of Alibaba they should have slowed down. Besides after that Baldad arc Hakuryuu's character filled the role of the angst muffin.

So yeah if they handled it properly they could have gotten their angst character.

Note that this isn't MY logic:

If you want to make lots of money really quickly, you have no time to be thinking about stuff like that. You also can't take risks by focusing on needless things like "character development" and such. Consistent characters are much better.

Again, not MY logic.

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Note that this isn't MY logic:

If you want to make lots of money really quickly, you have no time to be thinking about stuff like that. You also can't take risks by focusing on needless things like "character development" and such. Consistent characters are much better.

Again, not MY logic.

Oh I understand, and I do believe that was their logic, but it still doesn't make sense.

[chaos_animagic]

Poor Magi... got butchered so badly (the cutted story line, animation cutboards, character personality changes....)

For this, I'll rate Magi anime a 4/10 (just because I still enjoy the manga, otherwise it'll be 2/10)

All I been doing now is watching the anime in KMplayer and skipping it by 5 sec just to "skim" though the anime... no real point in watching it fully, LOL.

BTW, Magi anime ends at episode 25 right? so next episode is last?
(doubt there'll be any more seasons afterward tho...)

[Westlo]

Magi season 2 according to duckroll this fall lol

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...5#post52129755

[aohige]

The CM after the episode revealed Adventures of Sindbad officially becoming a serialization starting in May, in Weekly Shounen Sunday!

[mistress_kisara]

Originally Posted by Westlo

Magi season 2 according to duckroll this fall lol

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...5#post52129755

Is this true? Why did they need to butcher Alibaba's character if they were going to have a 2nd season in the first place?

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by mistress_kisara

Is this true? Why did they need to butcher Alibaba's character if they were going to have a 2nd season in the first place?

Butcher? Yoshino probably thought he was improving him!

[Dr. Casey]

Originally Posted by Westlo

Magi season 2 according to duckroll this fall lol

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...5#post52129755

more liek fuck yeah

It might be a poor adaptation that completely went off the rails towards the end, but I've no doubt enjoyed the anime. Glad there's going to be a season two; hopefully some of the backlash against the first season will convince them to be more faithful to the manga this time around.

[Kakkou]

Originally Posted by Kakkou

Based on this week's ep, the summary for the final ep and the manga, I'll be making my own predictions of how the finale will play out:

Spoiler for Episode 25 predictions based on anime and manga knowledge. Spoilers abound.:

• Dark Alibaba will attack Aladdin & Hakuryu while Aladdin calls out to him, etc.
• At some point Morgiana will intervene and break the eye thing on Evilbaba's head like in the episode summary. This is possible because the anime's been hinting that Hakuryu already obtained Zagan and Mor's being healed in the treasure room.
• Aladdin will use Solomon's Wisdom on Evilbaba. Solomon knows what sort of talk the staff will have them do and Aladdin will face off against Isnan.
• Quite possibly their confrontation will be somewhat similar to the manga and we'll get the flashbacks from Aladdin. Isnan will either be properly defeated here or he will escape. The hint about Alibaba's rukh might be shown.
• Hopefully Dunya isn't dead and will get her redemption. Zagan may or may not be used to save her life.
• On the Sindria side, Yamraiha's fight will play out as a super condensed version just like Sharrkan and Masrur's.
• Kougyoku will use her djinn equip to stop the flesh eating evil mist thing of doom from advancing. Solomon knows how they'll kill that thing.
• Assuming Isnan isn't defeated by Aladdin, his scene with Sinbad will play out the same as the manga. Sinbad might kill that evil mist thing too.
• The rest of the generals drive off the remaining cannon fodder. Al Thamen does their best "Someday, Gadget! SOMEDAY!! *shakes fist*" impression.
• It will end with the anime's own version of the second maharagan.
• Worst case scenario: It will end with everyone sailing off. Lots of material outright skipped.
• Absolute worst scenario: None of the above happens and we get Claymore'd. ahaha.wav

Oh hey, I guessed most of the finale's events correctly. lololololol

So yeah, it ended nearly exactly as I predicted save for no second maharagan after Zagan. This anime original arc is actually not bad, but the key to enjoying it requires ignoring Alibaba's character development. Yeah... Yoshino could've done this arc without fucking up Alibaba's character. Didn't he have enough suffering emo Kaji character from GC? That, and not knowing how the battles in the manga plays out. In short, sucks to be a fan of the manga.

Besides that, the production values are really disappointing. I prob wouldn't have minded it that much a few years ago but now... Plus this meant to be Shogakukan's anniversary celebration title right? Where did the budget go or is A-1 just that bad at scheduling? Sakuga porn moments were so few for a title that just begs to be given beautiful action. =(

I'll admit that I did enjoy this 25 episodes despite everything. It's just... not the anime that Magi truly deserves. Can they please put Yoshino in charge of some shallow tit-fest and get someone else to handle the sequel?

[Hiroshi Amearai]

I can't wait to see her animated

Spoiler:

But at the same time, I'm affraid that they will ruin her image...

Spoiler:

[mistress_kisara]

Originally Posted by Kakkou

I'll admit that I did enjoy this 25 episodes despite everything. It's just... not the anime that Magi truly deserves. Can they please put Yoshino in charge of some shallow tit-fest and get someone else to handle the sequel?

Yeah! GTFO Yoshino!!