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Perfect 10 | 24 | 39.34% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 23 | 37.70% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 8 | 13.11% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 4 | 6.56% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.64% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.64% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-03-08, 19:34 | Link #101 | |
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I'm not saying you're a proponent for chaos and people getting away with murder and rape, am I? Because I don't make dumbass assumptions about people. |
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2013-03-08, 19:37 | Link #102 | ||
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But Akane can't see him like that. So, what will she do? At the very least I think she will manage to screw Sybil one way or another.
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2013-03-08, 19:37 | Link #103 | |
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You don't need to convince people there are 250 brains in jars. You just need to remove them without telling anyone. Because the population didn't know they exist, they can't miss what they never knew about. Population support is also unnecessary. Sybil had designed the country to be automated in order to shield itself from being exposed to the public. This means there is a massive firewall separating the government from the citizens. Government functions are automated when possible, so there are less people who can spill the beans. Is irt going to be an issue to fight Sybil when Sybil has all the weapons? Yes. But that's not an insurmountable issue, because Sybil is not designed to oppose real threats. Sybil is weaker than it appears.
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2013-03-08, 19:56 | Link #104 | |
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I think it is extremely messed up system, I just don't think Akane's ultimate answer will be destruction. I am not really sure why you think that is the only way to deal with the system.
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2013-03-08, 20:00 | Link #105 | |
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There are 101 ways Japan could be reformed. But if Sybil wants to go down fighting, then there are very few peaceful choices.
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2013-03-08, 20:05 | Link #110 |
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Why don't we let the brains inside people, when they're suppose to be, and let the people take decisions by themselves?
That sounds more like a plan to me. She could blackmail it. She already did with the Kogami thing. Maybe she could find a way to go further on that note.
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2013-03-08, 20:09 | Link #111 | |
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You can believe that if you want. But there is no benefit to Sybil in helping her. They are just unelected bureaucrats with absolute power. They don't step down without threatening violence in some form. And since Akane is out-gunned in the long run, she would have to shoot first instead of bargaining. Reform harms Sybil. Sybil will kill anyone who harms it. Thus Sybil will harm anyone who want reform. Simple logic.
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2013-03-08, 20:13 | Link #112 |
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If she can convince the system that certain changes are beneficial to the masses, it'll work.
I'm not saying it's easy. But if anyone can find a way it's her. If you think she can't do it without violence, then you don't have enough faith in her. |
2013-03-08, 20:19 | Link #113 | |
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And that's what Sybil has shown to do. There is no way for a person judged criminal by Sybil to be reformed. Either incarceration or death was the choices. Akane would be deemed a threat. And Sybil only react one way towards threats.
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2013-03-08, 20:23 | Link #114 |
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If Gen Urobuchi wants Akane to completely destroy the system then he could have Makishima for that, I am not really sure what he needs Akane for. And in fact there were plenty of opportunities in the narrative for that.
It's pretty clear to me that Akane is similar to Madoka in that she will come up with another solution.
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2013-03-08, 20:29 | Link #115 | |
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Akane's job is to push for a new system of government. Destruction of Sybil would be a side effect and not the goal. Sybil is NOT Japan. Akane wants what's best for her people, not what's best for Sybil.
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2013-03-08, 20:29 | Link #116 |
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Riiight, treatment isn't possible. And the rape victim didn't get treatment and rehabilitation. And drones and cute AI sprites don't warn people of their hues getting a bit greenish. And the Crime Coefficient didn't go down when the rape victim dropped her lighter.
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2013-03-08, 20:34 | Link #117 | |
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No point hiding behind the computer when the human brains change it to suit themselves.
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2013-03-08, 20:37 | Link #118 | |
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2013-03-08, 20:38 | Link #119 | |
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Whether you like to believe it or not Akane agreed with Sybil that there are some things about the system that work. That doesn't mean she thinks the Sybil system as it is now is a good system but that doesn't mean she has to completely destroy everything about it. Makishima's goal was to destroy Sybil and if Japan was destroyed in the process than that would be better than how it is now. His ultimate goal was not destruction of Japan, that was just a by product. But even ignoring Makishima we were already shown the answer of exposing the system. If that was the answer it would have happened in the narrative already.
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2013-03-08, 20:46 | Link #120 | |
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I am not making the case that Sybil needs to die because of justice. That's a separate issue. I am saying Sybil is the major obstacle to reform and that I can't see any way to not blow a hole right through it to proceed. Sybil has every reason to kill Akane if they feel they need to. Your insistence that Akane can solve everything peacefully assumes a reasonable Sybil, which does not exist.
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