2010-03-08, 11:16 | Link #6461 |
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Either no one has the ability to procure guns (including tools of the government and criminals who will stop at nothing to keep arming themselves regardless of the law), or everyone should. Since the former is impossible, the latter is the only option I accept.
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2010-03-08, 13:50 | Link #6462 | |
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Another Earthquake strikes again, but this time, outside the ring of fire which measured 6.0 magnitude. It seems to be a very active year for earthquakes thus far.
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2010-03-08, 14:11 | Link #6463 | |
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As far as being able to resist the US Armed Forces by stockpiling weapons, I don't believe it can be done. David Koresh tried, and just look at what that dangerous fantasy did for him. Those who argue that they are 'ensuring against tyranny', or whatever might be well-intentioned, but I do not think their plan will work if it ever gets put to the test.
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2010-03-08, 14:27 | Link #6464 | |
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2010-03-08, 15:46 | Link #6465 |
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Yes, Japan has fewer firearms in the hands of police officers. Japan simply has less crime. The argument that their lack of firearms contributes to that might hold some water if there weren't other nearly gun-free areas that have frighteningly high violent crime rates... But there are. You are mixing your arguments talking about "warrior class". We were discussing self-defense. "Warrior class" doesn't enter into it. Quote:
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2. As I said, I don't know of any studies documenting it accurately, but to dismiss it out of hand is to imply that the rates of criminal gun ownership compares in any significant way to such a large portion of the US population. A quarter of the US population owns firearms. Almost an eighth of the population owns them primarily for self-defense. Are you really suggesting that, even without hard numbers, that criminal gun ownership rivals an eighth of the population? Quote:
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In the US, the active military makes up 0.5% of the population. Yet with a much larger ratio of soliders to the general population, the US had severe troubles maintaining some semblance of control in Iraq when they were opposed by a small number of poorly trained opposers. An armed populace is a good deterrent, even against the US military.
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2010-03-08, 18:21 | Link #6467 |
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Given my personal experience, I'd say criminality is way more linked to the cultural and social context than widespread gun ownership.
In this regard my country would be a prime example, with extremely high gun ownership (virtually every male Swiss citizen is given a military grade weapon by his 20's, and sometimes even as early as 16), but also low crime and murder rates (I would even rate Switzerland much lower on the scale, as statistics are most likely inflated by the Euthanasia tourism). More so, in Switzerland, the gun and militia culture makes it that gun ownership is much more widespread over the whole population (25-30% would be a minimum estimate, as virtually all male adult citizen are concerned). Yet legally held guns involved in murders are confined to suicides and family dramas.
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2010-03-08, 23:04 | Link #6468 | |
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2010-03-09, 02:15 | Link #6469 | |
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Stopping gun ownership isn't going to stop crime and neither will arming every law-abiding citizen. If you want to stop crime, stop the culture that creates criminals.
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2010-03-09, 02:58 | Link #6470 | |
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Further, it wouldn't matter at that point whether they ever owned guns before. Most of the actual effective weaponry such a hypothetical insurgency would use would be smuggled in by international arms dealers backed by foreign nations that don't like the new US government now with 450% more oppression if such a thing happened. Except for civilian versions of assault rifles and some high powered hunting rifles that could be used by snipers, most currently legal weapons aren't exactly useful on a battlefield. They'd need RPGs, shoulder fired surface to air missiles, stuff like that which are already illegal. Even most of the assault rifles and sniper rifles would be smuggled in. Of course they could make their own explosives. Oklahoma City showed what a fertilizer bomb could do.
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2010-03-09, 03:21 | Link #6471 | |
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I'm also curious as to whether you have much trouble with drunken idiots doing stupid things with their weapons. We actually discussed personal anecdotes concerning guns in one of my political science classes, and aside from the prof who had been robbed in South Africa, the only story we had was from one guy who had a drunk with a rifle stop him while he was driving home at 1AM and ask him if he was the one who drove on his lawn because his car was the same colour as the one that did that.
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2010-03-09, 08:07 | Link #6472 | |
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Though there's also the cautioning thought in my mind right now that yes, some restriction is obviously necessary for those known to misuse firearms, but at the same time we don't want restrictions/qualifications to gun ownership to be so numerous that the average person effectively cannot purchase a gun. No one's going to argue it wouldn't be a bloody mess, but hell if that'll stop me from trying to defend myself. |
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Peoples working in the security business and a few individuals do carry weapon on them, but of course they have to justify for it and have a formation. Otherwise, almost every male citizen in his 20's (and a fair part of those younger than 40) will carry their military weapon (unloaded) about 3 times a year: to go to the mandatory shooting practice, and to go to and come back from their yearly weeks of military training. The man pictured here is not out of the ordinary (except he's not totally abiding the rules, as the magazine shouldn't be in his weapon), as are all the young peoples in uniform you'll find in Swiss railway stations on Friday evening or Saturday morning. Maybe another thing to factor is that formation and security standards are very high when it concern guns, be it in the military or in the civilian society. Your practice is even more controlled than your driving licence would be (cars are way more deadly weapons BTW, and I'm much more frightened of holding a steering wheel than a loaded automatic weapon), as every year you go to monitored shooting practice, and every year you go to military training, where maneuvering under real fire is not uncommon (and even when you are practicing various firing modes and stances with your squad, I assure you that you look carefully where you are pointing your barrel, as well as your neighbor). Quote:
These past 10 years, (out of suicide and family dramas) I recall only of 3 significant tragedy, premeditated by deranged individuals (2 using service weapon) and one accident. First is the infamous spree killer who made a bloodshed in a regional parliament (didn't use service weapon, and given his mental health records, one can wonder how he was able to buy so many weapons). Second is an emotional guy who went on a killing spree in a porno theater in my hometown. Third is a deranged guy who went on sniping a random girl after finishing boot camp (had the army had access to judiciary records, he would never got in). The last accident involved a youth (about 16), who got killed at home after shooting practice due to an non unloaded bullet (I don't know whether he smuggled it out of the practice or the gun wasn't correctly controlled).
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2010-03-09, 17:42 | Link #6478 | |
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2010-03-10, 00:32 | Link #6480 | |
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The little company that thought it could has shown that it really can't. Metro Trains Melbourne, a joint venture whose majority is owned by successful rail operator MTR Corp, has seen just how hard it is to run a network without the resources they had in Hong Kong.
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